Talk:Jollof rice

what's a tea bush?

it doesn't seem to be the same thing as tea tree or bush tea. Leaving this as a note is all for now. If you can clarify please do Elinruby (talk) 10:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

RfC on etymology/origins section(s)

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Closed as invalid. RfCs should address a single topic, and in specific enough terms that consensus can be weighed on how to proceed. See WP:RFC. RfCs are not for open-ended wondering if agreement on something "is possible". I would recommend opening the three separate matters as separate threads (or perhaps two threads, if the nomenclature matters can be combined), then using RfC only if consensus cannot be easily reached on one of them, which seems unlikely, since these are basic matters that can be addressed by consulting reliable sources. If the sources conflict, then WP's job is to note that they do so, not try to determine WP:TRUTH on our own.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  17:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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{{rfc|hist|soc|lang|style|rfcid=540DCF6}} Is it possible to agree on one account of the various origin stories for Jollof rice? And of the etymological theories for the name? As a second, separate related question should Jollof be capitalized? I thought I read it might be from Wolof (sp?) in which case it is a proper name? Or not? Elinruby (talk) 11:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Can the RFC author propose specific text to vote for or against? If not please cancel the RFC, the RFC is too general. CuriousMind01 (talk) 11:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree with this. An RfC impliedly asking a committee to draft part of an article is unlikely to reach consensus. But a bold proposal asking for an up/down vote (and, inevitably, proposed adjustments) might.

I would also like to see the second, separate question as a separate RfC with a separate invitation list, so we aren't bothering linguistics and style afficionados with questions about food. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

It's badly worded and ignores our polices on sources and NPOV. The capitalization question should rely on sources also. Doug Weller talk 19:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Origin dispute, 2022

As noted in a discussion above from 2016, "There's a separate article on thieboudienne, where it is described as "a traditional dish from Senegal", with fish as a mandatory ingredient." This article is about a more general idea of the recipe, a recipe which various West African countries have their own version of. No one is disputing that thieboudienne (or ceebu jën) is from Senegal. The source that User:FromSenegal continues inserting (while removing existing sources) does not mention Jollof rice, but is rather about ceebu jen.[1]. Some articles discussing the origins and dispute:

• How Jollof rice became West Africa’s iconic dish and a point of banter between Africans, from Quartz Africa; The most adopted theory for the expansion of the dish explains Jollof Rice as having its origins in the Senegambia region of west Africa, in the ancient Wolof or Jolof Empire, during the 14th-16th century. The former empire is located in what is considered to be parts of modern-day Senegal, The Gambia, and Mauritania.
• West Africa steams over jollof rice war from the BBC; As far as jollof's origin is concerned, Senegal and Gambia can make forceful claims purely on linguistic and geographical point of views.

FromSenegal has also repeatedly removed a section sourced to a food and agriculture historian, James C. McCann, who also disputes the notion that the dish originated in a single country. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I added sources from Senegalese historians and food historians, the country where it originates from. McCann is not the spokesperson of said dish nor its origin. https://www.yummymedley.com/thieboudienne-senegalese-rice-fish/ FromSenegal (talk) 02:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Please reread WP:RS so you can understand the problem here, FromSenegal. --Yamla (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41053424 source said its origin is Senegal. Another source where it says the same https://www.yummymedley.com/thieboudienne-senegalese-rice-fish/ . also on the Wikipedia article the word ceebu jën is mentioned. There are lot of sources confirming the Senegalese origin of said dish. The name Jollof rice refers to empire of Jollof. So what do you want more? FromSenegal (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

YummyMedley, really?!? Again, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand WP:RS. This is an important policy and you need to go and reread it. The BBC blog post notes both Senegal and Gambia may make claims as the originators of jollof rice, but doesn't firmly identify the originating nation. --Yamla (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Why are you just focussing on one source when the most reliable of all i.e UNESCO declared its origin as Senegal. Do you have more reliable sources? I ask you to provide them. FromSenegal (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

another soure https://www.amazon.com/Mots-du-patrimoine-French/dp/2914610335 I ask you again to provide sources. FromSenegal (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

will you provide sources since you seem to be better informed than I am? FromSenegal (talk) 14:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Jambalaya

How is African jollof different from Cajun jambalaya? Did jambalaya get influenced and originate from come from jollof? Lmharding (talk) 15:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

IP edits

Wish I could discuss this with the IP who said much of African history is undocumented and that can pose problems when it comes to adding reliable empirical sourcing but it’s best to let the culture and customs (barring disingenuous intentions) be told by either the people themselves or the people who actually know about it. References should be appropriate when used but if there aren’t any when I’m the one doing the editing, you can rest assured that I know what I’m talking about. but it looks like they're IP hopping.

IP, if you're seeing this, come in and discuss. We can't rest assured you know what you're talking about. We do understand the difficulties of finding documentation for African history, and we want to fix it, but using your personal knowledge -- when we have literally no idea who you are and, because your IP keeps changing, what your editing history is -- won't work here, as you could literally be anyone. Please consider creating an account. Valereee (talk) 12:07, 4 October 2023 (UTC)