Talk:Interstate 24

Pulleys Mill

I think it may not be accurate to talk of the intersection with I-57 happening in Pulleys Mill, IL, as I do not believe Pulleys Mill is legally a separate village/town, any more. (USPS says it is NOT ACCEPTABLE, use Goreville ZIP 62939.)
I grew up in southern Illinois (Union County) and have family in Goreville and some of the smaller towns in Johnson and Williamson counties. I will be contacting my family who still live in the area for confirmation.
At the present time, I believe Pulleys Mill is basically just a wide spot in the road on IL Route 37, north of Goreville. I believe the only building of note is a livestock auction house.
Depending on how you want it phrased, I think it would be better to say the junction happens south of Marion, IL (which I-57 runs through) or north of Goreville, IL (which lies between I-24 and I-57. You can get to it from either one, but you have to take local roads.) (I am also putting this in the Talk:Interstate_57 page.) (forgot to give edit summary) VikÞor [[User talk:Vik-Thor|Talk]] 18:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

HOV lanes

In the portion SE of downtown Nashville from near I-440 to near State Highway 840, it has an HOV lane in each direction. Jon 20:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

External links

I'd like to know exactly how adding a link to an Interstate 24 page that I maintain counts as "spam." My page is perfectly valid and well-researched, and provides more information that Wikipedia's I-24 page doesn't list. Frankly, if my page isn't "good enough" for inclusion as an external link, neither should the other one be. --Larrysphatpage 07:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I've looked at the page and don't think it's spam, but you might need to call it something else so people can take a second look... —Rob (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a link to be avoided. See Talk:Interstate 59. —C.Fred (talk) 21:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In the current situation for I-24, the link may stand, because another editor deemed it worthy of inclusion and added it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Georgia Stretch

I fixed information pertaining to the Georgia stretch of 24, based on my own travel from Nashville to Chattanooga. I am still in the area at this point. If you would like video or photographic evidence, I can provide. In any case, is this the only interstate that does this? I'm a Road Warrior recently, and I haven't seen anything of the sort anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandora Xero (talk • contribs) 04:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I-124 Pic over Olgiati

Since I-124 doesn't exist and there is no interstate (much less I-24) going over the Olgiati Bridge, should this not be removed?

KY exit list

I'm posting this here for now, but it should be placed on Interstate 24 in Kentucky when that article is created. Also, it should be converted to use {{KYint}} to line up with the formatting required by MOS:RJL. Imzadi 1979 → 22:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

County	Location	mi	km	Exit	Destinations	Notes
Interstate 24 Bridge over the Ohio River (state line)
McCracken	Paducah			3	KY 305 – Paducah
				4	US 60 / I-24 Bus. east – Paducah, Wickliffe	Western terminus of I-24 Bus.
				7	US 62 to US 45 – Bardwell, Mayfield	Eastbound exit and westbound entrance
				7	US 45 to US 62 – Bardwell, Mayfield	Westbound exit and eastbound entrance
				11	KY 1954 / I-24 Bus. west – Paducah	Eastern terminus of I-24 Bus.
				16	US 68 – Paducah
Marshall				25	Purchase Parkway to US 62 – Fulton, Calvert City	Signed as exits 25A (south) and 25B (north); south end of I-69 overlap
				27	US 62 – Kentucky Dam
Livingston				31	KY 453 – Smithland, Grand Rivers
Lyon				40	US 62 / US 641 – Eddyville, Kuttawa
	Eddyville			42	I-69 north / Western Kentucky Parkway east – Princeton, Elizabethtown	East end of I-69 overlap; western terminus of Western Kentucky Pkwy.
				45	KY 293 – Princeton
Caldwell				56	KY 139 – Princeton, Cadiz
Trigg				65	US 68 / KY 80 – Cadiz, Hopkinsville
Christian				73	KY 117 – Newstead, Gracey
				81	Pennyrile Parkway – Hopkinsville, Henderson	Southern terminus of Pennyrile Pkwy.
				86	US 41 Alt. – Hopkinsville, Fort Campbell
	Oak Grove			89	KY 115 – Pembroke, Oak Grove
Kentucky-Tennessee State Line I-24 continues into Tennessee
1.000 mi = 1.609 km; 1.000 km = 0.621 mi

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Merger discussion

The relevant merger discussion is located at WT:USRD: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads#Interstate_24_merger. –Fredddie™ 20:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Tennessee section split

After reviewing multiple interstate highway articles, I think there is a consensus that the stretch of I-24 in Tennessee is acceptable for a standalone article. At 181 miles long and passing through three major cities, it contains more article-worthy information than many state-level interstate segments. I totally understand the objection that such a split would screw up this article. However, the draft I have been working on has expanded the Tennessee section by probably about tenfold since the 2015 merger, and thus, the current state could get a bit long and disorganized. The Kentucky stretch is also arguably worthy of a state- level article; however, due to the short length of the Illinois stretch, I would be open to combining them into a subarticle titled "Interstate 24 in Illinois and Kentucky". There also seems to be a consensus that a subarticle about the Tennessee and Georgia segment does not need to be titled "Interstate 24 in Tennessee and Georgia". As such, I am going by to boldly perform this split, as I have greatly expanded the draft to a state where there seems to be an established consensus is acceptable for a state-level article. I do, however, plan to make some additional improvements in the very near future, such as the addition of photos and more history. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:29, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I think this should be discussed before it is unilaterally performed. I don't think there's the consensus that you may think is present, so a discussion may be in order first. Imzadi 1979 → 09:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

What I meant was that there seems to be a consensus that such a topic as the stretch of I-24 in Tennessee is worthy of a standalone article. The 2015 merger was conducted when the Tennessee article only contained information about Monteagle Monutain and a 2010 sinkhole, the latter of which probably no one knows about now. There also seems to be an agreement that the Georgia segment is negligible (not unimportant), and therefore making the split title acceptable. As the second longest interstate highway in the state and arguably the second-most important highway, it would be hard to argue that a subarticle isn't acceptable, especially considering all of the extensive history and unusual facts about the Tennessee stretch. With about 57% of the length in Tennessee, this isn't quite the same situation as, say, Interstate 57 or Interstate 82; the combined sections in Kentucky and Illinois are still significant. Bneu2013 (talk) 11:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Again, the consensus you think is there simply isn't there. –Fredddie™ 18:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted the split, as it was merged by a consensus in the first place. BilCat (talk) 04:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to undo this, as the current state of the article is not comparable to that during the split. Invoking this argument is on the category of WP:LASTTIME, and not an accurate comparison. Bneu2013 (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Reveted. Do you want to try for 3RR? There still isn't a consensus here to split it, that's what others have been telling you. Make a case for splitting and see what happens. BilCat (talk) 05:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@BilCat: - For clarity, here's a link to the merger discussion (I got the date wrong; it was 2016, not 2015). While there was consensus to merge the articles at the time due to their poor states, many editors commented that they would support a fork in the future if the state level sections were greatly expanded and improved. As mentioned above, this has happened to the Tennessee section since this merger, and I hope to improve the Illinois and Kentucky sections in the near future. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think that it is improved enough. For one, a lot more text is needed; Interstate 8, a FA, is still one article. --Rschen7754 05:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Rschen7754: - you're not looking at the right article; this is the most recent diff of the Tennessee level article, prior to BilCat's reversion. And as someone pointed out in the 2016 discussion, I-8 is not an accurate comparison to I-24, passing through two states instead of four. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that what's being lost in this is that the number of states is not a magic threshold to splitting an article. There has to be enough content - on both sides of the split article. Take out Tennessee and there's not much left on the other side. And the diff you point to - the RD seems a touch long to me, and the History seems to be heavily weighted towards the present. --Rschen7754 16:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that the length of the Tennessee RD in the TN fork wouldn't necessarily be bad if it were merged into this article, but the accompanying text in Illinois and Kentucky would need to be expanded proportionally. –Fredddie™ 20:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm currently working on the entire article, including expanding the Illinois and Kentucky sections. But it's going to get long; likely too long. That is the main reason I had sought the split in the first place. A similar situation could occur with Interstate 59 if that article were drastically improved. While I am working on the earlier history, I will point out that I-24 in Tennessee has seen a lot of construction projects in recent years (in my opinion, not enough, actually), and so there is naturally going to be information about that. I'm planning on adding a predecessor highways section, and am still working on finding out the exact completion dates for a few sections (this may take me a month or two). The Illinois and Kentucky sections do not appear to have had any major post-completion projects, other than interchange-related work for the concurrency with I-69. Bneu2013 (talk) 03:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of "briefly" in section header about Georgia

I have removed the word "briefly" from the subsection of the RD titled "Georgia, briefly", and this change was reverted. Another editor removed the word again, and it was then re-added. I think the word is superfluous and serves no benefit to readers. Needforspeed888 (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I think it's useful to denote that I-24 is only in Georgia briefly. It distinguishes it from the other states where it has longer distances. Imzadi 1979 → 00:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. BilCat (talk) 00:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I think the way the adverb comes after the state is too colloquial. What about "Brief section in Georgia"? --Rschen7754 00:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

"Brief section in Georgia" works for me. Needforspeed888 (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Fine with me too. BilCat (talk) 02:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

That's too verbose. Briefly is fine. –Fredddie™ 03:11, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Agreed that the current is fine. None of the others have the word "section" in the subheadings. Imzadi 1979 → 07:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Considering how short the Georgia segment is, I feel like we should combine it with the Chattanooga segment. Bneu2013 (talk) 03:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm OK with "Georgia and Chattanooga" as it is at the moment. It's succinct. –Fredddie™ 13:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

That seems to be causing more confusion, as shown in the section below. BilCat (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Proof that this highway is not alone??

This highway has 4 miles or so in Georgia. But for the purpose of organizing its sections, this article is supposed to pretend that the number of miles it has in Georgia is not 4, but exactly 0. Is there another interstate highway Wikipedia is supposed to treat in a similar way?? Georgia guy (talk) 10:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

What are you talking about? –Fredddie™ 13:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The section for this highways segment in Tennessee and Georgia is labelled as if it were all Tennessee. Georgia guy (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The one labeled "Georgia and Chattanooga"? –Fredddie™ 14:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Note that the higher-level heading says "Tennessee". This means it's about the Tennessee segment, and this is defined as the whole of the segment, including the brief part that's in Georgia. Georgia guy (talk) 15:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Let us quote the ToC:

• Route description
  • Illinois
  • Kentucky
  • Tennessee
    • Clarksville and Western Highland Rim
    • Nashville metro area
    • Eastern Nashville Basin and Eastern Highland Rim
    • Monteagle Mountain and Cumberland Plateau gorge
  • Georgia and Chattanooga
• History

So as you can see, the "Tennessee" heading is L3, as is the "Georgia and Chattanooga" heading. It isn't "higher level" as you put it, Georgia guy. Imzadi 1979 → 01:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I think Georgia guy is asking if another situation exists where an interstate highway briefly dips into another state before reemerging into the former. I know of no other situation where this exists on a "mainline" interstate highway, but someone please correct me if I am wrong. There seems to be a weak consensus that the Georgia segment should not be given equal weight to that of the Tennessee section. Imzadi1979 has previously referred to the Georgia segment as "negligible", however, I think that they would agree with me that this doesn't mean it should be dismissed as unimportant. Similar views were expressed in the merger discussion. And lastly, Sphilbrick, when moving "Interstate 24 in Tennessee and Georgia" to "Interstate 24 in Tennessee" prior to the merger, used the edit summary: "a state with such a short distance of the combined length does not need equal billing". I still think that the "Georgia and Chattanooga" section should be a subsection of the Tennessee section, due to the Georgia segment's short (but important) length, as well as the fact that Chattanooga is not a state, and not to give the Chattanooga segment undue weight over the other segments in Tennessee. I also don't think that the Georgia and Chattanooga segments should be given separate subsections. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:25, 2 June 2022 (UTC)