Talk:Jacob Elordi

Early life

I think ot should be specified that the Basque Country is a region of Spain, because many people may think that its an independent country and that is not true. Also, for those who say that this information its redundant, many celebrity pages here in wikipedia (Such as Viggo Mortensen or Scarlette Johansson) include parent’s (and even grandparent’s) hometowns and countries of origin. Why is that information not redundant on those pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.128.235.142 (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

You've already been answered in the discussion above. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Nobody give one reason. People just say no, without a debate. I offer precedents of pages where the same information exist and where the editors allow that information. Why is that information not accepeted on this page? 98.128.235.142 (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

No one is interested in continuing this conversation except you. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Again, you dont give me any reason. You act in a totalitarian way, without giving an option to debate and much less to consensus. I want to speak with someone impartial. 98.128.235.142 (talk) 15:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Glossary: "for no reason" -- for no reason that I agree with or think is reasonable; "option to debate" -- willingness to rehash arguments for as long as it takes until it emerges that I am right; "consensus" -- everybody finally agreeing with me. _signed, Willondon (talk) 16:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Let me chime in too... if people want to know about Basque Country, they can click the link. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, readers who know about the Basque Country will already be aware of its cohesion as an ethnic population without sovereign status. Readers who don't will (1) carry on, satisfied that it is something they don't need to know right now (especially while reading of Australian Elordi's parents), or (2) click on the link to inform themselves. _signed, Willondon (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes Willondon, Take a good look at the conversations and you Will see that nobody has given any reason for not to put that information. Not one. Information that you can find in more pages, so there is a precedent. You Will tell me what option to debate exists if they dont even answer simple questions? Why is That information valid on other pages of other artists but not on this one? Nobody answers, they only give answers that the topic is closed. 98.128.235.142 (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

And again, the answer is click. WHy its not the same in other pages<? 98.128.235.142 (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

change 2013 to 2023 in CAREER heading, last line. Gotchaagain11 (talk) 05:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 05:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2024

I would like to change the photo a better photo because he’s actually more attractive than the current photo suggests 2601:981:C080:2150:CB1:A560:28F4:5FA7 (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: What image do you have in mind? Keep in mind we have a WP:Image Use Policy and we can't just go grab any picture we like due to copyright laws. Cannolis (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Height

@Joeyconnick: Just wanted to bring this to the talk page to avoid further edit warring. Until we've resolved this, I'll try to hold off on adding anything, but I just wanted to discuss the info regarding his height being notable. Removing the information about him being regarded for his height on the basis that he is notable for his acting is, like I said in my edit summary, a false dilemma—he can be, and is, notable for both. Michael Jackson is notable for his music, but that doesn't negate the fact that his appearance and health are also notable enough for their own article on Wikipedia due to the wide variety of sources that address them in depth.

Conversely, Elordi's height does not, at this point, warrant its own article, but it undeniably has gotten enough coverage to permit, at the very least, inclusion in the article. This Vulture essay from this month is entirely about his height, as is this 2020 article from The Cut. This Vox article about his career in 2023 begins with the sentence, "There is no man in Hollywood as tall, as popular, or as beautiful as Jacob Elordi," and goes on to discuss his height further ("How can a man tall enough (6'5", as we are legally obligated to note)", "Even his enormous height gets a babygirl reaction", ...well, if you haven't heard, he is tall.") Other, more routine coverage of Elordi from Men's Health, People, and PinkNews includes articles also exclusively about the effect his height had on his acting career.

Even if it is not an integral part of his acting career on the surface, the source material makes it clear that his height is an essential part of his public image. Would like to hear what you have to say as well. benǝʇᴉɯ 20:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Joeyconnick benǝʇᴉɯ 02:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

If he weren't an actor, he would not have an article for being 6'5". So QED. It's not notable. Just because people have written about it doesn't mean we need to include it, as we are not indiscriminate. The entertainment press can just "oh my gosh *swoon*" over his height but guess what? We're not the entertainment press.

If he were in a profession where height could make or break your career, then it would likely be relevant. That's why we generally remove height info from actors' pages... unless they modelled, where being tall can be considered in most cases a requirement to progress. Even then... likely not required for a general audience to understand the article's subject. —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Joeyconnick: I am still unclear as to how the sources I referenced fail to establish the notability of his height. You have yet to say anything about them and that was mainly what I was hoping to hear about.

I'm also not sure I agree with you here. Your determination that he is not in a profession where height could make or break [his] career is subjective, especially since the aforementioned sources are exclusively about how Elordi's height is unique in Hollywood, like the Vulture article, which contains the quote, "Still, some of those same insiders told me that in certain cases an actor's height can remain a deal-breaker." Generally remov[ing] height info from actors' pages is not an enshrined policy nor is it all-encompassing since plenty of articles about actors do include their heights when they are described by RSs as notable (i.e., Kristin Chenoweth, James Cromwell, Richard Moll) as is the case here. Saying that height is not notable for actors unless they modelled is not only untrue as per the previously linked actor BLPs and the fact that it is not policy but also a moot point anyway, since Elordi did attempt modeling, as is mentioned in his "Early life" section (Dolph Lundgren's exact height is not mentioned in his article, but his being tall is many times, specifically in relation to his attempts at modeling).

Moreover, if all we were looking for in a BLP was what was required for a general audience to understand the subject, then the article would stop at the lede. The vast majority of articles about his height do not "oh my gosh *swoon*" (as you put it) over his height and are relatively objective in their coverage of it, and arguing that we're not the entertainment press negates the fact that the sources relied on throughout the entire article to determine that he is notable are from the entertainment press. benǝʇᴉɯ 10:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Jacob Elordi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Benmite (talk · contribs) 06:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)·

Shortly will be reviewing this. Thanks for the contribution. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 09:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Lede

• Link the "Australian"
• he gained prominence with his role as Noah Flynn, the bad boy love interest in the The Kissing Booth film trilogy (2018–2021) on Netflix. Perhaps "he gained prominence for his role as Noah Flynn, in the Netflix film series The Kissing Booth (2018-2021)."
• He also became known for his main role as the troubled high school football player Nate Jacobs on the HBO teen drama series Euphoria (2019–present). This is vague and need reword plus following up with comma after the first sentence. Perhaps "Nate Jacobs in HBO's teen drama series Euphoria (2019–present).
• Link "HBO" as it is and unlink "teen drama".
• His film roles as Elvis Presley in the biopic Priscilla and as a wealthy university student in Saltburn (both 2023) brought him wider recognition and earned him critical praise Reword perhaps "In 2023, he starred in several films including biopic Priscilla as Elvis Presley and a university wealthy student Felix Catton in Saltburn, which earned him a nominee for the 2023 BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role." Also see my exact linking.
• Consider removing this phrase "brought him wider recognition and earned him critical praise".
• Lede is okay but I will say it's short and didn't summarize the whole article (especially the important ones). Do add like his birth, starting, role, etc.

Now the lede is good, to the next section "Early life"

• Jacob Elordi was born on 26 June 1997 find the common name (first name)
• Place comma after the "June"
• Link together like Brisbane, Queensland and not differently
• Unlink "working class"; no need or impact.
• family consisting of his parents—John, a house painter who spent 13 years building the family's house, and Melissa, a stay-at-home mother and one-time cafeteria employee at Jacob's school—one older brother, and three older sisters. Reword perhaps "...to working class family. His father John Elordi was a painter who immigrated to Australia from the Basque Country at 8 and the mother Melissa Elordi, was a former cafeteria attendant at Jacob's school—his elder brother and three sisters." Do not link anything as they are unnecessary
• Link "Australia" and "Basque Country"
• While a player on his school's rugby team, Elordi performed in school musicals starting at age 12, starring in productions of Seussical and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and he soon began taking acting classes. Reword perhaps "While playing for his school's rugby team at 12, he also started in the production of Seussical and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which prompted him to take acting classes."
• He has stated that he was first inspired to become an actor by Heath Ledger, particularly because of his role in the 2008 film The Dark Knight. He also played Oberon in a school production of A Midsummer Night's Dream. Reword and paraphrased perhaps will say, "He started with playing the role of Oberon in a play in his school entitled same as William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. He stated being influenced by Heath Ledger after watching him in the 2008 film The Dark Knight."
• Link Oberon and A Midsummer Night's Dream, also The Dark Knight
• At age 14, Elordi started practicing his American accent, modelling it after that of Vin Diesel. He attempted modelling at his mother's suggestion at age 15, but was told he was too tall to fit into the sample clothes. Reword pls or remove completely

• This Elordi attended the private Roman Catholic, all-boys secondary schools of St Kevin's College, Melbourne, and St Joseph's College, Nudgee, in Brisbane is too long. Cut and remove unnecessary word like "all-boys secondary schools of"
• Since the schools were linked; it will show the power of the reader to see it in the main article. Don't burden this one! Rather write "Elordi had his education at St Kevin's College, Melbourne and St Joseph's College, Nudgee in Brisbane, Queensland.
• Don't link "Brisbane, Queensland"

• • • Benmite: I can't take this inactivity. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@SafariScribe: I assumed you were going to finish making the edits and then put the review on hold. Reviewers typically give editors seven days to edit before turning down a GA. I'll get it to it later today but I would prefer a bit more warning next time. benǝʇᴉɯ 20:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Closing comment: I have listed that already but I saw your recent challenging times on Wikipedia and decided to reach you out. I will be failing this now just as you have said here and most probably, wish you recover back to your normal editing way. I am also noting that as "inactivity of the editor" maybe because if real-life stuff or personal issue. Thanks again for your relentless contributions to Wikipedia.Yiu can renominate this again when you are ready. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.