Talk:Kurmanji

Northern Kurmanji and Kurmanji

Although similar terms, Kurmanji and Northern Kurmanji can refer to two distinct levels of the Kurdish language. Northern Kurmanji more precisely and accurately refers to a distinct dialect spoken and understood by one group of speakers. Kurmanji in contrast is a general term used by linguists to describe a language and several dialects that may or may not have evolved from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.70.250.61 (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I believe that is a terrible source to use. The AINA is very anti-Kurdish in its stance, and I don't really think they are a reputable source in determining Kurdish linguistics. --MercZ (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to remove the edit as it seems it keeps being added back in, but I re-iterate the AINA isn't the best source to classify Kurdish language. For one thing, the article deals with the elections and only mentions the topic for purely political reasons, not educational. The rest of AINA seems to focus purely on Kurds did this, they did that, see how evil Kurds are?

--MercZ (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

"MAGI THEORY"

I have never heard something like this in the kurmanji dialect, that they put "n" before "j". Personally all kurds i know never say "tanj" they say "taj"

And in kurdish, when someone is descriebed as being non-religous/non-muslim they refer to them as "Macûs". This is the true form of "magi", not "manj", which means that the "Magi theory" above doesn't fit in at all because there is already a word for "Magi". example: "Ewê ha macûsî ye" English translation = "That guy over there is macusî". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.53.0 (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a uspporter of the view that Maj/manj is related to Magi, but I'd like to point out following issues.

In Kurdish a vague 'n' is sometimes placed before 'j' is some/many dialects. An example for this is the word 'taj' which is even rendered as 'tanj' (see here for example: [2])

Other examples include: Moj> Monj, Amaj > Amanj, Per. Balesh > Ku. Balinj etc.

In Kurdish when someone is described as being non-religous/non-muslim they refer to him as Gawir. The word 'Majus' you mentioned above (although of Iranic origin) is Quranic.

Over all the article still needs some edit. Sharishirin (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Copy-editing

This article was listed as requiring copy-editing. However, the introduction contains no in-line citations, so I am requesting these beforehand. Bladeofgrass (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Two districs of Erbil are Kurmanji speakers

The author forgot to mention that two districts in Erbil, Iraqi-Kurdistan, are predominately Kurmanji speakers. Mergasur and Soran. It is ironic that the predominate speaker of Soran are Kurmanji speakers as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.19.82 (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Alternate spellings

In the first sentence: Variant spellings are not automatically misspellings, especially in another language (English). --Thnidu (talk) 00:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Southwestern?

In Dialects is said: "Southwestern Kurmanji, spoken mainly in the Ağrı (Agirî), Erzurum (Erzerom) and Muş (Mûş) provinces of Turkey, as well as adjacent areas". But those places are in the northern side. Thus, Northern Kurmanji?--158.227.73.176 (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Good catch, yes. I had mixed those up somehow. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 23:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved. There is also a current move proposal at Talk:Southern Kurdish dialects#Requested move 15 June 2015. If that proposal is also adopted then we will be left with Northern Kurdish, Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish which has a certain appeal due to consistency. EdJohnston (talk) 15:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Kurmanji Kurdish → Northern Kurdish – Name of the wikipedia article should be Northern Kurdish and not Kurmanji Kurdish so that it matches Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish wikipedia pages Relisted. —  AjaxSmack  21:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC); —  Tayşeyî  19:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Taysheyi can you perhaps suggest a modification to the title? Northern Kurdish what?

Kurmanji Kurdish is another example the use of "coordinate adjectives". Thanks. GregKaye 08:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

My support below is for "Northern Kurdish dialects" per WP:CONSISTENCY and WP:PRECISE. Khestwol (talk) 05:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggest

• Kurmanji Kurdish → Northern Kurdish dialects
• Central Kurdish → Central Kurdish dialects
• Southern Kurdish → Southern Kurdish dialects
• See: Category:Dialects by language.
• See: http://www.kurdishacademy.org/node/42 entitled "Northern Kurdish dialects group"

GregKaye 08:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Greg. The Kurdish language is divided into three dialect groups according to Kurdish Academy of Language. Northern Kurdish dialects, Central Kurdish dialects and Southern Kurdish dialects. —  Tayşeyî  09:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Taysheyi, I also agree with the title "Northern Kurdish dialects". Khestwol (talk) 08:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose without further evidence of common usage. "Kurmanji" appears more common in sources.[3][4] —  AjaxSmack  01:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

If that is the case AjaxSmack, then simply "Kurmanji" would be a better name. "Kurmanji" appears more common, not "Kurmanji Kurdish". —  Tayşeyî  14:25, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with just "Kurmanji". —  AjaxSmack  01:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Comment, AjaxSmack "Kurmaji" is also commonly used to refer to the northern Kurdish people. This article is about the speech not the people and its title needs precision to indicate that. Khestwol (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Strong Support move per WP:NCL and to clarify that it is about the northern variety of Kurdish, just as Central Kurdish dialects is about the central variety and Southern Kurdish dialects is about the southern variety. Though "Northern Kurdish" can refer to both the people and the dialects, so it is a bit ambiguous. I suggest a move to "Northern Kurdish dialects", per WP:PRECISION. Khestwol (talk) 08:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Khestwol. A move to "Northern Kurdish dialects" per WP:PRECISION is more accurate than simply "Northern Kurdish". —  Tayşeyî  13:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Still no sources? —  AjaxSmack  01:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

AjaxSmack, WP:CONSISTENCY is enough to support move to "Northern Kurdish dialects". Per consistency with Central Kurdish dialects and Southern Kurdish dialects. Also per Google Ngram, "northern Kurdish" is far more common than "Kurmanji Kurdish". The current title is imprecise and unencyclopedic. How can one tell from the title that this article is not about the Kurmanji Kurdish people? Khestwol (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, as I've said here already, most such articles have the format without "language" or "dialect(s)" ("Middle Chakavian, Wu Chinese, Mandarin Chinese, Moroccan Arabic, Alemannic German and many more"). And WP:Naming conventions (languages) says that "varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language", which is a useful, neutral format when some people claim a variety is a dialect of some language and others claim it is a separate language, avoiding the issue entirely. Some of the examples I've given are dialects and others are really separate languages, but which are also referred to as dialects to varying degrees.

And as you've already been told, "Kurdish" by itself cannot (without a modifier like "people" following) refer to the people without the listener thinking you've accidentally omitted a word, which means that "Southern Kurdish" by itself can also not refer to people. --JorisvS (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Still imprecise. A title needs to have enough detail to distinguish its topic per WP:PRECISE. "Northern Kurdish" what are you suggesting to move this article to? It can be "Northern Kurdish" anything. Not mentioning anything means your suggestions are clearly violating WP:PRECISE. Khestwol (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

You're wrong. By itself "Northern Kurdish" cannot refer to anything but the language. Only when combined with another word can it be used to refer to other things, such as the people. --JorisvS (talk) 09:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support Personally, I'd like to see either "Northern Kurdish" or "Kurmanji". I don't care which, though CONSISTENCY would favor the first. The word "dialects" will likely be removed from Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, so CONSISTENCY not a good argument for the alt proposal. Per our naming conventions, dialect Y of language X is usually simply titled "Y X", without "language" or "dialect" (or "dialects") appended. That actually prevents a lot of headaches over whether a variety is a distinct language or not. (We have "dialects" in the plural for the other two articles because of exactly this kind of dispute.) We don't need to indicate the language rather than the people, as we have a single article on the people and the lead of the article makes it clear we're talking about the language. — kwami (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Same as above. --JorisvS (talk) 09:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
• Procedural note. I closed this RM as no consensus, but after being contacted on my talk page I decided to undo my close and leave it for another admin to decide one. This note should not prejudice their decision, it's just in the interests of clarity. Jenks24 (talk) 10:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: As per WP:NCL: Varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language, as at Standard German and African American Vernacular English. This is useful when there is disagreement as to whether a variety is an accent or a dialect, as at Estuary English, or a dialect or a separate language, as at Egyptian Arabic and Mandarin Chinese, or whether it constitutes a single dialect or several, as at Southern American English. So per this policy, it is not necessary to add "dialects" with the title, I have modified my !vote above to Strong Support move to "Northern Kurdish". There is also a separate move request open at Southern Kurdish dialects' talk page. If that also results in a move, then we will achieve total WP:CONSISTENCY between titles for the 3 Kurdish varieties ("Southern Kurdish", "Central Kurdish", and "Northern Kurdish"). Khestwol (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Northern Kurdish!!!, it`s a fake phrase

Dear users From a historical and realistic point of view, the term "Northern Kurdish" instead of Kurmanji Kurdish seems strange and by fake. I think Wikipedia space is not an area to manipulate the historically and globally accepted subjects. --Shadegan (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 5 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure)  samee  converse  19:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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Northern Kurdish → Kurmanji – It is better to moving the page to Kurmanji because the original name of the language is Kurmanji. According to western linguists there are three different Kurdish languages and not an united „Kurdish“ for all Kurds. „Northern Kurdish“ is a term used by western linguists and Kurmanji is the original term used by the native speakers. Kurds generally claim that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect but the Yazidis who also speak Kurmanji called their language Ezdiki (the Yazidi language). Kaiduo (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support, but prefer Kurmancî since the language now is increasing used in Latin script it is increasingly called Kurmancî in scholarly sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Kurmanji is the autonym of the language and then comes other names like „Northern Kurdish“ or „Ezdiki“. Kurmanji or Kurmancî means the same. Also Kurdish Wikipedia use Kurmancî and not „Northern Kurdish“ or something else.—Kaiduo (talk) 13:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

From recent GBook results it appears that Kurmancî is now increasingly the English name. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:06, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Kurmancî is the name of the language in his own language. The english name of the language is Kurmanji. Howsoever i prefer both more than „Northern Kurdish“.—Kaiduo (talk) 15:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, apparently "Kurmanji" is rarely used in English language sources, so most English-speakers will not understand the proposed name. "Kurdish" is by far more common, and we add "Northern" to disambiguate the dialect (as opposed to Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish). Khestwol (talk) 15:38, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems like a fake language called „Northern Kurdish“. There are three languages with different pronunciation, vocabulary and grammar, spoken by the Kurds but no an united "Kurdish" language for all Kurds. Kurmancî is already a disambiguation page in enwiki and there is also a page called Kurmancî (magazine). I think the english name Kurmanji is better than the „Kurmancî“ name in his own language.—Kaiduo (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

The speakers of the language do not call their language „Northern Kurdish“. They use the term „Kurmanji“—Kaiduo (talk) 15:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. The 2015 move to the current title was made without much evidence. "Kurmanji" appears more common in sources.[5][6] —  AjaxSmack  02:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support I also checked and the suggested name is clearly used more in English reliable sources. Kurmancî is not used nearly as much as Kurmanji so I do not support that. Doug Weller talk 11:59, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Name change

I hope people here know that the name change from Northern Kurdish to Kurmanji is because some users are trying to disassociate Yezidis from anything Kurdish (thus remove 'Kurdish' from this page'). This is clear Wikipedia:POV and should the page name be changed back 'Northern Kurdish'. We have Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, so why change it? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Some wrote above "It seems like a fake language called „Northern Kurdish“. This says it all. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I am a kurd and fluent native kurmanji speaker. I don't know what the idea is behind rejecting the term "kurmanji". All northern kurds (called natively Kurmanj) call their language natively kurmanji. What is the meaning of hiding this? You live in a fantasy word and believe you do something good by rejecting the truth. This is clear your own POV and not NPOV. As one with origins from semsur as well I don't get why Ahmedo Semsurî want to hide the name "kurmanj", while all native Kurdish speakers of semsur call their language "kurmanji". Central Kurdish on the other hand is another case, since Sorani speaker natively don't use any term other than "kurdi". Also the difference between Central Kurdish (aka Sorani or kurdi nawendi) and Kurmanji are obvious language differences and not just dialect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojan98 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Destruction of this page

@Jahmalm:, can you please answer these questions concerning your POV-edits?

1 – What part of this academic, well-sourced and balanced version of the article do you disagree with?[7] You seem to have one thing in mind when you edit and that's removing any trace of the argument that Kurmanji is one of the three dialects.

2 – You sourced phonology section with some rubbish which does not harmonize whatsoever with the well-sourced article Kurdish phonology. Some of the phonemes you want to keep do not exist in any Kurdish dialect or subdialect.

3 – The source used in the Dialects-section write Serhed Kurdish, which you changed to Serhed. Again, it feels like you have an agenda.

4 – The earliest textual record of Kurmanji Kurdish dates back to approximately the 16th century and many prominent Kurdish poets like Ahmad Khani (1650-1707) wrote in this dialect as well. Well-sourced sentence you disliked and thus removed. Why?

Please reply soberly without calling me names. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 24 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus (non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 11:44, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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Kurmanji → Kurmanji Kurdish – The main reason that I request a move is partly because some users are exploiting the last name change to push for their POV which is removing the word "Kurdish" from the page (the user who requested the last move was indeed blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and vandalism, including for his edits on Kurmanji). Furthermore, calling it "Kurmanji Kurdish" is common in academic works[8][9][10] and the name of this page was also "Kurmanji Kurdish" before 2015. I get that "Northern Kurdish" is less used academically, but there should be no contestation with this name move. Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, I don't think that Sorani requires Kurdish so why would Kurmanji. Though as above prefer Kurmancî since the language now is increasing used in Latin script it is increasingly called Kurmancî in scholarly sources In ictu oculi (talk) 15:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, if it's about harmonization, the name of this page shouldn't have been changed from "Northern Kurdish", now when the two other dialects are named Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 17:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose The last two discussions have shown that the name Kurmanji is suitable and appears more often than "Northern Kurdish" or something else, so a new move is not an article improvement. 79.67.42.39 (talk) 21:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Kurmanji in Erbil

Kurmanji is spoken in some parts of Erbil Governorate It should be added to the badînî sub dialect section Akam Nawzad (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Done. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit requests

Change the Sinjar distinct in Iraq to the Sinjar district in Iraq, misspelling HornSpiel (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Further, I refined the link to be to Sinjar District. —C.Fred (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Suggest changing “Naskh Arabic script” next to “Writing system” in the “Kurmanji” Infobox to just “Arabic script” since “Naskh” refers to a particular calligraphic style/hand that can be used to render Arabic script (just as Latin script can be rendered variously in Roman and Fraktur styles, for example), whereas I believe the point intended here is that Kurmanji can be written in Arabic script in addition to Latin script and Cyrillic script (and not that when written in Arabic script it is restricted to being rendered in Naskh style). —PowerPCG5 (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Dialects

From the section Dialect continuum:

"Kurmanji forms a dialect continuum of great variability. Loosely, six subdialect areas can be distinguished:"

The cited source (Öpengin, Ergin; Haig, Geoffrey (2014), "Regional variation in Kurmanji: A preliminary classification of dialects", Kurdish Studies), however says that those are "dialects" of a language:

The cited source say:

From the abstract: "...This article aims at providing an initial classification of Kurmanji-internal variation into major regional dialects,.."

From the Introduction: "Like any other natural language, Kurmanji encompasses a considerable spectrum of regional variation. Yet within academia, regional variation in Kurmanji has been almost entirely neglected..."

Nice censorship.... Rojan98 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

@Rojan98: So what change are you proposing to the article? I'm not sure that removing the dialect section is called for since there is a source cited. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I have made the changes I propose. öpengin & haig changed revisited their classification and merged the 5 dialects into 3 main groups.--Rojan98 (talk) 22:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Unconstructive edits and reverts

Last edits were undone by Semsûrî, claiming that it was unconstructive.

There is nothing such as "anatolian kurmanji" it is simply the same as southwestern and northwestern Kurmanji. The cited source [29] in the undone version by semsûrî lists 5 dialects and not 6 and states nothing about "anatolian kurmanji". And those 5 dialects were revised from 5 to 3 by the same scholars who are among the few academic who have works on kurmanji language. Eventhough I had source for this, it got deleted. --Rojan98 (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps you shouldn't remove sourced information like you did with the list of dialects in the infobox when you edit constructively. --Semsurî (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

The current edited cited source [29] (Haig & Öpengin), revised their own work and merged their former 5 dialects into 3 dialects. I also suggest reverting the infobox, since its content is not even the same as the "dialect continuum" section. The subdialect in infobox are amateurish and not well sourced, simply made up from tribe names.

Also, kurmanji is not a "dialect continuum", that is why I added a source about that kurmanji there is a high level mutually intelligible accross dialects. A dialect continuum is a spread of language varieties spoken across some geographical area such that neighboring varieties differ only slightly, but the differences accumulate over distance so that widely separated varieties are not mutually intelligible.".

And again, your reverted source doesn't state anything about "anatolian kurmanji".--Rojan98 (talk) 16:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done No suggested edit, and there doesn't appear to be a consensus for whatever changes it is you want making anyway. Fish+Karate 11:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Revert phonology section

I suggest revertinging the phonology section, since it was unconstrutively deleted and copied to "kurdish phonology" article by semsûrî. In the kurdish phonology article, sorani phonology and kurmanji phonology are merged into one single table wihtout source and making more confusion. --Rojan98 (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done The {{edit extended-protected}} template is for uncontroversial referenced edits. Fish+Karate 11:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Official language

Official recognized minority language is not the same with education language. Some countries should be removed from the infobox. Also KRG should be listed under Iraq. Rojava is not a real/official region, it shouldn't be listed either. Beshogur Azerbaijani constitution: Article 21. Official language

• Azerbaijanian language is official language of the Azerbaijan Republic.
• Azerbaijan Republic provides development of the Azerbaijanian language.
• Azerbaijan Republic ensures free use and development of other languages spoken by the people.

I made another research, same goes for Georgia. Article 8.

• The state language of Georgia shall be Georgian, and in Abkhazia - also Abkhazian. (Change is added by the Constitutional Law of Georgia of 10 October 2002).

A minority language is not same with educational language. There are lot of examples where are countries teaching with another language but it isn't actually their recognized minority language. (talk) 23:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Status in KRG

I've checked the constitution of KRG, it says Kurdish is the official language. But which, Sorani or Kurmanci, or both? Beshogur (talk) 10:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

There's some information here and it seems to be both of them.(p. 64) --Semsurî (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Request for Edit.

Add Rojava Kurmanji (Western Kurdish) as it is not present and is the dialect spoken in rojava. Vallee01 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Vallee01: Per what source? —C.Fred (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello I am currently learning Kurmanji, please excuse the poor image quality here is a fluent Kurdish book on Kurmanji going over all the dialects, Shirzad Akadhi (The person who wrote this) has a PHD and a Masters in Kurdish is thereby reliable. Book Title: https://imgur.com/a/o42H7di Specific Section: https://imgur.com/a/o8mo9tk Vallee01 (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Error in map legend, colour codes. Here is the information available on the map file:

Approximate distribution of the Kurdish and Zaza–Gorani languages

  Kurmanji (Northern Kurdish)

  Sorani (Central Kurdish)

  Zazaki

  Southern Kurdish (Goroni is included)

  mixed dialect areas

Wikarth (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding a Video of a Kurmanji speaker

Hi!

I have a video of a Kurmanji speaker from Wikitongues and I was hoping to post it on the page but I only have just over 100 edits so I cannot. If you think that a video would enrich the page, it's on Wikimedia Commons and the file name is File:WIKITONGUES- Mohamad speaking Kurdish.webm .

Thank you and have a nice day, Jessica Britt (talk) 05:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Please properly disclose your conflict of interest when making such suggestions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Revert

• Can anybody revert to 29 December version? intentional incorrect edits
• Obvious vandal who seeks to remove the phrases Kurdistan and such, just look at the phrase "provinces of Turkish"... really? The person who made the edits is now topic-banned[11] from topics related to Kurds, and Kurmanji is a dialect of Kurdish.

They say that a specific city is not in Kurdistan and they didn't provide any sources for the claims. When they edited that they also changed the meaning of other things in that sentence. According to Kurdish Wikipedia, it is in Kurdistan and the location also makes that apparent. I'm pretty sure they didn't fix anything, only wanted to remove references of Kurdistan. -- Guherto (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Restored lost text. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

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Which dialect is spoken in Diyarbakir (Amed)?

Amed is the largest city with a Kurdish majority in Turkey, but it is not mentioned at all in the text. 91.125.142.96 (talk) 05:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Êzdîkî

Êzdîkî should be split from Kurmanji since Êzdîkî is a recognized minority language in Armenia since May 2001 (Page: 267). It also does not make sense to handle with the term in this page because this page claims that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect. This is the opposite of what the term Êzdîkî expresses. According to the definition of Êzdîkî, it is a distinct language. Therefore the term deserves an own page. Contentcu (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

A vernacular can have different names. That doesn't mean that all of its names should have its own Wikipedia pages. --Semsûrî (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

It is not just a different name. It is recognized as a distinct language (separated from Kurdish) in Armenia. Also, Êzdîkî has its own writing system (script). If Êzdîkî should be in the Kurmanji article, than this page should not claimed that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect, because not all Kurmanji speakers designate Kurmanji as a Kurdish dialect. This is very confusing. Contentcu (talk) 23:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Linguists hass classified Kurmanji (and thus Ezidiki) as a Kurdish dialect. That is what matters, not what some speakers designate it as. --Semsûrî (talk) 07:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

This is your point of view. Not all linguists classified Kurmanji as a Kurdish dialect. For this reason Êzdîkî was recognized as a distinct language in Armenia (since May 2001). Contentcu (talk) 08:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't there an WP:RFC (or WP:RM) about this already? (I vaguely remember, uh... something.) Anyway, maybe time for a new one (as a WP:CCC refresher)...? El_C 13:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@El C: We had this POV fork three years ago[12]. Perhaps that was what you recalled. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai

Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai 93.91.196.154 (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Dialect map uses wrong color key

I'm not sure when or why it started not matching the map, but now, basically none of the colors in the color key even appear in the map. This is the correct key, copied from the map's Wikimedia page:

  Kurmanji (Northern Kurdish)

  Sorani (Central Kurdish)

  Zazaki

  Southern Kurdish (Goroni is included)

  mixed dialect areas

I fully understand the necessity of locking this article; however, I do not have extended access. Would someone who does please correct the key? Mszegedy (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Link to recordings of Kurmanji narratives

Please make the following addition to the ‘External links’ section of the article:

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[https://doreco.huma-num.fr/languages/nort2641 Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) DoReCo corpus] compiled by Geoff Haig, Maria Vollmer and Hanna Thiele. Audio recordings of narrative texts with transcriptions time-aligned at the phone level, translations, and time-aligned morphological annotations.

Banhbidac (talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello there,

Would it be possible to add the above to the ‘External links’ section of this page? The linked site hosts a collection of five audio recordings featuring narratives in Kurmanji (in other words a corpus). Each recording has been transcribed and translated word for word, and all the Kurmanji material is under a CC BY licence.

This Kurmanji corpus was compiled as part of the DoReCo project, which was jointly funded by academic grants from the French National Research Agency (ANR) and the German Research Foundation (DFG) in order to promote research on lesser-studied languages. For disclosure purposes, I am affiliated to a team of academics currently working on the data collected under the DoReCo project.

Thank you for your attention. Banhbidac (talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done, although I did remove the names of the contributors in favor of brevity. Miner Editor (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Banhbidac (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Number of speakers

Hi,

I came to this Wikipedia page because I was curious how many Kurmanji speakers there were, but all I could find in the article was the sentence, “It [Kurmanji] is the most widely spoken form of Kurdish” in the intro. Could someone add the number of speakers either to the infobox or into the body of the article? IMHO this seems to be a pretty basic piece of information that should be mentioned in an article about a language. ’preciate it  —Arrandale Westmere (talk) 08:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023

"Ethnologue reports that the use of Kurmanji is declining in Turkey even when the language is used as a language of wider communication (LWC) by immigrants to Turkey, and that the language is threatened because it's speaker population is decreasing"

"it's" should be replaced with "its", or the sentence re-worded. I don't think LWC acronym is needed but this can stay if others disagree. 194.33.196.47 (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 11:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)