Talk:Jujube

It is called ಬಾರೆಹಣ್ಣು in Kannada

This is silly. All other names are given in Roman transliteration. Who other than a Kannada speaker would have a clue how to pronounce the above? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.68 (talk) 15:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Tulu Language

I added the Tulu word for jujube, it was very interesting to know that it is known by the same name in assam, so I had to put this one up. Also why is there no mention of the fact that this plant grows in the wild without water. Also i had read that jujube is the best thing you could eat if you were out in the desert and dying of thirst. Anyone can find a source and put that up. Cause I remember we would play in the hot sun when were kids and we would pluck jujubes from the tree and eat 4 or 5 before drinking water. It would refresh us like anything, no energy drink or miracle supplement can come close. Ofcourse we never knew this it was only recently I read somewhere that jujubes are the best thing to have when you are dehydrated, especially when you have lost a lot vital body salts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.63.194 (talk) 19:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect reference?

Hong zao jiu, to my knowledge, is often made with jujube. However the reference (4) stated do not discuss this at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.236.56 (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Date

The jujube and the date are both fine fruits but taste nothing alike. The most that can be said is that when dried they have a faint visual resemblance. I'm not going to change anything by noting this, but it is off my chest now. — Pekinensis 18:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So what else is new? :) It's given the name of Chinese date, not date, in the same way as Bombay duck isn't duck, it's fish. We English-speakers have a funny way of doing that... thefamouseccles 03:26, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Jujubes went from East to West. At the reverse, dates went West to East, and when the Chinese got acquainted with dates, they called them "western jujubes". So, from an ethnobotanical point of view, the link is clear ! Michel Chauvet (talk) 10:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC).

Systematistic sadism

Are the genus name and specific epithet of this thing really "Ziziphus zizyphus" - differing by only one letter? How ridiculous... -Ian

Yes, that's correct; one letter difference is enough to mean the name is not a tautonym, and is therefore legitimate as a plant name. - MPF 22:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Irrelevant and misleading. Tautonyms are perfectly legitimate.

In the US, it's rare to see fresh date or jujube - maybe because they are not grown in the country. I ate a lot of jujube or Chinese date when I was a kid. In Chinese, 枣 means jujube, while 椰枣 means date. 椰 means coconut (palm tree). Unfortunately, for almost all the English language learners in China, date is 枣, rather than 椰枣. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuming.us (talk • contribs)

Candied?

I was not under the impression that dried red or black jujubes were candied (i.e. soaked in sugar); I thought they were naturally sweet. Why use the term "candied"? Badagnani 06:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Dried ones are natually sweet, but candid ones are just as common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 00:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed a statement that the Jujube is extremely rare in the US. They grow outstandingly well in the desert. I have a tree in Southern Nevada. The limbs are hanging to the ground due to being so loaded with fruit. I love eating them straight off the tree. My only question is the name, is it ho-hoba? or Jew-jew-bee? Gustywind (talk) 00:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)gustywind

Brown Dates

At Chinese grocery stores, I always find red, black and brown varieties of the Chinese date. The article explains what the black variety is (simply smoked red ones) but what exactly are the brown ones.. are they aother variety of the jujube or is it simply a red jujube that has been treated in a certain manner? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.23.248 (talk • contribs)

Good question. I think I ran into these during my last trip to a Chinese grocery store as well. How do they compare in size and shape to the red and black ones? This may take some research. Badagnani 01:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Regular "brown dates" (Phoenix dactylifera, the kind grown in the Middle East) are called wú lòu zǐ (无漏子). Badagnani 05:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I went back and bought a bag and they aren't dates at all. They seem to be a variety of jujube..

There seem to be three varieties of jujube in all:

• 1.Ziziphus jujuba: the common red "Chinese jujube"
• 2.Zizyphus mauritania: also known as "Indian jujuje" and it is brown
• 3.Ziziphus spina-christi: also known as "Arabian jujube" and it is brown

I'm pretty sure that the Brown dates sold at the chinese store are either 2 or 3... The package I bought has the symbol for jujube 枣 along with some other ones which I can't decipher... the package doesn't give the latin name.. so I have no idea how to determine which one it is...24.6.23.248 03:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

What are the other Chinese characters? You can probably figure them out with Wiktionary. If you still can't figure it out I will buy some the next time I'm at the grocery store in Cleveland. We can probably figure out the Latin name if we have the Chinese name. I don't know the Chinese word for "brown." Badagnani 04:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

File:Chinese brown dates.jpg

Dried brown dates?

