Talk:Die Another Day/Archive 2

References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Metz, Walter (2004). "Breaking the Cycle: Die Another Day, Post-colonialism, and the James Bond Film Series". Engaging Film Criticism: Film History and Contemporary American Cinema. Peter Lang Publishing. ISBN 0820474037.

GA on hold

• Why is the links to the gadgets and vehicles in the plot section?
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• The first paragraph of production appears to be original research, as R could have promoted to Q.
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• The second should be moved into reception.
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• The second paragraph of filming is uncited.
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• Themes should be retitled "References to the previous films" and given its own section.
  •  Done Retitled it but why is there any need of a separate section? Vikrant Phadkay 15:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• The picture of Madonna is unnecessary.
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• The first two paragraphs of reception should be together.
  •  Done Vikrant Phadkay 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

All in all, good job so far. Alientraveller 14:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Quick question that sort of ties in with this. Is this article British English like other Bond articles or US English? - X201 15:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Another minor objection, as the newspapers and review organizations in the reception section are not italicized. Alientraveller 14:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

GA passed. Alientraveller 15:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Gala Brand

One bit of information that seemed to have been cut during the GA process was the original name of the Miranda Frost character. I've put it back (with a source, of course) as it supports the discussion of Moonraker being a primary source for the film story. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Source was absent earlier. Vikrant 16:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Top Grossing Film

Instead of saying 'Die Another Day was the highest grossing James Bond film until the release of Casino Royale'

Would it make more sense to say 'Die Another Day is the second-highest grossing James Bond film, with the first being Casino Royale'.

(Or something like that.. I just think the current paragraph sounds awkward.) ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.156.10 (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the current in taking into perspective the fact that, DAD, was the highest grossing Bond film, before CR. Your version doesn't seem to make that point. It just says DAD is second to CR. That doesn't put the movies into some sort of chronological order. _{El Greco}^(talk) 21:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Where was the surfing filmed?

In the main text, it says Maui, Hawaii. In the photo caption it says Banzai Pipeline, Oahu, Hawaii. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.225.22 (talk) 15:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing of Plot Corrections

The plot contains a few errors in its description:

• During the cuba gene clinic scene, Bond meets up with Jinx after he tortures Zao and then Zao escapes. At that point Bond doesn't know she works for the NSA agent, so he doesn't receive her help and is surprised to see her there. Though it may be noted he saw her file clipped to the dead doctor and suspects her.
• During the fencing match scene, Bond and Graves start off with a "friendly" match betting money, but after Bond begins to lose he changes the bet to one of Graves' diamonds. This changes from "friendly" to "not-so friendly" with the use of bladed weapons and changing of the rules to "first drawn blood from the torso."
• During the scene where Jinx is captured in the diamond plant, she isn't subdued by Mr. Kil but by Zao using the electric glove. It is also noted that she is barefoot, but I do not believe she was. (On a side note, I am unsure of the time-frame but it is noted she infiltrated at midnight, and Bond showed up to rescue her, but when he is escaping the facility it is dawn outside)
• During the scene where Frost is revealed to be a traitor, it jumps from Bond escaping straight to the car chase scene. Once Bond escapes Graves, Frost and Zao he uses Graves' jet-fuled race car to escape the facility. During this scene we see that the Icarus is actually a weapon, as Graves uses it against Bond and causes the wind surf scene. It isn't until after this scene that Bond retrieves his car and the chase scene happens.
• During the scene where Bond rescues Jinx from the ice room, it is noted that Bond "then rescues Jinx from drowning" but that is very vague. Technically I believe the coldness from the water created a kind of hypothermic reaction to Jinx's body and caused it to shut down. It wasn't until Bond took Jinx back to the diamond mine and plunged into the spring waters that she woke up.

I would have changed them myself, but I didn't know if anyone was responsible for the information already provided and I didn't want to offend them ^^;RayneShock (talk) 21:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

When the gunshot caused explosive decompression aboard the aircraft, it was not the decompression that caused the plane to lose altitude. Jinx did what a pilot is expected to do: She brought the aircraft to a lower altitude in order to reestablish a breathable atmosphere aboard the craft. 209.131.227.182 (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Missing info: Home media release

The article makes no mention of DVD/VHS/Bluray release dates etc., which is not exactly vital, but IMHO should be included in a Good Article. 87.78.3.205 (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

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Music

For some reason, my copy of the Die Another Day soundtrack credits Kerry Livgren and Steve Walsh as co-composers with David Arnold on the Icarus track. Judging by their articles here, that doesn't seem very likely. Does anyone know what's going on? Sheavsey33 (talk) 02:53, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

References to other films

This section is too difficult to digest with ease. It should be converted into a list so that it can be easily purused. I came to that section looking for an easy overview and was confronted with a very daunting, intimidating, huge blocks of text. I suggest a list, or somthing easier to navigate. Piratejosh85 (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd even be willing to do it. But only if it's the consensus. Piratejosh85 (talk) 02:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

