Talk:Don (honorific)

Article name

Shouldn't the title of this page be "Don or Dona" rather than "D"?

Definitely. The word has multiple meanings, but that's what disambiguation pages are for. There's no reason for this article's title to be an abbreviation. Rename to Don (honorific) 68.14.76.151 06:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

agreed--Rockero 02:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Include Catalán?

There has been some back-and-forth --with no talkpage discussion, I might add-- over whether or not to include the Catalán versions of "Don" and "Doña", "En" and "Na". I don't see the benefit of including the Catalán versions. But let's talk about it before reverting again, shall we?--Rockero 03:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why the catalan versions are included. Either we include the versions of all the romanic languages or even all the world's languages or we just talk about the spanish language. After looking at Joanot's profile i think that there is a political motive behind it.

--Marneus 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The Catalan "En" "Na" has not realtion with the common castilian form "Don" "Doña". The catalan form "En" "Na" is an article/preposition to refer a personal name. The Castilian form Don Doña, it is an honorific form to refer a person wich has completed the previous studies before the university. Jacquard2 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

And I change the "Spanish" because only in Castile, Madrid, Andalucía, Asturias, Cantabria, and Las Islas Canarias, Murcia and Aragón it's used. Euskal Herria, Catalunya, Valencia, Illes Balears, Navarra, Galícia... it is not used. Jacquard2 23:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no such a thing as Castilian language in English, therefore I have restored the previous wording for clarity purposes. No need to reinvent the wheel here, please.--Asterion^talk 06:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It is certainly used outside of Spanish monolingual areas. --Error (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

En/Na are etymologically related to Don/Doña, because both are shortened forms of Latin Domine/Domina. But in Catalan (unlike Spanish, Italian, Portuguese) these words do not have any honorific meaning. For that reason, I would not include Catalan here. --ABehrens (talk) 00:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Retitle

I may be opening up a can of worms here, but I think this article should be retitled Don and Doña in order to accomodate both forms (masculine and feminine) that the title may take. It is sexist to negate one to the exclusion of the other. Any thoughts?--Rockero 02:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I was referred to this page after looking up "Dom," an honorary title (from the Latin Dominus) sometimes bestowed on English Benedictine monks. If that article were subsumed into this one on "Don" and "Dona," I would not have found what I was looking for, or it would have taken me a bit longer to find it. Please keep the separate article on "Dom." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.52.163 (talk) 22:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Fictional uses

In Zelda 13, the goron elders have the prefix Don on their names.. However, in the English version it's changed to 'Gor'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Folk etymologies

An anonymous user introduced a popular spanish folk etymolgy for the word (asserting it comes from the abreviation of the expression De Origen Noble, "from noble origin"). In spite of its popularity, it is conflict with the reliable academic sources, e.g., the RAE dictionary. I boldly reverted the change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afc (talk • contribs) 15:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The Portuguese/Brazilian section is wrong

The use in Brazil is totally wrong. Principally referring to the use of the word "Dona". In Brazil it's usually a less formal form to say Mistress (in Portuguese, senhora). It's is also very used before of the names of tachers instead of "miss" or "mistress". The use of Dom is almost forgotten and used just before names of kings and nobles. The only use of "Dom" in Brazil until in use is for bishops of the Catholic Church. I say it because I am Brazilian and say it since I was born unlike somebody that don't think before writing.

I lived in Brazil for three years, from 95-98 (Rio, in Ipanema right on the Lagoa). The porteros always called me "Dom David" (Da-vee-gee), which is my first name, without exception. They called my girlfriend Dona Gina. Several other working class types also referred to me as 'Dom David" rather than "Senor David." I am certainly not a catholic cleric. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.36.196.216 (talk) 02:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

The Italian section is totally wrong

Check any Italian ethymological dictionary. "Don" is not used because of Spanish influence: it just comes from Latin both in Italian and in Spanish, in a total independent way. I wonder why some people don't bother to check some reputable source before making up ludicrous stories. I'll be bold and I'll delete it. --89.97.35.70 (talk) 09:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Globalize

Granted, this topic isn't truly worldwide in scope, but still it could benefit from a more worldwide viewpoint. For example, I see nothing in this article about the usage of this honorific in Latin America, in spite of the fact that the title is certainly used in that region. (See Don Miguel Ruiz and Don Francisco for specific examples.) I'm therefore adding the globalize tag. Can anyone help? -- JeffBillman (talk) 01:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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Capitalization

Not sure what the grammar would be in Portuguese or Italian, but in Spanish "doña" and "don" are not capitalized unless they are abbreviated (same as "señor" and "señora"). I think there are exceptions, such as personalities who are only called by their name with the honorific (e.g. Don Francisco) but, at least in Spanish, it is incorrect to capitalize "don Luis Muñoz Marín", for example, in the middle of a sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.91.222.17 (talk) 21:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger of "Dom", "Don", and "Dominus"

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Merge Dom (title) and University don to Don (honorific). Klbrain (talk) 11:43, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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The article Dominus (title) repeats some of the content in Dom (title) and Don (honorific), with some other content as well; all three articles ought to be put together in any merger.Francvs (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Same thing, different language. Separate articles hardly motivated, simply risk confusing. What about Dominus (title), though? While also more or less the same thing in Latin, as more of an historical approch perhaps that article merits standalone content in any case? Or possibly both could be merged to the Latin title article per WP:CONSISTENCY with the solution of for instance Pater Patriae as means of lingua franca. Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
• Supportm merge to "Don" as that is the far more frequently encountered style now, used by both Spanish and Italian speakers. FactStraight (talk) 13:43, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
• Merge completed of Dom (title) into Don (honorific). However, discussion remains about possible merge with Dominus (title)? Furthermore, for the time being perhaps also University don could be merged into Don (honorific)? Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
• Comment. It is clear that the topic that the article Don (honorific) deals with is an abbreviation of Dominus (title). It is also clear that since Latin language has survived in many documents well into our time, "Don" and "Dom" has been and still likely is used precisely as an abbreviated synonym. Whether there are other instances were "Don" and "Dom" can be regarded as used in a way of its own enough to merit a standalone article, I guess we could use a little bit more input in the discussion? (For the record the same user as above but with new username). PPEMES (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

(In the interests of full disclosure, editor Chicbyaccident now edits under the username PPEMES. Swanny18 (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC))

@Swanny18: Full disclosure? If you intend to imply that this was somehow a secret, please feel free to indicate the reasons for that accusation. PPEMES (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Off-topic: reply is at editors talkpage. Swanny18 (talk) 22:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Francvs:, @FactStraight: What do you think about a merge with Dominus (title)? PPEMES (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. University don has been merged. PPEMES (talk) 23:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Please also see merge discussion at: Talk:Dominus (title). PPEMES (talk) 13:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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"Spain and its colonies".... "Portugal and Brazil". Either list Spain's colonies or change the latter title to Portugal and its colonies. It's only fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.132.92.65 (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Style of the King of Spain is wrong

The article says that the style used by the current King of Spain is S. M. el Rey Felipe VI and links to the site of the Spanish Royal House to support that claim. However, the linked site itself refers to the King as S.M. el Rey Don Felipe VI using the predicate Don. 189.127.10.114 (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Academia

I added subsections for each English-speaking country in the Academia section, as well as content concerning the use of the honorific at Sarah Lawrence College. Matuko (talk) 15:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh well, there was already University don. fgnievinski (talk) 02:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)