Talk:Flag of China

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Latest comment: 1 year ago by 122.53.185.87 in topic the Four Stars
Former good articleFlag of China was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Delisted good article

Previous discussion

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See also the previous discussion at Talk:Flag of China before the title of the page was changed.

I added a description of the construction of the PRC flag. I am interested in carrying over to wikipedia the precise geometric 'construction' of most national flags; while correct, of course my language is very bulky and leaves much to be desired. A graphic should be uploaded later. -Cory

Is there a precise definition for the specific yellow and red colours to be used in the flag? -- Anon.

Symbolism of the stars

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Wouldn't it make more sense for the stars to symbolize the Party (largest), the workers, the farmers, the soldiers and the state? This is what several Chinese citizens have told me in varying terms. It's more logical than representing the "petty bourgeousie" and "patriotic capitalists", neither of which would be in a Communist nation's flag. Mao considered capitalism to be evil; he wouldn't raise a flag celebrating even "patriotic" capitalists.

Nevermind, I fail; I translated part of the Chinese article and the English article is correct. (suspect postscript edit)

Why did some people keep adding the "worker, farmer, student, and soldier" explanation as an alternative? As a mainland Chinese, I've never heard of this version. If you google Chinese flag in Chinese, all you can see is the capitalists version.

According Mao's theory of class[1], much of the Intellectual is included in Petty Bourgeoisie, so it's quite similar to the Intellectual, another well-known polictical term in china[2][3], and National Bourgeoisie similar to Businessmen. It could form the bridge to the traditional "Four categories of the people" --Ctixyz

Five-star red flag

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Xinhua News Agency/People's Daily uses the "five-star red flag" translation.[4] --Voidvector 17:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is 'Flag Construction' really necessary?

Not in any such cumbersome textual detail. I removed it. --ScottMainwaring 06:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Growing up in mainland and always an A student, including polical science and history, I feel obligated to share what I know. I just added the meaning of the colors of the Chinese flag.

As for the four smaller stars, the implication of workers, farmers/peasants, soldiers, and petty petty bourgeoisie was correct, unless one wants to interpret/translate the petty bourgeoisie as small businessmen. It's only the tranlation issue. It is true that the CCP regarded bourgeoisie as evil and so the word Petty is important here. Basically, again, they really meant small businesses.

The important thing here is to recognize that the big star represents CCP. It doesn't represent Han Chinese as a majority. Because the government actually have tried to equalize rights for the minorities, if not actually gave them more.

Meaning of war/naval flag?

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There is no explanation for the symbols used in the war and naval flag. --84.189.125.142 15:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Adoption date?

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The page says that the adoption date of the flag was 27 Semptember, 1949. According to Flags of the World the adoption date was 1 October, 1949. Which one is correct? Darth Newdar (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Editing tools

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GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Flag of the People's Republic of China/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 21:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Checking against GA criteria

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GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS):  
    Lead: although you have wikilinked canton to Flag terminology, you need to spell it out specifically, e.g. upper hoist (left) quarter.
    History of the design: But this design was strongly opposed by Zhang Zhizhong due to the golden bar symbolizing the tearing apart of the revolution and the country, and might cause an imagination to Sun Wukong's Ruyi Jingu Bang What is that supposed to mean? Please rewrite in plain English.
    Please recast this who section in neutral language, e.g. Later, he realized that the CPC was the great savior ... - if he said this, quote it or least attribute the statement specificall to him.
    Symbolism: According to the current government interpretation of the flag, the red background symbolizes the revolution and the golden colors were used to "radiate" on the red background, which is considered to be more beautiful than white. What is being stated here? Is it gold or red which is more beautiful than white?
    Military flags: The main feature of the flags is a golden star at the top left corner and the characters 81 to the right of the star, all placed on a red background. The characters 81 (八一) pays homage to the events on August 1, 1927; this was when the PLA was created by the Communist Party to start their rebellion against Kuomintang Government in Nanchang. Please explain why the characters "81" represent tis event.
    Organizational flags: The flag has a red background that is charged with the emblem of the CPC in gold at the top left corner.[40] The flag ratio is defined as two by three; the size of the emblem is 8 units square, placed four units away from the hoist and three units away from the top of the flag. Need to explain the number of units used for the whole falg for this to make any sense.
    I had to make a lot of copy-edits. Frankly the prose was extremely poor for a GA nomination. Please ensure that you get someone to copy-edit before making any further nominations.
    The Lead does not fully summarize the article- summaries of the sections on subnational, military and organizational flags are no presenst in the lead. Please read WP:LEAD for guidance.
    Lead expanded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
    Please provide English translations for the title and publisher of all Chinese language references. I assume good faith for the contents of print sources and Chines language sources.
    Changed to English. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
    I note, however, somewhat confusing explanations of the sourcing of several of these files.
    What files did you note was odd? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
    On hold whilst above concerns are being addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