OK since it is against Wikipedia policy to delete talk page comments, I will out my information on here as a tin god somewhere has decided to revert my additions to the article. In this section please also add the Players Cigarette ad in the Q Underground segment which is acknowledged on the DVD and other sources as being a reference to the novel Thunderball (it is mentioned prominently). I was going to add also that the plot element of Bond returning from a year's absence and being treated with suspicion by MI6 is taken from the novel The Man with the Golden Gun, but someone will just revert it, so I will mention it here. I'm all for wholesale reversion of vandalism by IPs but this bias against good faith IP additions has to stop. 68.146.70.177 (talk) 11:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the "tin god" tag—please try and refrain from personal attacks in future—but if you add unsourced, original research material or opinion it will be removed. If you can add the same information with a source then it can stay, if not it comes out. - SchroCat (^ • @) 17:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I've added a sentence briefly discussing the references in Q's warehouse, with a citation to the DVD commentary. Hopefully this will avoid the uncited/WP:TRIVIA issue that got the previous version deleted. Ylee (talk) 06:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

"highest-grossing Bond film if inflation is not taken into account."

Am I the only one that finds this sentence to be effin retarded? You must ALWAYS take inflation into account, perhaps it has the highest nominal revenue up to that point, but the sentence basically says: this was the highest grossing film if you don't take into account what the other films actually raised in revenue. I've changed the wording to 'nominal' only because I honestly think it borders on the offensive. I mean, it's just so damn stupid. 108.41.215.105 (talk) 18:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

1. Don' be so rude in describing other editors as "retarded" or "stupid": it reflects more about you than them;
2. You don't "always" need to take inflation into,account at all: comparing box office success from films of the same year will not need an inflation calculation (comparing the turnover in raw terms is also useful between years too);
3. "Nominal" means little to most people, whereas the previous version was,clear, indisputable, and could be understood by a wider audience, so,I've reverted to that, "so damn stupid" or not. - SchroCat (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

"Could" Vs "May"

I'm not seeing any discussion on this page here regarding the edits in question, despite a report being made?

I'll hold my hand up straight away to acknowledge that Schrocat and I have worked together on Bond articles in the past, hence my watching all pages in question, however I'll start the ball rolling with regard to the lack of discussion here.

In this context "may" means there was a possibility that something happened, whereas "could" is an expression that whatever is being discussed was permitted to happen, or it was allowed to happen. In this context Bond is clearly not allowed to divulge the information, so the term "may" is better suited here. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm a regular volunteer over at Third Opinion where I've removed the request in reference to the dispute here, which is mainly taking place in an edit war with some discussion over at User talk:SchroCat#May versus could. The statement by Chaheel Riens, above, either qualifies as a 3O or constitutes a third editor entering the discussion. Either a 3O has been given or this dispute no longer qualifies for a 3O since more than two editors are involved. You've entered into the Third Opinion Paradox, so take your pick. If more dispute resolution is needed, consider DRN. However, I want to make a comment. Since the disputed language is in the plot section, which is unsourced, the presumptive source is the film itself. That makes it a PRIMARY source and that policy says that there can be absolutely no interpretation involved when using a primary source for information in an article. Thus this dispute is one of two things: Either everyone agrees over the proper meaning of the source and this is merely a disagreement over how best to state that meaning or there's a difference in what the source actually means and this is a disagreement over how best to interpret the source. When I see disagreement between ability and possibility, that looks a whole lot to me to be the second: a disagreement over meaning. And in that case, the only proper way to settle this is to find a reliable secondary source which determines it one way or the other. Editors are absolutely forbidden to interpret a primary source. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I've just seen this. I wouldn't like to call my comment a third opinion in the Wiki sense of the word, and I would have to fall into the third editor category. I couldn't truthfully be classed as an independent editor having worked with SchroCat in the past, albeit at a distance.

My opinion is just that - an opinion on a page I watch. Chaheel Riens (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is a need for secondary sources: it's a grammatical point, rather than anything else. I'll re-word the sentence in question shortly to bring clarity to the question. - SchroCat (talk) 16:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

No apparent disagreement over anything other than expression, which I have hopefully closed by joining the two clauses together and simplifying the statement whilst saying the same thing that happens in the plot. The issue of using "may have...." in such statements is explicitly dealt with by Fowler, for what it's worth--Mevagiss (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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What if Die Another Day starred Daniel Craig?

What would Die Another Day starred Daniel Craig? like the Legends game portrays? --110.22.50.32 (talk) 11:49, 26 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ Added source regarding Legends having the Die Another Day mission. Link here to article [[1]] --110.22.50.32 (talk) 11:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~