Talk:Eternal Sunshine (album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Requested move 11 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Upcoming Ariana Grande album. (non-admin closure) Heartfox (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Eternal Sunshine (album) → Upcoming Ariana Grande album – No explicit confirmation in RS (and from Grande herself) that Eternal Sunshine is the title. See Uproxx: "Another possibility is that it’s not for an album title at all, but maybe for just another song from the record." ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 22:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support IAW the above explicit ambiguity in a reliable source and WP:NOR. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 23:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Something tells me this will be moot after the single drops at midnight, but for what it's worth, I also support the move given currently available information. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Your Power Support There is zero confirmation that this actually is the album's name and it is just speculation. Asknaffffwiki (talk) 05:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Although I would use Upcoming 2024 Ariana Grande album instead Jvaspad (talk) 05:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ariana has confirmed as of 14 hours ago, that "Eternal Sunshine" will be the title of the new album. 41.10.125.92 (talk) 05:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Is the confirmation in the room with us? Literally where did she confirm this? 2601:48:8100:6920:6156:FC5B:8AD9:A701 (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

support. all sources at this point say rumored Griffindaly (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

support. right now it is just some unconfirmed "he said, she said" speculation. mediafanatic17 talk 17:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Support The album title hasn't been confirmed anywhere by any source, Ariana replying to a fan on Instagram doesn't prove anything. Daizydoodles (talk) 02:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Presenting articles titled "Is Ariana Grande's New Album Called 'Eternal Sunshine?'" or "Is This an Album Title Hint?" as references for the confirmation is a bold move! hinnk (talk) 02:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Right?? “It’s rumored that this is the title, that proves it is!” I wonder how these people’s minds work XD 2601:48:8100:6920:6156:FC5B:8AD9:A701 (talk) 03:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Support the album name has not yet been confirmed by Grande herself. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 16:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Your Power We should move this now. Asknaffffwiki (talk) 04:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Support There’s no official confirmation anywhere or by anyone. Only mentions on Reddit, twitter etc of a “reputable insider” (yeah who?) leaking info some time ago. Anytime this pops up on a smaller pop music publication themed twitter account, the tweets are taken down hours later, and this is what’s being shared all over Reddit. Comments being made on the fan subreddit r/ariheads asking people to consider that they’re grasping at straws prompted the creation of this article within an hour of being posted. Media outlets that aren’t even big name are riding off of the fanbase’s assumptions to get engagement. People are so deluded they’re taking Ariana’s reply comments of emojis as confirmation that it’s Eternal Sunshine. This article needs moved until the album is officially announced to the reputable press and not just some random obscure ragtag pop publication online…by her team, herself, or until it comes out. Move it already. 2001:56A:77E3:7B00:6448:2285:3510:660E (talk) 02:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

This just cements the fact that Wikipedia is a complete joke. The fact that we have to discuss whether or not we treat speculation as confirmation is just embarrassing. 2601:48:8100:6920:644B:CABC:980B:C9C5 (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Support as Eternal Sunshine (as the album's title) is not yet confirmed by neither Grande nor her record label. Vida0007 (talk) 08:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Support: No official confirmation, only speculation, that this is the album title. — Peterpie123rww (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• MOVE TO DRAFT / DRAFTIFY per WP:HAMMER. The information here could be contained at the artist's page. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support. This is reaching WP:SNOW levels in my opinion, and it should be an decision since there is not any credible information to support this title (at least for the time being). Aoba47 (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alternative album covers

Should we include these alternative Eternal Sunshine cover arts? (Ex: its' "Standard LP" cover art) Asknaffffwiki (talk) 06:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@Asknaffffwiki: I lean towards no. There are more than two Eternal Sunshine cover variants, all with a similar feel to the standard one. We keep non-free content as minimal as possible; if only one cover art suffices to illustrate the album, then we stick with only one cover art. ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 06:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, And? cover

Per WP:Non-free content#Implementation and WP:Non-free use rationale guideline#Non-template, if a media file is used in several articles, then you must include a separate use rationale for each article. The page File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And.png only contains a use rationale for the single "Yes, And?", not the Eternal Sunshine album. If the image is used as the single cover for the Yes, And? page, then it should not appear here. If this is indeed the album cover, then it should be removed from the Yes, And? page and the use rationale needs to be changed. Dylx 18:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed the duplicate and it seemed to be reverted by an unsigned IP, because they ridiculously think it is the cover of the album. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 20:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

There's been an ongoing debate on the "Yes, And?" talk page about this image's use on that page. What occurred is that Ariana Grande is using the same cover art for the standard digital editions of both the album Eternal Sunshine and its single "Yes, And?". Due to this, I believe the appropriate solution is to remove File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And.png from the "Yes , And?" page and keep it on the album page for Eternal Sunshine. There is a cover for "Yes, And?" at File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And cover art.png that is used on the digital EP version of the single that can be used on the single page instead. Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Someone is using Ariana Grande - Yes, And Vinyl.png as the extra album cover, as what I said in the discussion. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 20:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Apple Music is using the single cover of Yes, And for Eternal Sunshine. The other single cover of Yes, And is from an single EP full of edits or remixes. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 20:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I notified the album cover uploader about the image not being used in any articles. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 02:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dylx: I forgot where exactly, but I saw someone argue that it would make more sense if the version of the song that outperforms the others gets to have its cover art plastered on the infobox. Not sure I completely buy that argument, but I do acknowledge we do not use album cover arts in the infoboxes for its singles' articles, so that argument would be worth entertaining I suppose. When Billboard updates its charts on its website and I see the EP cover art on Grande's entry, then fair enough, but if we don't, then ... I still do not know where we are going. ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 02:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the Eternal Sunshine cover from the "Yes, And?" page, per comments from the editors here. The "alternative" single EP cover has been moved to the main infobox, as that seems to be the precedent for singles that use their album's artwork but have an alternate cover (such as an EP or a remix). Dylx 17:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

You should not have done that. People refers to the "album's artwork" as the "single art" for "Yes, And?", the Official Charts Company refers to it as "the single's artwork", and MusicRadar accurately depicts it as the cover of "Yes, And?"'s CD sleeve. Grande is still hosting the image as the 7" and CD cover for "Yes, And?" on her web store so it is clearly not a placeholder image. The alternate cover that you are insisting to insert is only being used on digital retailers and stan twitter accounts.--NØ 18:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not "insisting to insert" this alternate cover. I was originally proposing to not include an image at all on the Yes, And? page, but since an alternate cover exists for the single EP, I put that in the infobox instead. Per the non-free image use guideline, we shouldn't use the same cover for both the single and album pages. The purpose of including the image in the infobox is to help readers identify the work; how are they meant to do that if the single cover and album cover are the same? Dylx 18:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

While I understand the decision that was made, considering a FfD is happening for both images, it may be smart to leave both until a final decision has been made. And yes, that is the intended purpose, however, File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And.png may simply be the more recognized image associated with the song than File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And cover art.png, but again a final decision has yet to be made at said discussion, and removing the first image may prove a bit too un-neutral of a decision, while in a the best faith of the article. livelikemusic (TALK!) 05:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

As that person above pointed out, Billboard, which uses the single cover wherever available, is using this. So hopefully we can put this to bed.--NØ 15:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

In any case, we should direct our comments to FfD, since a discussion regarding the alternate cover is in progress. It's more appropriate to discuss there. See Wikipedia:Files for discussion § 2024 January 18 § File:Ariana Grande - Yes, And cover art.png. Hopefully we can figure this out! Dylx 18:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Cover art (again)

the cover for Sunshine on Spotify was recently updated with the variant that features her leaning on a clone of herself. on Apple Music, Amazon, and the album's lnk.to, it's still the close-up. which one are we going with?

I am currently leaning with keeping the close-up as the cover art, as only one platform has the different cover. however, Amazon and AM have not updated to reflect the fully revealed track list yet, so there is a chance that the respective updates may mean the cover art will change on those platforms as well. Thoughts? ‍  Elias 🪐  (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 10:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

pinging editors @Dylx @TheGreatestLuvofAll @Asknaffffwiki @Flabshoe1 who have been involved in discussing or modifying the cover art file(s) . ‍  Elias 🪐  (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 10:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

The main cover of the album has been changed to the clone cover on the largest streaming platform Spotify and most importantly, Ariana’s official webstore. Based on the latter, it should be okay to use the clone cover. Like you mentioned, the other platforms are taking longer to update, and I believe the artist’s intended cover is clear based on her official site. Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Also just wanted to add that the album's official lnk.to page also reflects the new clone cover now. Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Apple Music has now been updated to the new cover of Ariana leaning on herself as well. Flabshoe1 (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Flabshoe1 because that Apple was using the Yes, And cover, but it might take some time. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Are there any RS noting the fact the standard cover was changed? If we are assuming this is the new standard cover, it's original research until sources confirm. I believe only then should we change the cover in the infobox. Personally, I fully support including the clone cover on this page and the Yes, And? cover on that page, as that will solve all our issues with NFCC (and "recognizability", even though that isn't NFCC criteria but it's been used as an argument against inclusion of the alternate Yes, And? cover on that page for some reason). I see it's already been changed, although I think it's a bit premature. Dylx 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Well I don't really know right now? My research was Elle Magazine and Sportskeeda, which two I don't think or think are reliable sources. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)