I am now happy to pass this as a Good Article, thanks for your hard work. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

August 1st is sometimes written 8-1. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
With regards to the images, an example is the Hong King flag the source is claimed as (http://www.protocol.gov.hk/flags/eng/r_flag/index.html) but it is described and licensed as PD-self. I will leave it to the Wiki Commons people to see if this is a problem. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
It was more linking to a construction sheet than anything else (as required now with image sourcing guidelines). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Reply



Flag of the People's Republic of ChinaFlag of China – This article is at its current title due to the previous name of the parent China article. Now the parent article is moved, this should too. Using the shortname in "Flag of X" articles is the standard format for all countries. These articles all deal with the current flag of the country in question, as that is what is most likely being looked at, and the current flag of China is what is being dealt with in this article. Flag of Burma and Flag of Malawi cover flags created in 2010 for example. Furthermore, there is no other flag commonly referred to as the Flag of China, except when dealing with history, in which there is always the context or an explanation. Anyone searching for "Flag of China" is looking for this article, so we should allow them to go directly to it. CMD (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

  • Because one of the flags of your Country before the year 1867 was, and has always been called "the (British) Union Flag", informally and incorrectly as" the (British) Union Jack", or simply, usually by non-British "subjects" and persons, as "the British Flag", and is never really called "the Flag of the United Kingdom", "the Flag of Great Britain", "the Flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain" or "the Flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" as such. And if we are going down this "COMMONNAME" route/nonsense all (of) the way, inflexibly, and without allowance for exceptions, I might just as well go and call you a Frenchman, instead of a Quebecker or a Canadian; and the Dutch flag as "the Flag of Holland"!
  • Look, the People's Republic of China indeed is China, and the only China, as a matter of fact and of reality, but there is also and still a separate political entity called Taiwan ((still) self-styling as the Republic of China, amongst other names styled or bestowed), and this other fact is pertinent; and in things such as heraldry and vexillology, such ambiguity is always a little frown upon. — KC9TV 04:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • The official names of the Republic of Ireland are just simply Éire, Ireland and L'Irlande; the names "the Republic of Ireland" and "La République d'Irlande" are chiefly used officially by Her Britannic Majesty's Government, or Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, and by the Government of Northern Ireland, and they are otherwise only semi-official in the Republic; the names "the Irish Republic", "La République irlandaise" or "An Poblacht na h-Éireann", as far as I know, have never been official, and in fact, the Government of Ireland actively forbids, prohibits and otherwise discourages the use of the three such un-official names, short of imposing fines, especially the former two.
KC9TV 06:48, 1 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Strong support for consistency. It's absurd that we're fighting this battle on every China-related article. Set aside the politics—when the parent article moves, its children should too. If you want the parent article's name to change, this is not the place to do it. --BDD (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Further comment. No, don't do it! (if you want to keep away the trolls from (or originally from) Taiwan, as well as Hong Kong and Macau (Macao), instead of having to have the page semi-protected indefinitely, complete with an ugly silver padlock, potentially risking the loss of the "good-article" status.) Do remember, just as the saying about bears and the Pope being a [Roman] Catholic, (almost) all Chinese, under a certain age, troll on the Internet, which is an open secret, known to any knowledgeable person with the remotest knowledge of that particular Country, and its natives and subjects. — KC9TV 23:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. The child articles should, as much as possible, follow the parent article naming and I see no reason why that shouldn't happen with this article.--Cattus talk 19:44, 4 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
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Old history

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The old history of this page is now located at Talk:Flag of China/old. Jenks24 (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

Colors

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Can we have a better, clearer description for the colors? I can’t calculate any of the colors based on the information given. 😕 —Britannic124 (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

There should be more rejected proposals for national flag of PR China

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I discovered that in 2009, The Chinese officials held an exhibition in Beijing to celebrate 60 years of the founding of People's Republic of China, and during this exhibition, many original drawings of rejected proposals for PRC's national flag were open to the public for the 1st time. Some news website reported this exhibition and uploaded many images of rejected proposals. For example, http://dangshi.people.com.cn/GB/85040/9894262.html on this Chinese webpage many proposals are shown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joins2003 (talkcontribs) 06:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have reverted your recent addition of a large number of rejected proposal flags, as the addition of such a large number of imagery constitutes undue weight. The rejected proposals only form a small aspect of a much larger and wider topic, and an undue proportion of weight is given to the rejected flags over the rest of the content. However, if you would like, I can recommend that you can start a separate article on the topic at Proposed flags of China or History of the flag of China, and add new content over there. How does that sound? If you'd like, I can help you along the way. --benlisquareTCE 11:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
Perhase try serving them up small or combining them into one image? There is still enough detail visible at a width of 30px e.g.
Alternate rejected proposals made for the PRC flag
Alternate rejected proposals made for the PRC flag (part2)
Alternate rejected proposals made for the PRC flag (part3)
Alternate rejected proposals made for the PRC flag (part4)

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Requested move 3 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus here is to use the same name that the country article does. Calidum ¤ 19:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Reply


Flag of ChinaFlag of the People's Republic of China – Because there is already an article of the Flag of the Republic of China, moving this article will distinguish between the flags of Communist China and Nationalist China. The name of the article is getting too complicated given the fact the PRC controls the Mainland, Hong Kong and Macau whilst the ROC ONLY administers Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu and some other islands. 135.23.144.153 (talk) 08:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 23:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Plurals in Chinese work differently to plurals in English. In English "Flag of China" refers to a single flag, not every iteration. CMD (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
It seems that "Flag of XXX" in articles Flag of the United Kingdom and Flag of France does not refer to a single flag. --Matt Smith (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Both of those articles do, in fact, refer to a single flag, the one which is the topic of each article. CMD (talk) 07:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Don't they also include the flags of former regimes? --Matt Smith (talk) 07:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Regimes isn't really the right word, but you'll notice that the historical flags (and variant flags) are included as context to the current flag, which is the topic of the article. Both of those flags draw elements from the former flags. Even if they didn't I'd argue that including historical flags may be useful if it illustrated changes and context associated with changing the flag. This is not the same as treating "Flag of X" as an examination of all of a polity's flags throughout history. For example the Hong Kong and Macau flags are discussed here and the Chinese flag is discussed on those articles, which helps explain the symbolic links between them, but does not make each of these articles equivalent in their coverage of each of the flags. CMD (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. It looks like the articles I was expecting for UK and France should be List of British flags and List of French flags, respectively, instead.
Since the English world is currently recognizing the People's Republic of China as China, I will not be stating a stance on this request. --Matt Smith (talk) 08:02, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Matt, the topic is about the flag itself, not the country (or the political government). The country and the flag are not the same. --George Ho (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • No but latter is the article on the modern history of the country, the former the main overview. The same way a History of the Federal Republic article would be a part of the broader History of Germany. Timrollpickering 13:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • The wider world does not call either of those states "Korea" and instead uses that term for the peninsular, the historic single entity and the aspiration of reunificationists. It is not a comparable example. Timrollpickering 12:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

