Talk:Flag of the Republic of China

Requested move 31 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — MaterialWorks 13:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Flag of the Republic of China → Flag of China (1912–1949)
• Proposed flags of Taiwan → Flag of Taiwan

– The proposed flags of Taiwan article should be moved to the Flag of Taiwan to include ROC era, Japanese colonial rule, Qing era, European rule and indigenous Taiwanese eras. This article should be focused on China's national flag from 1912 to 1949 during the mainland era. This is to avoid confusion between the 1912-1949 ROC and 1945 Taiwan under ROC. 142.113.183.163 (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

It would make no sense to time-gate this article to 1912-1949, the same flag is in use today. CMD (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

It is. Taiwan has a big sovereignty problem, they're using the national flag of the defunct Republic of China, which the PRC and the international community views it a defunct state. Renaming this article to "Flag of China (1912–1949)" would be like the flag of South Africa during apartheid focusing solely on the mainland period. -142.113.183.163 (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article covers both the flag of the pre-Taiwan republic and of Taiwan itself, which uses the same design. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Nay. The flags on Taiwan flown the Dutch, Spanish, Tunging, Qing, Japanese and ROC banners throughout its history. It has a sovereignty problem anyway. -142.113.183.163 (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose per above. O.N.R. ^(talk) 13:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This flag is the flag of Taiwan, and the current primary redirect is best. 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Not exactly. This flag that Taiwan uses is actually the historical but defunct flag of the ROC. Changing the names would render the issue moot. -142.113.183.163 (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The ROC is Taiwan. 162 etc. (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The purpose of the article name is to provide a, as far as possible, a non-confusing unique identifier for the design. As the ROC continues to exist (and in this case, perhaps used to indicate that it precedes its current reduced state of being just Taiwan), and "China" is used as the WP:COMMONNAME for the PRC, the current article name is quite satisfactory.

OP has a history of deliberately ignoring COMMONNAME or obtusely interpreting WP:NC-CN to create POV edits that - among other things - avoid/remove referring to the PRC as "China", and referring to the ROC/Taiwan as "China". Time to stop, OP. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 19:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the proposed flag article is an article on proposed flags. I see no reason to expand the scope of that article. If you want to write a Flag of Taiwan article, without proposed flags, feel free to DRAFT:Flag of Taiwan --- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 11:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, also see similar articles such as Government of the Republic of China and National Anthem of the Republic of China. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 08:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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