Talk:Gareth Bale/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Bale's Disease

Can anyone find a reference to this outside of wikipedia, as i'm sure i've heard this before from a reliable source that he is a sufferer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.8.151 (talk) 13:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Nuetral Point of view

I've tagged the Southampton section with a WP:NPOV as there are a number of opinionated claims that I have previously removed, which have been repeatedly re-instated. In particular, I believe the following statement in particular fails Wikipedia NPOV policy:
<quote>This capped an "incredible" first full season as a professional footballer in which he was one of the Saints' "most creative players even (though operating) from the left-back position whilst his defending improved immeasurably as the season progressed"</quote>
Whilst this is at least now cited (albeit in a local rag only verifiable by those living near Southampton), the statement does not contain facts, merely an opinion expressed by a non expert local editor of a local paper who would appear to be a fan of Gareth Bale. On what basis was his season "incredible"? who says he was "the Saints most creative players", what is the foundation for the claim his "defending improved immeasurably"? .--ClubOranje (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

References

I've edited the section for neutrality. I removed the description of the goal as the tone didn't sound encyclpedic at all, and I removed a few adjectives that could be seen as POV too. I removed that quote for the reason you stated above. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It hardly constitutes a "neutral" point of view to refer to any newspaper as a "local rag", especially when you indicate you have not seen it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.241.158 (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Dual Nationality

It would be useful to know if Gareth Bale has dual nationality with the possibilty with playing for one of the other British teams. Comparisions to Ryan Giggs, who played for England U-21 then Wales International, demonstrate the malleability of selecting alleigance. Does anyone know if he has expressed a desire to play for England or has he declared alleigance to Wales?

Bobbyfletch85 21:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• He's not English or wants to play for England. Keep dreaming. 81.154.133.162 18:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

He's already played for the Wales senior team, so even if he did have dual nationaly, he would not be eligable to play for any other country.

User:anon 18:11, 14th February 2007

On a side note Giggs could not have played for the full England national side. He was only eligible to play for the England schools' team because he went to school there. To play for the England national football team, he would have needed to have been born in England or have had English parents or grandparents. However, both his parents and all four grandparents are Welsh. (See the Ryan Giggs Wikipedia page for more info.

Kurt000 17:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

In a football sense 'dual nationality' meaning to play for two teams?

In a proper sense 'nationality' can only be that of the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as English nationality, Welsh nationality, etc. Citizens of the UK are nationals of the UK, not the constituent 'nations'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.38.20 (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Ryan Giggs moved with his family to Manchester when he was 6yrs old, The amount of time he spent in England before turning pro would have been enough for him to play for England. John Barnes moved to England from Jamaca when he was 13 and that was enough to play for England so Giggs certainly could have and should have played for England. By the time Giggs played for the Man Utd senior team at 17, he'd lived in England for 11yrs and Wales for 6yrs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.98.224 (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

But there is an agreement between the home nations that they do not poach players from the others, unless they've a genuine case for being considered 'dual'. It's a murky area, though. John Barnes wasn't born in Britain, so he was up for grabs. Giggs was born in Wales to Welsh parents so wouldn't have been considered by the FA for full England honours. Interestingly, I believe that players from the Channel Islands can happily play for any of the four UK nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.207.5 (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Nickname

As a Southampton fan, I've never heard of Gareth referred to as Baley. As far as I know, he has no specific nickname so far. Perhaps this is something the Welsh fans call him? Can anyone confirm this, as if isn't his nickname, we'll have to remove it. Chris Larkin 14:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Spurs

How much did Spurs pay in the transfer? Was it £5m or 10m? Also what squad number will he wear, or is this yet to be finalised? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.168.182 (talk • contribs)

It's £4m now and £6m later like a lot of deals now. Spurs tend to be very logical with the numbers. I'd guess he'd take over the number five which was vacated by Edger Davids last season. There are a lot of gaps in the 20's and 30's as well but Martin Jol seems to prefer to have the players he has brought in wearing the traditanal numbers. Although there are some exeptions noteably Lennon Djarra 19:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, but how do you know it was £4m plus 6 later. And what is the 6 dependent on? Maybe a number 3 shirt, as he is a left-back, and Lee could leave. (86.133.184.134 20:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC))

The fact that Bale has never won a game for Spurs, in over one and a half seasons, despite earning a new contract, is surely now worthy of inclusion. All references to this are continually removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonc1 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Generally because they're unreferenced and poorly written. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I have removed my own comment, as a better referenced entry has been made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonc1 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Nationality