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RfC: Flag of China or "Flag of the People's Republic of China"

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After an attempt to change the article back to the "Flag of the People's Republic of China", I noticed there's a hat note on the Law of the People's Republic of China reading: "Before 1971, the Republic of China was commonly known as "China" when it was replaced by the People's Republic of China. Since then, the Republic of China has been commonly known as "Taiwan"." Any comments or options whether you guys move the page again or use the WP:MOVP option? Wrestlingring (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Note: The hat note Wrestlingring has "noticed" was placed there by Wrestlingring editing unlogged, as they often do. --T*U (talk) 08:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Wrestlingring, I have removed the RFC. I agree that this needs a discussion, but it is much better to discuss and actually look at sources and evaluate evidence before starting another RFC. Otherwise, rehashing discussions makes no sense. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Postscript file of Chinese Flag

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showpage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaewankim (talkcontribs) 05:01, 17 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Historical flags

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Wwbread has reverted my removal of the "Historical flags" section. I admit being a bit too rash, and I agree with the revert. We should, however, only present flags that can be said to have been "The flag of China" at one point in history. That excludes the "Blue sky/White Sun" flag. If we open the field to a flag that only has been the naval jack of China and a party flag, we may soon find the section filled with all the other flags from List of Chinese flags.

Also: As long as the "List of..." is linked as a main article, it should not be in the "See also" section.

Also: I have removed the unexplained (and wrong) changes of dates made by Dragonmarly. --T*U (talk) 07:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Merger proposal

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This is clearly not going to succeed, and petered out over a week ago with no further arguments or proposals. Boldly closing this despite being involved as not worth dragging anyone else into this. --JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 19:26, 21 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

I propose that Flag of the Republic of China be merged into Flag of China because both states claim to be "One China". Although that the content in the Flag of the Republic of China article can easily be explained in the context of Flag of China, and the Flag of China article is of a reasonable size that the merging of the Flag of the Republic of China will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. However, I created a draft page to see it works.

Wrestlingring (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Please understand that it is not conforming to WP:NPOV to assert that the ROC and the PRC are "two states". --Matt Smith (talk) 04:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Taiwan is a state according to its article. China is a sovereign state, which Taiwan is not [recognised as]. Both are certainly states, so that is not POV, just one way to describe them.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 09:40, 10 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
I personally cannot agree with the use of "state" in the Taiwan article because no one would interpret the word as "one of the states of a sovereign entity" in that kind of context and thus the word significantly implies statehood. In my opinion, the use of the word in that article is a means of creating a loophole in the policy and giving readers an impression that Taiwan is an independent state. --Matt Smith (talk) 10:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Discussion

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File nominated for deletion on commons

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The file c:File:2015 China Victory Day Parade (1).jpg has been nominated for deletion on Commons 
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Deletion request: link 

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There's no flag of Taiwan, only "FLAG OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA"

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--Chinyen Lu (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

Okay? ... – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 12:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Delete other flags

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This article is talk about national flag of China,not other flags. So delete this Military flag and Custom flag. 陈龙英 (talk) 21:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Page ordering

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It seems wrong to list the rejected designs before the construction. Any objections to some reordering of the page, demoting the rejected designs? JDAWiseman (talk) 23:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

'Gold' or 'yellow'?

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The Chinese Wikipedia article on the the Chinese flag uses the term 黄色 (huángsè) throughout. See for example the color chart. Is 'gold' used here in this English-language article in a heraldic sense? Why not use the term 'yellow' throughout the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traversetravis (talkcontribs) 04:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

It's not strictly heraldry. The colour name can be either: see Tincture (heraldry) § List. The article should be consistent throughout for each flag being described. Bazza (talk) 09:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Lead

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Mind clarifying your position for your undo edit, @TucanHolmes:?

