Talk:James Laxer

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Recent BLP violations

Hi there! Because there have been edits to this article recently by editors of all account levels and types - and whom are all apparently having trouble complying with Wikipedia's biographies of living people policy and how to locate an acceptable source to cite as proof, I've fully protected the article to enforce compliance. All edits until then will need to be requested and reviewed before being added to the article. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. --Malerooster (talk) 01:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

The BLP "violation" is updating the article to reflect the fact that Professor Laxer died today in Paris, as reported by his son[1] as well as the Broadbent Institute[2] Nixon Now (talk) 01:17, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Also note his son's Facebook post. I have no doubt this is legitimate, but there is no source I'd be willing to cite for this information yet. I assume there will be in 24-48 hours. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

power~enwiki - Let me know when you find one and I'll remove full protection so it can be added. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to be offline, hopefully somebody else can do so. To make clear to any editors who find this strange, Wikipedia does occasionally get death hoaxes (there was one recently regarding Lotfi A. Zadeh a month before his actual death). Having a policy requiring sources such as newspaper obituaries or press releases from a university both ensures that these hoaxes aren't re-published, and ensures that details such as the official date of death are accurate. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:23, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Clearly there was room for discretion here and it would have been easy enough to determine this wasn't a hoax by checking his son's Facebook page which is obviously legitimate. Nixon Now (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

James Laxer is dead and died 23 February 2018. Why this is even being debated is a complete fracking mystery to me. I knew him, and I know his son. "The Left Chapter" blog is reliable enough to presume he is dead. No violation of Wikipedia policies. Dumb policing of Wikipedia policies here. Saying he is alive is now a fake news story.Abebenjoe (talk) 05:17, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Abebenjoe ...Are you serious? Do you honestly not understand why we cannot accept a blog entry as a reference to modify a biography of a living person and say that the person is now dead? The fact that you state that you have a personal relationship to this person adds to my rebuttal here - situations like these are exactly why Wikipedia has such strict scrutiny when it comes to BLP articles, and why we clearly define references that are acceptable from those that are not. Abebenjoe, I don't mean to be rude or personal toward you at all - but you must understand that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. I urge you to review and refresh yourself with Wikipedia's policies on BLP and RS, because this reference is absolutely not an acceptable source to use when adding such controversial changes to this article. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Remove the "2018 deaths" category, if he's not dead. Talk about BLP violations. — Wyliepedia 15:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@CAWylie: He died on Friday. Nixon Now (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Nixon Now: Not according to Oshwah. — Wyliepedia 16:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@CAWylie: Just according to the family. Nixon Now (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

CAWylie - Oh snap. Good call on the template - thanks for pinging me and letting me know. It has been removed. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Oshwah: Oh snap? Do you have any clue how insensitive and boorish your comment is? Nixon Now (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

The has verified Prof. Laxer's death on the strength of his son's Facebook post. While it wasn't good enough for User:Oshwah, it was good enough for the CBC. Imagine that. Nixon Now (talk) 23:39, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

That's actually precisely how things are supposed to work. A reliable source with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy finds the information and carries out whatever checks they feel are necessary before reporting the information. We rely on these reliable sources. If the reliable sources start to fail at their job, for example by not sufficiently checking the information before reporting it, we recognise that they are no longer reliable and do not use them. Note that contrary to what was said above, from what I can tell neither anyone here, nor our article said he was still alive. Instead, our article simply did not say he had passed until we had sufficient sourcing to report that. And likewise people have simple said that we need better sourcing before can report in our article the unfortunate news of his passing, and when he passed away. Anyone who did comment on the truth said that they fully accept that it seemed very likely he had passed away. Nil Einne (talk) 08:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Death confirmed

His death is confirmed here: -> CBC — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs)

Second source for confirmation of death: -> Star — Preceding unsigned comment added by 607:fea8:8520:592:81bf:18aa:c97c:de31 (talk)

Yup. I pinged Oshwah on IRC; the protection expires in 2 hours so it's also fine if we have to wait it out. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:15, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Dates

I restored the date format to how it had been for years. I also removed some details that aren't really necessary, ie specific wedding dates, ect. --Malerooster (talk) 04:02, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't know why someone keeps changing the dates to DMY format. This isn't a British English article, the MDY format is much more common in Canadian English than DMY. Nixon Now (talk) 04:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

DMY is the most recent format consistently used in the article. And MOS:DATETIES is clear that Canadian articles may use either format. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

No, that is not correct. MDY was used on this article for years, so it should stay that way. --Malerooster (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

No, MDY has not being consistently used. While it was generally used for the subject's dates of birth and death, those were alongside DMY dates. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Positions on American ownership and oil industry nationalization

@Nixon Now: Regarding the four sources you added to the sentence "He favoured nationalization of the oil industry and opposed growing American ownership in the Canadian economy", I'm wondering if you would be able to provide page numbers for verification. These are the four to which I'm referring:

• James Laxer (1970). The Energy Poker Game: The Politics of the Continental Resources Deal. New Press. ISBN 9780887700316.
• James Laxer (1974). Canada's Energy Crisis. James Lorimer Limited. ISBN 9780888620873.
• James Laxer and Anne Martin (1976). The Big tough expensive job : Imperial Oil and the Canadian economy. Press Porcépic. ISBN 9780888781222.
• James Laxer and Robert Laxer (1977). The Liberal Idea of Canada: Pierre Trudeau and the Question of Canada's Survival. James Lorimer & Company. ISBN 0888621248.</ref>

Thanks, 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)