Talk:Infinity on High/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

• I am tempted to quick-fail, but since you've waited so long, I'll give you week to make the required changes. The "Citation tags" are unacceptable; you need to source everything. Several sections have poor grammar, and are just plain disorganized. Additionally, several need expansion. The second image fails NFCC, as there is no rational for its inclusion (I'll be removing that myself). Also, sections like "Accolades" is a bit ridiculous. Half a sentence for a section? I'd rate you at about a 60% to GA, so you have a lot of work. You have one week. Good luck. If you have additional questions of inquiries, feel free to post them here.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 04:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing, but I am confused about what you want me to fix. What image are you talking about that you are removing? Also, what do you want me to change about the grammar and organization? Please be more specific. Basilisk4u (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

"Several sections have poor grammar, and are just plain disorganized." Could you point out where? They seem perfect to me. Just charting needs expansion... Noreplyhaha (talk) 14:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

• Sure, I'll be more specific.
• Per the article's length, the lead should really be longer. It only summarizes its critical and chart success, and nothing about its music or direction. I think a middle paragraph is necessary, discussing maybe the promotion they did for the album, as well as its music and lyrics and/or inspiration.

 Done. Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC) I created another paragraph, let me know if you feel it can be improved.

• Next, the alternative cover serves no extra purpose. From what I'm aware, it doesn't really have significant mention in the article, so there is no sufficient rational. Disorganization; the photo by the background in messily placed. Try and format it, and move it around (especially after the alt covers removal).

 Done. Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC) I agree.

• Prose can be better. Please have a thorough read-through and try and better them as much as possible. Simple things like "The band's label, Island Records, underwent changes while the band prepared to record, which postponed the recording schedule for three weeks." (band, band, record, record).

Working on this. Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

• Maybe an audio sample would be beneficial (or two) for the music and lyrics section, discussing the most important tracks and their melodies and instrumentation etc (see The Emancipation of Mimi for an example of a GA-Class and complete album article).

I actually do not know very much about using audio samples. I may have to get help from another user with this, so please bear with me on this one. Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I can help you with that. Give me maybe two songs that you discuss the most in depth in the article (not commercially, musically) and tell me what parts of the song you want. I can upload them.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I think the two songs that would be good to discuss would be "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race", (from 0:09 to 0:30) and "I'm Like a Lawyer with the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me & You)" (from 0:00 to 0:21) That would be awesome! Basilisk4u (talk) 15:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Where should I get the files? Basilisk4u (talk) 17:58, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Simple MoS issues (only 10 reviews are allowed in the chart, several are unreliable so shouldn't be an issue).

Fixed the chart, are there any more problems? Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

• Now, several unreliable and poorly formatted references. Again, look at Mimi for that, I'll give you some examples. #6 should not be in italics, as it is an online source (and you're missing the publisher). Why are 10 ad 11 different if they are the same website? Honestly, issues in every source. What makes 13 and 17 reliable?

Fixed the ones you mentioned here, I replaced 13 and 17. Basilisk4u (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

There you go for now. As you see, you have some work to do. Good luck!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

• Important - Okay. The two files have been uploaded. I trust you know how, but they need rationals (both) for their usage. Add them to each file page, and then as a description in the article on why the sample is needed. As I said, the sources still need a lot of attention.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:50, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I have done the rationales and descriptions. Also, I have been comparing the sources on this page to the ones on The Emancipation of Mimi and I am having a bit of a hard time seeing the differences on a lot of them. But I totally see that you are doing a lot right now (with all your other GA reviews/nominations) so please take your time and thanks for the review so far!  :) Basilisk4u (talk) 03:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm very impressed with your descriptions for the samples. Well done. Now we'll continue:

• You mention several different release dates in the infobox, yet don't see anything regarding this in the actual body. Even if you place it, no need to stack all that info there. Simply link us to a "release history" chart. Post the first date it was released, and then
  (see release history)
• Now, as for the references. Look at Mimi and Control+F and search for the sources there. You will see the differences. Compare #s 9, 10, 13, 16, 19, 25, 26. Know that published newspapers need to use "Cite news" not "Cite web. It makes the publisher appear in parenthesis. Also, the charting sources need changing too, as well as the fact that several references towards the end are missing accessdates
• The commercial reception section needs expanding. From that, you should have two decent sections. A "Commercial performance" and "Singles" section. List other certifications and chart positions for other countries aside from the US in the prose. Also, you will need to expand the singles part as well
• After you make these fixes you are going to need someone not familiar with this topic to do a copy-edit. The prose need work. I suggest using the GOCE (Guild of Copy-Editors).--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
• These changed and fixed need to be made. I'll give you until 9/7. Until then, I hope major progress, prose and reference wise are made (in addition to said points).--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

How's the lead introduction? Noreplyhaha (talk) 07:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

So. The article is coming along nicely. This is what I would say still needs to be done before a pass. You need to source the "Singles" section, and remove non-neutral words like "success" etc. Also, the commercial section could still use a little boost in terms of format. List the certification agencies when discussing Platinum and Gold certifications; (RIAA), (BPI) (but spell them out, look at Mimi). Once again, they look better, but look through each ref, and compare them to Mimi and fix them; examples are the usage of "Cite News" and "Cite Web" (I explained the differences on the talk page of User: Jivesh boodhun, take a look. Also, some works and publishers need fixing. Lastly, read through the article (after the above things have been addressed) and thoroughly read it and copy0edit it to the best of your ability. I think after that, you'r looking at a GA :). Get to it, you have until Sunday at most! (I'm going to be leaving).--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:58, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued efforts in reviewing and contributions! For the track listing, since the other versions are mentioned, should it list the bonus tracks? (The bonuses and the Australian Platinum Tour Edition are in the history of the page before it was rewritten) Noreplyhaha (talk) 09:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, if there is another version hat was notable with additional tracks, it should be mentioned with an additional collapsible track listing. Look at Mimi for how to do it.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I went through the page's history and found the bonus tracks, do we need to put the tracks on the DVDs that were included with special editions of the CD? Basilisk4u (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Bonus Tracks

I am putting the bonus tracks here for now for my reference.

1. "G.I.N.A.S.F.S." (UK & Australia Bonus Track) - 3:15

2. "It's Hard to Say "I Do", When I Don't" (Japan Bonus Track) - 3:24

3. "Dance, Dance" (Latin America Bonus Track) - 3:00

DVD

1. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Live on AOL)

2. "The Take Over, the Breaks Over" (Live on AOL)

3. "Thriller" (Live on AOL)

4. "Sugar, We're Goin Down" (Live on AOL)

5. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Music video)

6. "Thnks fr th Mmrs" (Music video)

7. ""The Take Over, the Breaks Over"" (Music video)

Deluxe Limited Edition Bonus CD

1. "G.I.N.A.S.F.S."

2. "It's Hard to Say "I Do", When I Don't"

3. "Dance, Dance" (Live)

4. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Live)

5. "Thriller" (Live)

Australian and New Zealand "Platinum Edition" CD/DVD

1. "Thriller" – 3:29

2. ""The Take Over, The Breaks Over"" – 3:33

3. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" – 3:32

4. "I'm Like a Lawyer with the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me & You)" – 3:31

5. "Hum Hallelujah" – 3:50 (Leonard Cohen)

6. "Golden" – 2:32 (Wesley Eisold)

7. "Thnks fr th Mmrs" – 3:21

8. "Don't You Know Who I Think I Am?" – 2:51

9. "The (After) Life of the Party" – 3:21

10. "The Carpal Tunnel of Love" – 3:23 (Eisold)

11. "Bang the Doldrums" – 3:31 (Eisold)

12. "Fame < Infamy" – 3:06

13. "You're Crashing, but You're No Wave" – 3:42

14. "I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers" – 4:06

15. "G.I.N.A.S.F.S."

Bonus

1. "It's Hard to Say "I Do", When I Don't"

2. "Golden (Live)

3. "Dance, Dance" (Live)

4. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Live)

5. "Our Lawyer Made Us Change The Name Of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" (Live)

6. "Thriller" (Live)

DVD

1. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Music video)

2. ""The Take Over, the Breaks Over"" (Music video)

3. "Thnks fr th Mmrs" (Music video)

4. "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" (Live on AOL)

5. "The Take Over, the Breaks Over" (Live on AOL)

6. "Thriller" (Live on AOL)

7. "Sugar, We're Going Down" (Live on AOL)

I'm going to put them in the article as a collapsible thing later soon. Basilisk4u (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

For the Australian and New Zealand Platinum Edition, the track listing names are slightly different to the original release and I have no idea why this is, although in the lyric booklet the titles are the original ones. I wrote about the differences on the discussion page a while ago. Source: I have the Platinum edition. As for international bonus tracks, "GINASFS" might have been released in other countries besides just the UK and Australia, namely New Zealand. Japan bonus track is "GINASFS" as well as "It's Hard to Say "I Do," When I Don't." (http://hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3520233) The US Deluxe Edition was in Digipak format, I'm not sure if it was also available as standard edition Digipak. On eBay I've seen a UK version Digipak...lots of different versions it's confusing. Also, on the discussion page there is more about the bonuses. "GINASFS" is also a Best Buy bonus and "It's Hard to Say..." for Wal-Mart along with a special cover. Noreplyhaha (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Good Article!

I've noticed that Infinity on High just reached Good Article status, that's so awesome! I'd like to especially thank Basilisk4u for all her hard work in writing most the page and making it as it is now, it wouldn't be there without you; you would do the Fall Out Boy members proud too haha. The page is amazing as is the album. I'd also like extend my appreciation to Petergriffin9901 for reviewing and providing lots of guidance on getting the page to GA. Maybe might collaborate again when you review other pages or even Infinity to Feature Article. I'm still be interested in further improving it, there's still more work that could be done. Noreplyhaha (talk) 09:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Still missing... When did FOB announce first single "...Arms Race"? Was it after their AMA performance? What would help: More tours (I know they did Aus) and TV+festivals appearances. Noreplyhaha (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)