As I had stated in the comment, that subject in lead is also not mentioned anywhere else in the body of the page. The passage was removed per WP:LEAD: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.".

On a wider level, no other National flag page makes an off hand comment on controveries existing, as duh, of course they do for most countries. Therefore, the inclusion of that line here and nowhere else is problematic on a matter of WP:DUE as well.

The part about Taiwan restricting the PRC flag is natural. Taiwan is its own country. That information on restriction is more trivia in scope, not something for the lede, and more fitting for the Flag of Taiwan page. Sleath56 (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

The etymological problem here is the name of the article: "Flag of China". Since there is more than one China [the PRC (China) and the Republic of China (Taiwan)], as well as Chinese immigrants outside of China (in the Chinese diaspora), who, at times, use either flag to represent "China", I think at least a mention of the schism is justified, even if it doesn't fit into the article proper. According to WP:LEAD, the function of the lead should also be to "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies". Most other countries do not have similar controversies, at least not on that scale, since the Taiwan/China situation is very unique (Taiwan even being recognized as the legitimate "China" by the UN until 1971). TucanHolmes (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Firstly, just to clarify the meaning of WP:LEAD, this page is on the Flag of China, not the country itself. Political and controversial elements are only relevant as they relate to the flag itself. On this note, WP:LEAD states that controversies are one of the two principal elements admissible in lead so **long as they are represented in significant detail in the article itself.** You cannot have the sole mention of a controversy in merely the lead. The lead is not a billboard.
Secondly, there is an observation of reciprocality between this page and other national flag pages, in line with the consensus of various Talk discussions there on lead applicability. Flag of Russia, Flag of North Korea, Flag of Iran all have leads without any subjective (I'll come back to this) notions of what pertains as controversial in their leads. The most covered controversy of a flag by RS is none of those above. Flag burnings of the American flag has been covered in countless RS since the early 2000s, with a incident in Greece just this week, yet this does not mean Flag of the United States mentions any controversial aspect in its lead at all.
Leaving aside the discussion on what information is warranted in the leads of national flags to address this particular entry, the removed passage has blatant issues in its basic premise(beyond poor grammar). It was edited into the lead less than a week ago by an IP user, which was what initially rang my alarm bells. The observation that Taiwan banned the PRC flag is why the passage was warranted as subjectively describing a controversy. Yet, having taken a further look, the IP's entry is clear misinformation. Nowhere in the source they provided does it ever state that Taiwan had restricted display of the PRC flag.
It's on those grounds that I removed the week-old entry, due to reciprocality between national flag leads, the current state of this page, and because the entry itself was highly problematic. Sleath56 (talk) 02:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
I agree. TucanHolmes (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

GA Reassessment

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Result: Delisted Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

There are several pieces of information lacking citations (and many of the citations that do exist are to rather dubious sources), the lead is far too short for the article's length, and the images are extremely jumbled (compare flag of Japan and flag of the United States, which do a much better job of spacing their images out). It doesn't help that it was last assessed in 2009 and has changed quite a bit since then. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 23:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

In two months, nobody has responded to these concerns either on this page or by improving the article. Even the most cursory glance shows that the concern about missing citations are still valid; image use concerns also seem valid. Delisting. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Flag burning picture

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An editor recently added a flag-burning picture. It has been reverted, re-added, moved to an arguably more sensible place in the article (by me), deleted, re-added, and deleted again.

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but I did some quick checking of other Flag articles and so I thought I would offer these comments. I checked the flag articles for some "western" powers (UK, USA, Canada, France) and some Asian powers (Japan, India) and the US is the only one with a flag burning picture. That picture appears in the "desecration" section.

So. I do not intend to involve myself in this revert cycle any more, but maybe those observations will be useful to others who might want to talk it through. JArthur1984 (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

the Four Stars

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hey people, i heard that the four stars were the States of Mainland (Communism), Democracy (Taiwan), Hongkong (Monarchy)and Private or Union (Macau) .. just asking 122.53.185.87 (talk) 09:32, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply