Talk:Joseph Franz von Lobkowitz

Not a Czech patron of the arts

Joseph Franz von Lobkowitz is an article that only says this person was a noble from Bohemia. It never uses the word "Czech" to describe him. He died in 1816 and was born in 1772. In the article on the Czech national awakening we learn "Czech language had been more or less eradicated from state administration, literature, schools, Charles University, and among the upper classes." So he almost certainly did not speak Czech, and it is very unlikely he would have thought of himself as Czech. He was a noble. The first Czech grammar is only published in 1809, 7 years before he died, and it is the year after he died that medieval Czech use in manuscripts is first proclaimed. I am now being yelled at over removing him from the Czech patrons of the arts category because he was the only one, although there is no justification for placing him in that category at all. He should be removed from that category. This also illustrates why we need to require more than one article to create a category. We should not be locking in poor categorization decisions and forcing the categorization of individual articles to be discussed at categories for discussion because people created categories without bothering to even populate them beyond 1 article. I think we should default not allow any categories under 5 articles period. At least we should require survival of categories under 5 articles to be justified by very strong arguments. When the sole content clearly does not belong at all this should be a very major problem.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

• Although he died in Bohemia, he was born in Vienna. So it is not even clear that he lived most of his life in the boundaries of the modern Czech Republic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)