Talk:French cruiser Jeanne d'Arc (R97)

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The result of the move request was page moved. —harej (talk) 20:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) → French cruiser Jeanne d'Arc (R97) — New name is more consistent with naming conventions spelled out at WP:NC-SHIPS. Also, the majority of French ship articles that have pennant numbers have unspaced pennant numbers, like R97, rather than R 97 as styled currently. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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De-commissioned, maybe not?

This ship still seems to be listed as an active service ship. In other words not yet decommissioned. <http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/base/unites/batiments_de_combat/jeanne_d_arc/presentation> It seems to appear on all ministry of defence and french navy sites as an active duty ship. Currently deployed to Brest with an officer training role and active service deployment in time of war as currently described in the WP article. Mission Porte-hélicoptères-Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) En temps de paix, à servir de bâtiment école au profit de l'École d'application des officiers de Marine. Le groupe aérien comprend 2 hélicoptères Alouette III de l'escadrille 22S, il est renforcé par un détachement d' hélicoptères de combat de l' ALAT (Aviation Légère de l'Armée de Terre) composé de 2 Puma ou Cougar et 3 hélicoptères Gazelle avec un détachement de 40 hommes. En temps de guerre, à mener des missions de combat, soit dans le domaine de la lutte anti-sous-marine en embarquant 8 hélicoptères WG 13 Lynx, soit dans le cadre d'une mission d'action extérieure en mettant en oeuvre des hélicoptères Puma ou Gazelle de l'ALAT, et en transportant des troupes de débarquement.Felix505 (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

wednesday, june 9, 2010, Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) The Jeanne d Arc serves as a helicopter cruiser, fielding a variety of rotorary-wing elements. ..."the vessel is in active service with the French Navy though she is slated to be decommissioned by 2011. The primary role of the Jeanne d'Arc is in the training of French Navy pilots though her air arm can be called upon (in a time of war) to take to the offensive with her various multi-role helicopter systems."

from: http://machinesforwar.blogspot.com/2010/06/jeanne-darc-r-97.html

see also: http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=113250 Felix505 (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dark Nark, good work. I thought all the announcements in May seemed to have a lack of finality about them and that JDA seemed to just linger a bit. from your reference supplied: http://www.boc.sga.defense.gouv.fr/visu/boc_visu4.php?nor=B1050979S&id=34670 Page 1 OFFICIAL BULLETIN OF THE ARMED Chronological Edition No. 26 dated June 25, 2010 PERMANENT PART Navy Text No. 27 DECISION No. 0-25103-2010/DEF/EMM/STN change of position on the helicopter carrier "Jeanne d'Arc." From June 4, 2010 Page 2 STAFF OF THE NAVY: office "shipyard support. DECISION No. 0-25103-2010/DEF/EMM/STN on change of status of the helicopter-carrier " Joan of Arc. " From June 4, 2010 NOR DEFB 1 0 5 0 9 7 9 S References: a) Decree No. 52 of 7 March 2001 (BOC, p. 2772.; BOEME 570-0.1) amended. b) Instruction No. 0-62862-2007/DEF/EMM/STN 16 October 2007 (or RB). c) Order No. 0-16082-2010/DEF/EMM/PLANIF/-- of March 31, 2010 (or RB). Documentation number: BOEME 570-0.2.6 Publication reference: BOC No. 26 of June 25, 2010, text 27. The helicopter carrier Jeanne d'Arc was removed from active service June 7, 2010. The necessary disarmament operations , footnote b), shall be conducted under the authority of the Admiral commanding the Naval Action Force (ALFAN). For the Minister of Defence and delegation: The Commissioner-General of 1 re class Deputy Chief of Staff "support and finance", Hubert SCIORELLA. I think you should edit the article to show "removed from active service 7 June, 2010" and cite to the above. The blog on the proceedings in September although informing may not be a good enough source. Lets try and find something better to cite and just list the removed from active service info for now. Make sure to cite to the boc.sga.defense.gouv.fr you have provided. I will keep on the look out as well for something more 'official' on September 1: ship loses flag and its name. It is good to see some information on this turn up. Felix505 (talk) 04:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Good job Felix505. As soon as I have other informations in the Official bulletin of the armed, I cite this source in this article.Dark Nark (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Ship numbers

The french navy commonly uses a space between the character and the numeral when describing a ship' 'but does not use a space when describing the 'class' of ship. ie:

Porte-hélicoptères

• Porte-hélicoptères Jeanne d'Arc ('R 97)

Frégates anti-sous-marines type F67

• Frégate Tourville (D 610 - Équipage mixte)
• Frégate De Grasse (D 612)

Frégates antiaériennes type F70 AA

• Frégate Cassard (D 614)
• Frégate Jean Bart (D 615)

please see <http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements/batiments_de_combat/liste_des_batiments_de_combat_de_la_marine_nationale_par_unite> and <http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements/batiments_de_combat/jeanne_d_arc/jeanne_d_arc_r_97>

Accordingly this article is in conflict with formal naming and numbering protocols of the French Ministère de la défense and the the Marine nationaleFelix505 (talk) 15:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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