Talk:Dudley/Archive 1

Led Zep IV cover

I thought the Dudley tower blocks depicted on this album were demolished in the mid-1990s? Matthew 11:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

They were demolished in 1996. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.190.146 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 31 October 2006‎

That feels more right - do you have a citation? Matthew 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Famous People

John Bonham (Led Zepp drummer) came from Redditch, Worcestershire. Some of his family still live there. I have therefore deleted John from this list. I have real doubts about his son Jason being listed. Cabinscooter 07:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Jason's WP article says that he was born in Dudley. I agree with regard to John's removal, though. The list of Dudley notables could perhaps also be improved if it were split into born and resided. Matthew 16:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that Jason grew up on his father's farm near Redditch but it is possible that he was born in Dudley for some reason. I agree that the list of 'Famous People' could be more detailed for each person as to in what way they are associated with Dudley (born ,resided,grew up etc.). Cabinscooter 20:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

William Perry has very little association with Dudley apart from being buried at St Johns, Kates Hill.193.105.48.21 (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Dudley

Some photographs would be appropriate, perhaps of Dudley Castle ? Cabinscooter 20:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Improvement Drive: To do

So now that this has been selected for the improvement drive for March 2007, what should be done to improve it?

This is what I think needs to be done:

• Images of Dudley for each section (appropriate images)
• References for all statements
• Remove the list-like structure from the schools and hospitals sections
• Create a demographics section using any results possible from the 2001 UK Census
• Create a geography section incorporating the neighbourhoods sections into it
• Expand sections as much as possible with relevant information

Optional:

• Create articles for neighbourhoods, schools and other places that are linked to from the article.

Please suggest others or comment on the above. Thanks. - Erebus555 17:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Expand on the decline of the town centre in the 1980s, chiefly caused by the opening of the Merry Hill Centre which was able to offer no business rates for some years. Matthew 22:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

2001 Population Census confusion

This article says that Dudley had a population of 194,919 at the time of the 2001 Population Census, however, the government statistics website says that Dudley has a population of 305,155 at the time of the 2001 Population Census. Which is correct? Thanks. - Erebus555 20:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The first will be town, the latter the MBC, which includes Stourbridge, Halesowen, etc. Matthew 20:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. It's going to be more difficult than I first anticipated to find demographic data for this... - Erebus555 20:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a little bit here - 1891 and 1901. Since then the boundaries of the town have been redrawn; for instance, I am not sure whether or not those figures of ~45k include Netherton. Matthew 14:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

That could be incorporated into the history section. This pdf about the regional casino bid by Dudley also has information on the population but it refers to the 'BHRP' area and I have no idea what 'BHRP' stands for. Do you know? - Erebus555 15:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I've just found out it means Brierley Hill Regeneration Partnership. Seems like this pdf is useless as it refers to Dudley borough and not Dudley town... - Erebus555 15:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

This could be a general problem. I'm not even sure what settlements exactly are included in Dudley (town)! Matthew 15:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have the same problem. My general belief was that Dudley was very large but looking at the settlements that I used to think were in Dudley (town), it's become quite apparent that the town is actually very small. This improvement drive has really opened my eyes. - Erebus555 16:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Which settlements were you thinking of? I'm in Netherton, which has been considered part of Dudley (town) since at least when my parents were born here. Matthew 16:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sedgeley and the Gornals for example. Looking at the Netherton article, it is not part of Dudley town. - Erebus555 16:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sedgley certainly seems distinct enough, and Gornal I've always thought of as being the wrong side of the Himley Road for Dudley. But Netherton ... it seems to be to Dudley what somewhere like Moseley is to Birmingham. Matthew 16:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I've never been to Netherton so I know nothing of the place. The article on the area is the only information I know, so excuse my confusion between Dudley and Netherton. Sometimes one has to be quite dependent on the wording in the article to understand what it is actually about. - Erebus555 16:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

May I recommend the recently published book (part of the Britain in Old Photographs series): 'Netherton' by Ned Williams (Sutton, 2006) - available at all good bookshops (and local libraries). Incidently, Netherton is certainly not part of Dudley Town (although it is in Dudley MBC). There are a number of historical and geographical reasons to support the separate nature of Netherton town (I would be pleased to elaborate if requested) but it is clear from the local press (such as Dudley News), local historians (see Ned Williams above), and local government and transport organisations, that Netherton is regarded as separate from Dudley Town. 62.208.10.141 09:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Population

Working from the population figures at West Midlands conurbation, Dudley's population of ~194,000 appears to include everything in the MBC with the exception of Stourbridge and Halesowen. That is, the towns of, for instance, Brierley Hill and Sedgley have their populations included in this figure. So just how big is Dudley? Why can't this be simple?! :-) Matthew 12:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have searched the census database, the council website, local newspaper articles and many other websites prior to this and I can find nothing. Is there even a definite boundary to Dudley town? I wonder if the Ordnance Survey Get-A-Map resource has anything? - Erebus555 12:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The inference I am forming is that while places like Brierley Hill and Sedgley are towns, they are 'subtowns' to Dudley (like, say, Westminster is to London). It seems odd, but for me this is what the official information is implying! Matthew 14:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There are indeed boundaries - the ONS take the boundaries of Dudley as those of being the 1966-1974 County Borough, which included Sedgley and Brierley Hill. Dudley "proper" is smaller, with the pre-1966 County Borough boundaries - though no figures are readily accessible for this area. See here for a PDF showing the ONS settlement boundaries that include Dudley. The other maps for the West Midlands area are available at the bottom of the West Midlands conurbation article. Fingerpuppet 20:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