I didn't think it would work... but I scanned the package and it looks alright.. so I am posting the picture on here.... Hopefully we can figure out what this is.AllTalking 08:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Those look exactly like the package I saw. Here are some of the characters: 特級蜜棗. That means something like "special type sweet jujube" or "special grade honey jujube." Products can be confusing because they change the way the characters are written for artistic reasons. Badagnani 16:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I just found a package of the same kind of brown dates, called 梧州蜜枣 (Wuzhou honey/sweet jujube). Badagnani 03:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Name of fruit/tree

Much like plum, pear, or loquat, the commonly known and used name for this tree/fruit is "Jujube". Badagnani 22:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This is an uncontroversial move to the sci name per WP:PLANTS. Also while Jujube is clearly the commonest, and de facto official English name, the page also lists "Red Date" and "Chinese Date" as names. Additionally, though this has not been covered in either this article about the single species Ziziphus zizyphus, or the Ziziphus genus article, the OED gives 'jujube' as "any of several species of Ziziphus", so there may be a good case for splitting out the culinary info to a separate page - MPF 22:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it is the case that any other species is commonly called "Jujube" in English. Badagnani 00:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

"Red date" is simply a translation of the Chinese name, hongzao (红枣), and is typically only used in this context. Badagnani 00:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Repeat: please DO NOT delete two lengthy paragraphs merely for the POV of higher prominence for the English name over the scientific. - MPF 01:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You have just thoughtlessly deleted material I have added as well. Your mindless reversions, needlessly and without consensus reinserting the scientific name in place of the common name, are very bad. Badagnani 01:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't deleted anything apart from one or two mentions of the English name in the taxobox. If you want those back in, just add them again, without removing everything else. I did also move one or two sentences higher/lower to more logical positions in the page, maybe you've misinterpreted that as their being removed? (e.g. the sentence "The Jujube has been cultivated for over 4,000 years for its edible fruit, and over 400 cultivars have been selected" is now in the cultivation section, rather than the species description section) - MPF 01:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

"other use section"

Hi, I added jujubes are often placed in the newly wed's chamber on their wedding night...I couldn't find an English source for this, but there are plenty of Chinese sources and I know for a fact is true. I'm not source how should I source this. But here's a link mentioning it: http://www.china.com.cn/book/zhuanti/txt/2006-10/27/content_7285545.htm Cecikierk 06:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Cecikierk

Don't ban me

Sorry, I did wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond88824 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Correct name

According to The Plant List, the correct name for this species should be Ziziphus jujuba Mill. MKwek (talk) 05:49, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Z. jujuba was recently conserved against Z. ziziphus. Z. jujuba is certainly correct.Plantdrew (talk) 16:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ziziphus mauritiana Lam. is also called "jujube" (merge?, dab?, or clarify?)

This article lists Ziziphus mauritiana Lam. as a synonym for Ziziphus jujuba Mill. but there exists a separate article under that name. Are Chinese and Indian jujubes different cultivars or different species? Does this deserve a merge, dab, hatnote, or maybe "see also" section? 74.232.36.177 (talk) 01:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

"Palestine"

The reference to "Palestine" should be in the past tense, not the present. The footnote relates to a publication from the 19th century. Dkelber (talk) 15:54, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Should have stayed, this is in the "Cultural and religious references" section. Dkelber (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Stated! Darn autocorrect! Dkelber (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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Nomenclature

I have corrected the details concerning the Latin name. Linnaeus was not the first to describe the species scientfically, but merely the first to give it a binomial name. Miller's spelling of the genus name was not an accident: he was reviving the name as used by Tournefort. This part of the discussion really ought to be at the entry for Zizyphus (the genus) not here at the species. Only the history of the specific epithet zizyphus/jujuba is relevant here. Myopic Bookworm (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC)