Talk:Kopperl, Texas

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I have removed the text below from the article because I think it is not verified by any reliable source. The only source provided is science-frontiers.com, a website that that aims to "challenge prevailing scientific paradigms", which I take to mean something akin to promoting WP:FRINGE views. In any case, I think a better source for the weather event is needed - surely there must be actual news reports from the time. If someone can find a reliable source to verify the information in this paragraph, it can be returned to the article. Gnome de plume (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Shortly after midnight on June 15, 1960, a freak meteorological phenomenon, a heat burst, struck the community when a dying thunderstorm collapsed over Kopperl. The storm had rained itself out, and with little to no precipitation to cool the resulting downdrafts, superheated air was expended upon the community in the form of extremely hot wind gusts of up to 75 MPH. The temperature increased rapidly, peaking near 140° Fahrenheit (60° Celsius); twenty degrees above the official all-time high for the state of Texas. The storm, known as "Satan's Storm" by locals, soon became part of local folklore.<ref>http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf029/sf029p11.htm</ref>

Here's your source: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/the-texas-heat-1/4574 --OneOverX (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that is much verification. It says events such as this one "exceed the highest temperature recorded on Earth", implying that the 140 F claim was never recorded. Gnome de plume (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

How about an original newspaper report from the following day citing the event and the 140° temperature?

https://www.newspapers.com/image/83053171/?terms=Heat%2Bwave%2Blake%2BWhitney&match=1

 Sub!  22:08, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm unable to access that news report. Can you describe what it says about the 140 F temperature claim? Gnome de plume (talk) 11:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't take this seriously. That's hotter than the hottest air temperature ever recorded on Earth, and not by an insignificant amount. The page should be limited to official records. Master of Time (talk) 22:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

• While heat bursts do, in fact, exist (I experienced one late at night when I was in Oklahoma in May of 1996), neither the "science-frontiers" site nor the AccuWeather blog (which mostly seems to refer back to Wikipedia) seem to be reliable sources for this kind of information. Either this event is in the official weather records for the state of Texas, or it isn't. Until such time as a reliable source can be found for this info, all of the info related to the 140F "event" should be removed from this article here. Guy1890 (talk) 07:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Christopher C. Burt gave the recorded temperature of 60.0 °C (140.0 °F) in Kopperl a validity score of 4, almost as high as 56.7 °C (134.1 °F) in Furnace Creek, which got a validity score of 5: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/hottest-air-temperatures-reported-on-earth.html. Compared to many of the other recorded temperatures in his list, 4 is quite high. -- EzekielT ^Talk 20:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Assuming that we should give "Christopher C. Burt's" (whoever that is) blog any credence, he states very clearly there that: "The reliability of the thermometer in question is not known", which basically translates that he doesn't know if it's an accurate measurement or not. Again, this event either is in the official temperature record for the state of TX or it isn't, and I've seen no reliable evidence that it is in that official record, yet. Guy1890 (talk) 05:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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