However, the ONS regions are not the same as 'towns' - they are a convenient way of dividing up areas for the purposes of statistical data. I would include these areas in Dudley town - the Castle and Black Country Museum to the north; the Castle Gate development to the north east; east as far as the Burnt Tree roundabout; Kates Hill and Dixons Green to the east and south east, Blowers Green to the south; as far as Holly Hall to the south west; Russells Hall, Eve Hill and London Fields to the West; and to the north west, Wrens Nest and the Priory. I think you will find that these areas would be regarded by most locals (as evidenced by local newspapers) as being in Dudley town.62.208.10.141 09:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

A good estimate for the population of Dudley Town is around 40 000. This is the combined populations of the three wards St James's, St Thomas's and Castle & Priory. Outside of this area you have places such as Netherton and Woodside which have long historical links with Dudley Town. Woodside has lost a lot of it's individuality in recent years but Netherton is still fairly distinct from Dudley Town. Next there are places such as Brierley Hill, Kingswinford, Quarry Bank and Sedgley which were included in the Dudley MBC after local government reorganisations in the second half of the 20th century. Very few local people would say that these areas are part of Dudley Town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.105.48.21 (talk) 11:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Waist management

It would be informative if waist management would be included on the Dudley page. Snowman 23:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What, like how pork scratchings are permissible under the Atkins diet? :-) Matthew 18:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Improvement Drive: A success?

Do you think the improvement drive on this article was a success? Despite not doing everything we intended to do to the article, I believe it was and it is definitely at a much higher standard than it was before. - Erebus555 20:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No WP article's ever finished, but if you compare before with after there's a good deal of editing to Dudley that most likely wouldn't have happened without the improvement drive. So yes, I'd say it was successful. Matthew 22:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'd agree with Matthew's sentiment. Fingerpuppet 06:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The standard has deteriorated once more. The section on "Ethnic Unrest" calls it "racial" when it's actually a cultural conflict. The Muslims are a mix of Bosnian/Albanian whites and various Asians, so it's not entirely correct to call it "racial conflict. It simply confuses the issue. Santamoly (talk) 06:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Map

Ducking back in for a minute, but someone should do something about the main map for this article. It shows Dudley as being in Sandwell MBC rather than, er, Dudley MBC. Matthew 09:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

June 2010

does anyone know about s.f. turner, of the wellington works in dudley. i've found a brass plaque with those words on it. i can not find anything about the person or place on the web. please if someone can help me e-mail me on hoppy00@hotmail.co.uk. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.215.74 (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Largest town never had a league club?

Dudley is the largest town in England never to have had a league football club.^[65]
That citation can't possibly be a reliable reference, it seems to have reader-submitted question and answers. And actually any answer including "Dudley" has at least one other suggestion. One other answer suggests Milton Keynes, which is in line to the news when Wimbledon FC was relocated to MK: Milton Keynes was then the largest without a league team. According to the wiki list of UK settlements, Dudley is larger than MK, so how could MK have been the largest if Dudley is larger? 82.141.119.146 (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

And looking it again, I noticed now that question is about a top-flight' club, not league club. 82.141.116.210 (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Dudley Town has a population of under 50,000. It's about the same size as nearby Stourbridge Town and Halesowen Town which also have never had a fully professional football team. The Dudley sub area of 194,919 population includes the residents of Brierley Hill and Sedgley, which no local person would consider as being part of Dudley Town.89.206.230.105 (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Bias in this page

Please can one of the wikipedia alumni sort out the whole mosque section? It has been written from a clearly biased point of view, leaves out many key facts, and I suspect it is little more than BNP/EDL propaganda. The same person appears to have been at the 'demography' section- I lived in Dudley in 1991 (as I still do) and I certainly don't recall any 'race riots'. I have tried to fix the section myself but it got reverted as I don't have an account, but, believe me, the version of the 'facts' on this page is in no way objective. Also, it really isn't so significant an event in the town's history that a quarter of the page should be taken up by it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.146.183 (talk) 22:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Rail

If you accept that the Dudley Sub area (as defined by the ONS) is the same as Dudley Town then Coseley Station is in Dudley Town. If you don't accept this then it isn't correct to say that the population of Dudley Town is 194,919.193.105.48.21 (talk) 12:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Dudley Town

There is currently a redirect from Dudley Town that makes it very difficult to get to the Dudley Town page. I don't know how to change the redirect, but there is a well-known ghost town in CT called Dudley Town that is also inspiring a movie. Dudley Town should get you to the Dudley Town page, not to the town of Dudley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.160.3 (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

demograph

White 	93.5% 	93.7% 	79.6% 	90.9%
Asian 	3.9% 	4.0% 	13.5% 	4.6%
Black 	1.2% 	1.9% 	3.9% 	2.3%

White = ? , Asian = ?

"White" = Is that people with English/Scottish/Irish decent only or? Does it include spanish? italians? greeks?

and "Asians", is this term used for people with South/East Asian origin (like china/Vietnam) or does it include people with Middle East origins and Indians etc?

These racial, what i'd call almost neo-facist terms aren't suitable as wiki material. I suggest we delete that demograph completely and only have the demograph showning the population growth.

--95.209.60.34 (talk) 19:30, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm assuming they're just 'catch-all' terms, so 'White' is probably including all white ethnicities, 'Asian' all asian, etc. though I am unable to check the source material to verify or make any alterations, as that page on the ONS website is no longer available. The table could probably do with updating once the new census results have been published anyway, so it would probably be advisable to hold off on editing it until then. --LivingInMediocrity (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)