No, I used to be in Bale's class in Whitchurch High - and he could only play for Wales. His family are from Cardiff going back to greta grandfather. =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.249.23 (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is it relevant to detail the nationality of his grandparent and how this could, hypothetically, have made him eligible to play for England? Unless there is some dispute as to his eligibility to represent his national team of choice, this is surely not necessary. For example, there is no mention on Jermain Defoe's page that he would have been eligible to play for the St Lucia National Football Team through his grandparents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.33.119.64 (talk) 09:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Not winning a game at Spurs

It's incorrect to say that Gareth Bale has never won a game with Spurs because last October, when Spurs beat Blackburn, he was playing in that game, thus, he has won a game with Spurs.--78.148.4.111 (talk) 17:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The game you are talking about was on 23rd November 2008, not in October. However Bale was not in the team that day, sub may be but did not take part as far as I can see.Tmol42 (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Gareth Bale's height

I put Bale's height at 1.80m from the Premier League website. This was reverted to 1.83m by an anonymous editor who stated that Premier League was not reliable. A Google search came up with 1.8m, 1.83m and 6 feet. I believe that any height should be documented from a reliable source. Any suggestions? Michael Glass (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

The FA Website is notoriously unreliable. It puts Tom Huddlestone's weight at 70.82 KGS, or 11 stone 2 lbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.241.158 (talk) 18:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely convinced that the Premier League are right - he certainly looks nearer 6 foot; it's a pity that the Spurs website doesn't give player heights. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't comment on that. The difference is between 1.80m and 1.83m or between 5'11" and 6', so it really isn't all that noticeable. Frankly, I don't care either way, as long as the height is attributed to a reliable source. Michael Glass (talk) 22:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Gareth Bale height

This discussion has been copied from the Football Project talk page. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

There are various sources for many players' heights, but I'm confused regarding Gareth Bale. At present the article lists him as being 1.83 m (6 ft 0 in), citing Soccernet. The Premier League website have him as 1.80m (5 ft 11 in) [2]. In a recent interview with Harry Redknapp, he referred to Bale as being 6 ft 2 in (1.89 m)[3]. I know that as a young man, he is still growing, but which should be used in the article? -- Daemonic Kangaroo(talk) 10:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Bale's UEFA 2011/12 Europa League profile gives1.86 m (6 ft 1 in). Presumably clubs supply UEFA with this sort of detail at the start of each European campaign, so it shows he was that height at the end of last season/start of this one. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I would go with the Redknapp interview. Mainly because it is the most recent but also because he does look about 6 ft 2.Adam4267 (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

"he does look about 6 ft 2"? From what perspective; on TV? sat in the stands? passing him on the street?. The Redknapp interview is the one I would definitely not use. I doubt very much whether Redknapp himself measured Bale, so whether his remark is just offhand (all tall people are "six foot two"), hearsay or he is repeating what he knows it is unreliable information. Premier League get it right on first registration but do not seem to update the information each year - we have had these discussions before - so I would take their number with a pinch of salt given Bale first registered as a 17 year old. Per Struway, latest tournament tends to be most reliable as they tend to start with a clean list of players for each tournament; but of course not all players are in tournaments every year. Personally I think height should be removed from the infobox as there are few consistently reliable sources, and unless the player is notably short or notably tall, who really cares. --ClubOranje^T19:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I have now amended the article to show his height as 1.86 m (6 ft 1 in) per the UEFA profile and copied this thread to the article's talk page. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Bias

I notice the dive against Arsenal to earn Spurs a penalty in their 5-2 loss last week has been removed even though it was a proven dive, Spurs bias administrator monitoring this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.202.226 (talk) 22:44, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I refuse to give this up, Bale's dive was obvious for all to see. Wikipedia is supposed to tell the truth, by removing Bale's dive it's concealing the truth? Does Wikipedia not want to tell the truth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.209.103 (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, accusing other editors of bias will achieve you nothing. Nor will trying to push your own opinions here or on the article page.Wikipedia deals with verifiable encyclopaedic conributions. My best advice is for you to count to 10 or perhaps 100 and move on.Tmol42 (talk) 20:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

So why is it okay for other dives by players to be left alone on pages but this one has to be removed? It's the truth, I can't see why it needs to be removed, unless Wikipedia doesn't want to appear biased against Bale? At the minute it's biased towards him. The dive stays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.209.103 (talk) 01:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Go on the James Perch article and you will see about his theatrical fall against Pepe Reina, that's just one of the many acts of cheating that's allowed on the pages of players yet Bale's isn't allowed on here? It's obvious the Spurs fan administator doesn't want it on here, I'm taking this all the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.204.145 (talk) 12:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I and other editors have reverted your repeated edits both today and on previous occaisions (under related IP addresses) because it is unencyclopaedic and does not conform with WP:NPOV. Your edit summaries appear to display that your motives for the edits are fueled by personal opinions which have also spilled over into the comments, above in this section, about other editors'.Tmol42 (talk) 15:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why my IP keeps changing, I'm not doing it but this is taken from my talk page:

"Well if my edits were this so called "POV" then why do other footballer pages have similar "POV" left untouched on them? There's no consistency, I would assume it's supposed to be the same for all? So why is my Factual, proven and reflected upon in the media text being removed? There's even a link to prove it, and the bias of other admins is obvious. Lastly, I put the word "Bias" at the top because on the request page it told me to put a little bit of text explaining why I've put the template it, which I notice has been removed for no reason. Bias is prevalent on this wiki it seems."

Can someone explain to me why other pages of atheletes have similar information on them but this one is interfered with every time? Also there are attempts to hide this bias by removing my template at the top to request another editor's input. 92.13.213.64 (talk) 15:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Kieran Gibbs clearly takes Bale's right leg out in the challenge you are referring to. You clearly have anger about the incident in question, but regardless of whether Bale chose to go down or not is irrelevant because the case for a penalty was stonewall. Please stop trying to push your own personal opinions on a Wiki article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.86.191 (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

How he became a left winger

In the style of play section it says that his skills made him change from left back to left wing. If I remember rightly, wasn't it because he wasn't very good as a full-back? Tottenham never won a match with him in the team and had only picked up 2 points from 8 games under Juande Ramos. Indiasummer95 (talk) 15:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

At Southampton, he was superb as a left-back. You will need to find a proper source before you can add anything to the article either regarding Spurs' record in his early days or the reasons for his change in position. And, don't forget, there are 11 players in a team, so you cannot heap all the blame for a team's poor performance on one player. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Squad Number

AT the beginning of the 2012 - 2013 season it was noted on the THFC website that gareth bale would wear the squad number 11 as opposed to his previous 3, this itself signifies a movement from him as a defensive minded squad number to a more attacking number. I have placed this on the article page but it seems a couple of people dont agree it is relevant. As a Spurs fan and a football fan i think it is rather a significant moment in a players career when at the same club they change their squad number especially after being there for a number of years. Asl9791 (talk) 17:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I must be looking at a different article to you. There is a whole section headed 'Style of play' which says how he has developed from a defensive player to midfield /winger player and more. In fact he has been playing as a winger for some time so the change of squad number is an irrelevancy not a 'significant moment'as is the reference to Danny Rose.Tmol42 (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

You dont need to tell me he has been playing as a winger for some time now, i do follow the team so i know that much thanks. The point is the fact he has been remaining as a number 3 has been a quandary for many spurs fans and as such it makes sense to have that as a defender. When you look at starting 11 players for an international team they are numbered from the back forwards - stating the obvious i know but you dont seem to want to grasp what i am saying. It is not an irrelevancy as a lot of people will look to their shirts and want to get the correct number on the back, and like i did after the newcastle match wanted to check had his number been changed. Though you may not think it is significant, in footballing terms it is quite a bit issue for players to change numbers. Take Ronaldo at Real, when he moved their his beloved no. 7 shirt was taken by Raul, when he left he changed to that shirt. if it is relevant for the player themselves to change and significant to them to have numbers then it is significant for us as fans to note when it happens. also with Bendtner at Arsenal 2 years ago, he changed from the No 25 shirt to no 52 because he wanted it, if it was so insignificant why did he offer to replace all those fans who had purchased a shirt at the previous number out of his own pocket. You may think it is irrelevant but it is clear from the precedent set by footballers themselves that shirt numbers to them are relevant and thus in this case it is extremely relevant. The reference to danny rose is also just to complete the fact to save people wanting to know "if bale is no 11 now who is no 3?". Just because you find it insignificant doesn't supersede those that feel it is significant.Asl9791 (talk) 19:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The place for squad numbers on players' articles is the info box. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a forum to resolve fans 'quandaries'(?), nor does it serve to provide sports outfitters with advice on kit specifications. In fact if one was rash enough to have relied on WP during the US pre-season tour there was a 50:50 chance one would now have a number 9 put on your Gareth Bale shirt - Such was the obsession of some 'fans'/ IPs to 'correct' the article based on no reliable sources! In sum WP does not work with synthetic precedents, unmportant information, personal beliefs and opinions, or other forms of original research. Tmol42 (talk) 11:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

If you did pay attention to the THFC website, they categorically stated that fans should not follow the preseason tour squad numbers as they were not going to be the ones for the coming season, so that point is wholly irrelevant from you. The fact is this is your opinion that it is unimportant, which i contest. This is not a personal belief nor an opinion. This is original research and is factual in its basis and as such can be utilised as encyclopedic content about the history of the player. If it weren't relevant at all and was unimportant it wouldn't have it listed as a squad number in the info box - a box which contains all of the most relevant information summarised. You are the one who is basing the deletion of such information on personal beliefs and opinion as outlined in your final statement. In sum, your argument cannot stand as all the information given by myself is factual not based on opinion nor personal belief. Asl9791 (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know, there are other users here who agree with Tmol42. As I have said in an edit summary deleting the disputed content, "this is far too trivial to warrant inclusion". Just get over it and move on - I can't believe that so much time can be spent on such a minor poiint. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You may agree with that but your argument that it is trivial is exactly as stated above - opinion and personal belief. What i am putting in the profile is of factual basis and whether you like it or not if you find it that minor, with all due respect, you should be the one to leave it and move on. You are the people making an issue about something not me. I am trying to keep a contemporaneous record of the player and his time at tottenham. You are allowing your personal beliefs and opinions influence this. I can't believe the hypocrisy of both of you in your arguments. You have absolutely no basis on the ethos of Wikipedia itself.Asl9791 (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you point to another article which puts so much importance on a change in squad number? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Wayne rooney - listed on wikipedia, in the 2007 - 2009 section it lists his number changing to the number 10 shirt. Niklas Bendtner - start of the 2009 - 2010 season Gareth bale - there is a surprise - in the section 2008 - 2009, listing him being given the number 3 shirt. Christiano Ronaldo - Stated in the history of his 2009-2010 season he took the number 7 shirt Antonio Valencia - for this current season 2012 - 2013 the main subject for that section being added is the fact his shirt number has changed to the number 7. I can find more but i think the point has been made that it is relevant to people on here as that many already have sections, including Gareth bale himself about his previous shirt number change. You would have to justify going to change all of these sections. Perhaps you will now put your opinions and personal beliefs be put aside and allow for the section to be returned, it is not going to be the only topic of the 2012-13 season, but as it stands it is the only pertinente and relevant factual information that will have changed since the previous season. The precedent has been set by all the above articles, including this article itself and being that it is already there listed with the previous change there cannot be anymore debate into the matter Asl9791 (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Some of these references to squad numbers may have merit only in relation to their partiular circumstances. The others frankly have no merit and do not warrant mention when measured against the standards set by WP. However, regardless of this WP does not operate like case law in setting presidents which then dictate or determine the content of, or rules by which, other articles are written. WP operates by concensus and by following policies and guidelines. Your proposition here amounts to original research and in any case the storyline fails to meet what passes as encyclopaedicTmol42 (talk) 20:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

From what i understand of your last statement you are clutching at straws to have your opinion carry through on this matter. The fact is, this article itself has a previous statement relating to a previous shirt number change, that being said, for contemporaneous records to be kept and in keeping with the current Bio of this player alone, a future shirt change should be noted. I would like to point out that, again, with your reference to the merit of the other players shirt changes is once again your matter of opinion and personal belief. Which as you have outlined is against the ethos under which WP works. As i have stated from the start, this is FACT, this cannot be argued. The only thing you are arguing is the merit of its inclusion based on your opinion - which WP does not cater for Asl9791 (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thing is I'm not writing down my opinions as an editor of the article like you are. I am referring to WP policies and applying them to the statement you made on the article. I just noticed now you have added some text back in. The reference to squad number changing is at least factual as worded if not exactly newsworthy and having dropped all the stuff about it being a 'turning point in GBs development etc etc and is now cited so its pleasing to see you have turned a corner. Frankly, the bit about Danny Rose is of no consequence and I would normally just revert it but perhaps I will give you the chance to lose it. Frankly all the stuff about the absence from the GB team has gone way too far OTT but will leave the heat to go out of it and editors to loose interest in it before editing down to the bare facts and more appropriate content level for WP.Tmol42 (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I have to say, though you have noted that it is factual as worded and newsworthy, i find it quite patronising the tone you use. I never once included any information about it being a turning point in his career on the page itself, only on the talk page here to discuss the change of squad number to one usually associated with a defender to a more attacking player. Also, when you first reverted it due to lack of citation, i then did cite the appropriate source immediately. Other than that, on the whole it reads like it did from the very first time i posted it - with the exception of the addition that VDV used to wear the number 11. i shall happily remove the number 3 shirt reference to Danny rose, i dont contest that it may not be wholly relevant. However i do contest that you make out like i have 'turned a corner' when it is you in fact, that is acknowledging that the original pretence in which the article was added to with factual basis was correct in the first instance. I had nothing to do with the GB team and i dont care for that i agree its OTT. I appreciate the fact that you have acknowledged that the information is factual and relevant. Asl9791 (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Have to agree with you on the GB information, just had a quick read of that. Definitely needs reducing down to relevant content. Asl9791 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Individual honours

I was just going to add his player of the month award, but is it me, or does that section just look messy? Govvy (talk) 13:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Every award should be cited which can make it look messy. Apart from that, it looks fine to me. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Position as of 2013

Noticed it has position as Winger, however since around the time of Boxing Day 2012 fixture (4-0 win against Aston Villa) he plays behind the striker, whether you call that an attacking midfielder, playmaker or second striker? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.226.12 (talk) 21:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

His style is more like an inside forward rather than a winger. This is because he likes to go inside from wide position to a central position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.69.221 (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Gareth Bale

Page is nonsense, so what he scored against Man City. Is the fact he got injured against Basel relevant? You can't list all his injuries.

Rumours of joining Barcelona and Chelsea? Any sources?

He won a Man of The Match award - Seriously? I am suprised.

16 lines on Great Britain? He wasn't even in the squad. Surely something along the lines of "he was due to play Great Britain at the Olympics but had to pull out due to injury" is sufficient.

This article is a long and pointless one, it is heavily weighted to certain games and performance which in the context of things is totally irrelevant.

To sum up this article is like its written by one person who writes nothing for 1 months games and doesn't stop writing the next month. It needs to be more fluid and easier to read. Blanks need to be filled in and rubbish taken out.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CTFC(talk) 04:54, 24 April 2013‎ (UTC)

The Great Britain thing is significant because it received national media attention as some thought Bale was faking an injury as an excuse to not go to the Olympics. However, the injury was most likely genuine and Bale just got back to full fitness much earlier then expected. But because it was a matter of some controversy it deserves more attention then simply one line which does not divulge in the issue. I do agree that the page needs a lot more editing, Veryirregularuser (talk) 11:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Real Madrid

I'm pretty sure that ever since yesterday according to Spanish giant article LA MARCA, Gareth Bale is now officially playing for Real Madrid. I bealive he got transferred there for the amount of 93 million euros. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realmadrista88 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Nothing is official yet, so no edits can be made until the official announcement. --BiH (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Gareth Bale just scored a brace against Sevilla in a 7-3 win which I believe is a very important component of his early sporting life in Madrid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.118.211 (talk) 16:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 August 2013

gareth bale has recently made a switch to real madrid User:Djswag 04:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

References

 What part "very soon" in the URL lead you to believe it had actually been completed? Patience! We don't want another Willian situation! Stephenb (Talk) 06:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 August 2013

Tommy1998scott (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC) Gareth bale joins real madrid from tottenham for £86.16 million €101 million euros on a £300,000 a week contract

Not yet he hasn't. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 August 2013

Tommy1998scott (talk) 22:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC) Gareth bale is a player who plays for spanish club real madrid

Not yet he isn't. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing to be gained by adding this info now. While it does look a done deal, it could still fall through over the transfer fee or be postponed. We've been reverting similar changes on the Spanish wiki since at least April.

For a comparable case, see Martin Jol. In July 2010, it looked certain that he would take over at Fulham. Users jumped the gun and we had to revert them. In the end, despite, as here, personal terms being agreed, the deal fell through and he didn't join them for another year. This is why we have nothing to lose by waiting a couple of days. Valenciano (talk) 07:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

we now have a source for 85 million pounds http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23538218 please edit the page or unprotect it. 77.97.141.75 (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The page has already been updated. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Price

Many media sources report the transfer was 91 million euros (example Agence France Presse: http://sports.ndtv.com/football/news/213406-granted-bale-now-spain-wants-results); while British papers say it was 100 (85 million pounds). Why the only sources here say 100? it should say price is not disclosed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.126.186.17 (talk) 17:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess a number should not be added until more sources with #'s pop up later on... Kante4 (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Bale price was €91.000.000 (£78.000.000):

• http://www.marca.com/2013/09/01/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1378058627.html
• http://www.expansion.com/2013/09/01/entorno/1378061936.html
• http://cincodias.com/cincodias/2013/08/23/sentidos/1377284463_900616.html
• http://noticias.lainformacion.com/deporte/futbol/bale-es-oficialmente-nuevo-jugador-del-real-madrid-a-cambio-de-91-millones-de-euros_LIqA7FwbRdsM0kkiuoJsJ3/
• http://www.cadenaser.com/deportes/articulo/real-madrid-paga-91-millones-gareth-bale-cobrara-millones-temporada/csrcsrpor/20130901csrcsrdep_22/Tes
• http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/futbol/noticias/5105368/08/13/El-Real-Madrid-cierra-por-fin-el-precio-de-Bale-91-millones-por-el-gales.html
• http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/noticias/20130830/abci-madrid-asegura-tener-cerrado-201308301809.html

--95.122.153.45 (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Whatever the price is it shouldn't be listed in US Dollars. Either GBP or EUR would be suitable - ideally both. Sue De Nimes (talk) 22:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Madrid paid a record €100 million (£85 million/$132 million) according to the English press, while the Spanish press are reporting that Real Madrid paid €91 million (£78 million million/$120 million). Also RMTV said that Madrid paid €91 million. This means that the €100 million according to the English press is false. This also means that Bale is not the most expensive footballer in history, it is still held by Ronaldo. I hope someone can fixs this. Atleast remove the €100 million price, because it false.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/gareth-bale-finally-sold-real-madrid-even-fifa-205822718--sow.html http://sports.ndtv.com/football/news/213435-cristiano-ronaldo-is-the-boss-at-real-madrid-says-gareth-bale

Also Tranfermarked are reporting €91 million (http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/gareth-bale/transfers/spieler_39381_942395.html). Now it is official €91 million. Confirmed by both RMTV and Tranfermarked.

How about stating both? "The Spanish press (and Real Madrid TV) reported 91 million euros... while the English press reported 100 million euros (which would be above CR's 94 million euros) Starship.paint (talk) 23:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can do that, but Tranfermarkt are reporting €91 million, and they have always right on tranfer fees. So I think we should believe that €91 million is the true price.

It has been cited that the true value of the transfer cannot be released unless all parties agree on this, this is why there is variation. RM saying 91m euros to try and save face in Spain that Ronaldo is still the record holder but Spurs saying 100m euros. There is no way to state the correct one so it can be listed as disputed and both listed but you cannot have one without the other being that there is no way to know with certainty. Asl9791 (talk) 16:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Does the exact price really make a difference? The day will come, when it will be superceded by the next madman dishing out an astronomical amount of money he doesn't have in the first place. Why not write something like : "He transfered to RM. The transfer fee was a record amount at the time." That way the sentence will still be true once the next record transfer has happened. Lukenwolf (talk) 11:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the exact price does make a difference... if it was the higher amount he would be the record holder, if it was the lower price he would not be the record holder. We definitely need to mention both prices as per Asl9791. Starship.paint (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

According to Transfermarkt (http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/gareth-bale/transfers/spieler_39381_942395.html), Bale's price was 100m euros. Sepguilherme (talk) 14:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Me parece una tomadura de pelo que se niegue poner los 91.000.000 cuando el Real Madrid oficialmente da esa cifra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.153.45 (talk) 23:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Translation: I find it a joke for refusing to put 91,000,000 when Real Madrid officially reports that figure. Bobby (talk) 02:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Confirmado: Bale NO es el fichaje más caro de la historia,costó 91M€ (£77M).La transacción fue registrada en HMTreasury (Hacienda Británica) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.153.45 (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Que pongais los 91 Millones de Euros. Antes estaban puestos; ¿quien los ha borrado? Vaya enciclopedia, que publica falsedades. El precio de Bale ha sido 91 Millones de euros, no 100. Al menos poned los dos precios — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.153.45 (talk) 20:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I have added both fees in the Bale article as we agreed (see the first paragraph and the paragraph under Real Madrid). Also I added "reportedly" in the first paragraph on the CR article, because CR's fee is confirmed by Madrid as Bale's fee is not confirmed by either Tottenham or Madrid club. Also, im adding this source (as.com/diarioas/2013/09/06/english/1378472217_751539.html), which stated that RM insisted that CR is still the most expensive player ever. However, it is not official confirmed by RM so we have to have the both reported fees on the Bale article as of now. SideMaster (talk)

added both fees to the main body as well. Starship.paint (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 5 November 2013

• Gareth Bale

78.161.90.234 (talk) 02:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Note: I assume you want to add that to the Exteral Links, but I need more information about that site. Is it his official site or a fan site or what? And how do you come to be asking to have it added? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Please change Gareth Bale's picture to a more recent one of him playing for Real Madrid, as this is his current club, as oppose to Tottenham. 175.38.236.229 (talk) 10:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Note: Thanks for the suggestion; an editor interested in this article may choose to take it up. If you want to upload a free picture or a non-free picture which satisfies our fair use policy, you can reactivate the template and say which image it replaces. Regards, Celestra (talk) 16:21, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 21 November 2013

I am submitting an edit request for the page. The edits that I plan to make a some minor edits related to the player, and adding some relevant info to the article.Manchesterunitedchampions1 (talk) 07:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC) Manchesterunitedchampions1 (talk) 07:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

If you can give some idea of the edits you have in mind, then they can be given due consideration. As the template above says: This template may only be used when followed by a specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

€91,000,000

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/gareth-bale/transfers/spieler_39381_942395.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.145.156.29 (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Reads like a promotional piece - nothing about his injury?

I was reading a newspaper article about Bale possibly playing in tomorrow's game against Celta. It said he hasn't played since 18 December because of injury. I came here to read about the injury, but there's no mention of it!

I've added a line about this, but I don't know the details so it's very incomplete.

While searching for this info, I was also surprised by the glowing praise for his performance at Madrid, including his "perfect hat-trick". I'm a casual Madrid fan, but let's be honest, there was one decent goal but the two others happened because the goalie fisted the ball onto Bale's head, then a defender crossed it onto his foot. I only read a few bits of this article but it does not sound like an encyclopedia, it sounds like it was written by Bale's media team. Gronky (talk) 23:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Not every small injury needs to be listed. For those infos check realmadrid.com or so. If the injury holds him out for quite some time (months) yes, but not 3 week injuries. Kante4 (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

In Bale's case, injury is possibly the most prominent aspect of his season so far for Real, so it clearly should be mentioned. He's only played 11 of 18 games, and it's not even 11 full games. Seven goals in eighteen matches isn't impressive, but it gets lavish praise in this article. This article reads worse than a tabloid, it's just a puff piece, a real low point for Wikipedia. Can anyone fix it? My football knowledge is too weak. Gronky (talk) 08:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Why do you want to have it that bad on the article? THAT seems a bit excessive... Just because he is not on the team does not mean he is injured, could be a suspension or so... And one ref for the missing games, would be enough. Not just matchreports or stuff like that. And IF all of that is already on the article, why the need of an extra paragraph? Kante4 (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I added a ref for each match because I got the distinct feeling you'd accept nothing less. Your instant revert seems to confirm this.

What I want, is for this article to improve. I'm no Bale expert, I'm just a casual watcher of Spanish football, but I noticed one glaring omission. I can't fix the rest of the article, but I decided to fix that one omission and at least move the article's quality in the right direction. I hope others can do more to turn this tabloid puff piece into an encyclopedia article. Gronky (talk) 00:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a common problem with many articles about current high-profile footballers, which are edited on the hoof. Various users come along and add a bit about a match, goal, injury, assist or whatever, without ever looking at the wider picture. You're unlikely to be able to stop this so someone needs to review the article on an annual basis, cut out the crap and write a more balanced summary of each season. The recent edit regarding his injuries and matches missed etc. breaches WP:synthesis which says "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources"; for this reason I have deleted it. You should find a source which actually draws the same conclusions as you. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem might stem from the articles being mostly written by fans of the club/player. This also leads to Wikipedia rules being applied in what could be considered abusive ways whenever a non-fan makes what's seen as a "negative" edit. To get past these problems, I referenced my edit extensively. You gotta appreciate that everything is stacked against anyone trying to make football articles more encyclopedic. I'm trying. The response isn't very motivating. I could use some help.

Fine, I'll add yet more references to show that I'm not the only person on the planet who noticed that Bale's been injured more than he's played.

I understand that rules have to be applied, but it would be helpful if people who see rules problems helped bring the article toward (what they call) compliance rather than just reverting what I hope is obviously a very good faith ("above and beyond", I'd say) edit. Gronky (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Now that you have found appropriate references, I will rewrite what you have added as it almost certainly does not comply with WP policies. I don't have time at present, but I'll get back to this later. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 11:21, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

If you think it doesn't comply, say why. My reference cites six different sources, from begin October, end October, December and January saying he's been very frequently injured. And all I get for my efforts is repeated reverts and "Oh, I'll rewrite your edit soon". I think I've solved the mystery of why no one's bothering to try to improve the quality of football articles. Gronky (talk) 11:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Look, we're all here to improve the article, right? It's pretty obvious that Gronky is editing in good faith here, and he's added info which is backed up by a significant amount of sources, which I see as beneficial to the article. I don't think it's right that you "revert first" and say "I'll get back to this later", or cite "this looks horrible" or "WP:SYNTHESIS". Either you rewrite it straight-away or you don't revert it straight-away. At least appreciate the effort made to improve the article, huh? Starship.paint (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Might I add that there seem to be far more outstanding things to remove here, and I'm only reading the Madrid section. I edit professional wrestling articles and the term we call it is week-by-week info. Surely we can't have an entry for every time he scored a goal or assisted a goal, the article would be too long then? I hope this is not already prevalent in the article. "On 9 November, Bale assisted Sami Khedira's goal in a 5–1 win over Real Sociedad." - does this really need to be included? Does Sami have to be mentioned? "He then scored a dipping free-kick against Galatasaray in the Champions League, a match which Madrid won 4–1 despite being a man down" - does "dipping" need to be mentioned? How about "despite being a man down"? Starship.paint (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Real Madrid paid €91,000,000 for Gareth Bale

Según informó Sportnomics, la transacción de 77 millones de libras (91 millones de euros) fue registrada en la Hacienda Británica (HMTreasure) el pasado 3 de septiembre, lo que confirmaría la versión del Real Madrid.

Source: http://futbolfinanzas.com/es-bale-el-fichaje-mas-caro-de-la-historia/

Transfer Markt: http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/gareth-bale/transfers/spieler_39381_942395.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.168.217 (talk) 19:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Relevance?

In December 2013, Bale was ranked by The Guardian as the seventh-best footballer in the world.[13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.240.33 (talk) 09:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

bale 100million euros says former real president

Former Real Madrid president Ramón Calderon says several times that Bale cost 100million euros also says 'everyone knows' they paid 100 for Bale http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26676635 80.1.219.140 (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Honours

Why is Bale no listed as having won the League Cup with Tottenham 2007-08. He wasn't in the final's squad down to injury, however he was involved in the cup run, including scoring vs Middlesborough in the first round. What's more, he paraded the Cup around White Hart Lane, something I doubt he would've done if not a part of the team in some way/ qualifying for a medal? Would seem a little strange other wise?

• Football League Cup: 2007–08 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.53.84 (talk) 12:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

In addition to the above, Bale was a league cup finalist in 2008-09. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shifty 14 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

Can the word "winning" be removed from the last paragraph of the 2013-14 season section. He scored the second of RM's four goals in the CL final. Who says which is the winning goal? 78.147.169.155 (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 78.147.169.155 (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done - it read as "fancruft" - Arjayay (talk) 08:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

On 24 May,with this edit, User:GTVM92 removed Bale's earlier honours. Can this edit be undone? Thankyou. 78.147.169.155 (talk) 05:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 78.147.169.155 (talk) 05:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done - as no reason was given for the removal. Arjayay (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

goals with Real Madrid: 22 Vegaajavier (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@Vegaajavier: Please provide sourcing. Thanks. --JustBerry (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2014

Please change "orientated" to "oriented" because English. 32.97.110.60 (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done I change the lead removing orientated because it was not needed, offensive player is enough. QED237 (talk) 20:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Honours he won in England

"GiantSnowman" accidentally deleted his club honours. See revisions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gareth_Bale&oldid=646210963 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gareth_Bale&oldid=646684831

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2015

Could I please edit the Gareth Bale page? I have useful information that is currently not on the page. Helloo1234567890 (talk) 12:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

What information do you want to add? Valenciano (talk) 12:25, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)