Talk:Deaths in June 2023

Cynthia Weil

This is not a big deal but looking at Weil's own article, the song "Through the Fire" is not mentioned. I am at the other side of the Pond, but songs such as "Don't Know Much", "I'm Gonna Be Strong", "Looking Through the Eyes of Love", "On Broadway", "Somewhere Out There", or "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" seem more relevant. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree. That is an unremarkable song that charted poorly. Weil wrote many better notable songs. WWGB (talk) 01:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Any of the latter four would ring a bell better with me as far as Cynthia's output goes. "Through the Fire" is not immediately familiar to me. Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

For better or worse, I have replaced "Through the Fire" with the double Grammy winner, "Somewhere Out There". Thanks for the comments above - only a matter of time therefore before an editor changes the threesome, but at least there is this small discussion to refer back to. (I would have gladly given up an arm, and a leg, to have songwriting credits on just one of her output). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Doris Stockhausen

Doris Stockhausen is reported as having died on 20 June. It was entered in the German Wikipedia without a reference, and the article still has no reference for her death. While I believe it is likely that somehow who knows placed it there, I was told in a similar case (when I knew that a person had died from the person's son) to wait until anything official was published. I still don't see anything online, and would not be surprised if the "ref" we cite took it from the German Wikipedia. - I wrote her article, and would nominate her for RD but am not sure enough, -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

We never use Wikipedia, in any language, as evidence of a person's death. As always, a reliable source is required. WWGB (talk) 05:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE. She is now listed here, with slippedisc.com as the source. WWGB (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Nothing new. That's is exactly what I tried to say: Slippedisc probably has it from the unsourced German Wikipedia, WWGB. I don't trust it, and find suspicious that there is nothing else on the internet that I see. I'm traveling now, and won't be back until tonight. Please keep an eye on it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Even though I am personally far from a fan of Slipped Disc and Norman Lebrecht, it is in no way tagged as a deprecated source, and so there's little debate to be had about its use as a reliable source for the Doris entry. Personal anecdotal evidence is another matter - sources have to be published and not be verbal hearsay, unless you yourself can create a reliable published account from whatever information you heard. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

May I still have doubts about the death of a notable German woman reported by not a single German source, but the German Wikipedia and Slippedisc, the third day after she allegedly died? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

We all have doubts about a myriad of things. Of coure you can. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

We now have French news. I don't read French, - it could be an echo, coming with an author name but reading like a translation of Slippedisc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Certainly draws from Lebrecht's editorial in my view, so I would advise against using it, especially as guidelines say use English sources where possible if they equal or better foreign language ones. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Bhante Vimalaramsi

The following is from my Talk page but needs to be aired here. I did indeed remove the entry purely because it is backed by a YouTube link as a source. In my view we still see "official" YouTube accounts as ultimately unreliable or unverifiable, and that was the reason why. However, after a little debate here my view may be seen as mistaken, and consensus may feel that the entry should be allowed with the YouTube link. Thoughts please.

Concerning Bhante Vimalaramsi

Hi, you recently removed the Bhante Vimalaramsi entry from Deaths in 2023 due to finding YouTube an unreliable source. While that is the case in a lot of situations, in this case, it came from Bhante's official YouTube channel for his monastery. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

According to WP:RSP#YouTube, "content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability." I do not find "TWIM - Dhamma Sukha Meditation Center" to be anything like a news organization. It has no more status than a video uploaded by an acquaintance. Not acceptable. WWGB (talk) 10:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

A reliable source has now been found and the subject has been restored to the list. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Monte Cazazza

Hi. I've returned his entry to a "death announced on" state due to the back-and-forth disagreement over whether he died on 29th June or 30th June. There doesn't appear to be a definitive RELIABLE source to state either at the moment. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I've also amended information at his article to reflect the lack of a reliable source for verification of date, though I won't be surprised if that gets changed yet again within a short time. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

June 29 per SF Chronicle. This editor should've took initiative if they saw an discrepancy on Cazazza's page and cited the sourced article on the Deaths page instead of complaining about the discrepancy in edit summary. Rusted AutoParts 22:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I took the initiative myself. If "this editor" lives in Europe they won't be aware of the content of Datebook SF Chronicle, as it's blocked in Europe. Entry so marked. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Regardless, Rostasi has been around for 17 years and should've brought the issue up here rather than in an erroneous dummy edit and edit summary. Wyliepedia @ 11:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

There's a further researched edit at his article which places his actual date of death as June 27th now. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:24, 24 July 2023 (UTC)