Talk:Deaths in August 2014

James Brady

The Virginia ME has arrived at a somewhat bizarre conclusion that Brady died as a result of a homicide that was allegedly committed 33 years ago. That has to be one of the slowest deaths in history. If a COD is to be reported on this list, let it not just be "homicide" or "shot" which suggests that such an incident occurred in 2014. On the basis of the ME's finding, he did not survive the Hinckley shooting, as it eventually got him 33 years later. WWGB (talk) 12:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

A statement from the Metropolitan Police Department says "…an autopsy was conducted and revealed the cause of death to be a gunshot wound and consequences thereof, and the manner of death was ruled a homicide". [1] If that's the case, I vote we report the COD as "gunshot wound" and remove the "shot during Reagan assassination attempt (1981)" part from his entry. Any thoughts/suggestions? Randor1980 (talk | contributions) 15:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Its actually not bizarre at all. Many MEs and Coroners will list the original cause for the cause of death as the first event. I can remember a number of cases in the US where someone has been shot, put in a wheelchair from paralysis and then later died from conditions related to the paralysis and the ME ruled it homicide from the shooting. It also happens frequently with vehicular homicide where someone who is drunk hits someone else. There have even been a couple of notable deaths around these circumstances. One of them was Darryl Stingley who the Cook Co (Chicago) ME ruled died from injuries sustained on the football field.

My vote on this is that is listed as White House Press Secretary, wounds sustained in 1981 Reagan assassination attempt.Sunnydoo (talk) 20:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And further, this kind of goes back to the recurring problem we have with CoDs. There is an event be it a heart attack, stroke or gunshot wound in this case. It has a beginning and an ending, which in this case was in 1981. However, complications happen from these events. The initial event didnt kill him, but the subsequent complications from that event did. This is why I am so funny in my wording sometimes on some of these CoDs trying to be exact as possible in describing the CoD.Sunnydoo (talk) 20:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Here are more examples via Google [2][3][4][5][6]. Here is a case from 2007 involving a 1966 shooting of a police officer [7]. And there are many many more examples.Sunnydoo (talk) 22:47, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It is still more than bizarre to me. Trying to pretend that a death is the direct consequence of something that happened almost 35 years ago, is more than surreal. I am surprised that US coroners do not consistently list the cause of death as 'birth', as that surely started the rot. Not too surprising that some around the globe view the Yanks as completely barking mad. My view adds nothing to the debate about the wording for the 'Deaths in 2014' article, mainly because the American viewpoint on almost everything is all pervading on Wikipeda. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Its not pretending anything. The question to ask is this when filling out a death certificate- What caused the person to die? In many instances it is quite clear. In others not as much. Using the Stingley case as an example (for historical purposes), he died from an infection related to him being a quadriplegic. I understand that many would write that off as infection, but is that really the CoD? Would he have had the infection if his immune system was healthy and in many cases that is a NO. So then you have to trace back to the original event because that is what caused his immune system not to be healthy in the first place and is the underlying CoD- which is the way the Cook County ME ruled that the injury on the football field ultimately led to his death.Sunnydoo (talk) 23:38, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And as far as your US complaint, 2 things- first, it is the country of record that lists the CoD the way it is intended for that country...ie in the US it is amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, but in the Commonwealth nations we list it as Motor Neurone Disease. Assorted other cases with aneurysms and other spellings (esophageal is another), but that is the way it is listed...has nothing to do with Yanks being Barking Mad. Secondly, there are more English 1st language speakers in the US, Pakistan, Nigeria and India than the rest of the world put together. What you are seeing isnt a "taking over", it is simply the majority prevailing with deference given to neutral opinion.Sunnydoo (talk) 23:41, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

As American, I'm offended. Derek R Bullamore's "pervading" comment is completely unfounded. Even if it was substantiated, it does not belong in this post. Yet another reason why the Deaths page is no longer in my watchlist. — Wyliepedia 05:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Top 10 Wikipedia pages of the week

We are number 9 this week. WWGB (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Apologies to Facebook. — Wyliepedia 04:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2014

9aug 14 death of hyperlinks to Tony Stewart. Someone changed the wiki link on the main Wikipedia page for Kevin Ward Jr. Please correct link to Kevin Ward Jr web page [8] Thank you Duane steele (Redacted) Monaviejuiceboy (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done we don't have an article on Kevin Ward, Jr., which is why that Wikilink is a redirect, and we do not link to outside websites on this page. - Arjayay (talk) 18:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment/Question: What is the protocol for this situation? Should the bio redirect else where or should it remain a non article/red link? Thank you, --Malerooster (talk) 01:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Once a redirect page has been published it will no longer be a redlink, unless you make a case for the redirect page to be deleted. It's not possible to stop people writing redirect pages. WWGB (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

So, for clarification and for my understanding ... a person with simply a "redirect" page (but no article) is considered "notable" just as if he had his own page? Is that how it works? If so, that makes little sense. Having merely a redirect page is the same thing as saying "this person is not notable enough to have his own article". No? What am I missing here? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

No, Joseph. Wylie's clean up crew comes in at the end of the month and tests all the links. They are removed if they are redirects just like a normal red link. Like WWGB said, it is simply impossible to police all of the possible redirects. As far as the 2nd part, it makes it difficult to create articles when people redirect it (takes a little more than a novice user to create the page), but it is still possible to create a page for them.Sunnydoo (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation and clarification. I was not aware of that. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:EDRED, should anyone wonder why they get created. Personally, I think some that get created from listings here at Deaths arise from editors' beliefs that, since they are listed and believed notable, they should be created with a redirect to companies, bands, spouses, etc. As stated, this is impossible to police, except to remove off the monthly pages at the appointed time. If anyone wishes to debate the creations, please go to WP:RFD and list till your heart's content. Also, there is the age-old debate of "why now?" when it comes to creating anything from this page, but why have biography books if a person's past doesn't matter after they're dead? — Wyliepedia 08:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd rather read about dead people. There, stories have endings. Nothing is worse than reaching the bottom of an article to read "As of 2009, Livingston resides in Bangor, Maine with his third wife, Judy." Nothing. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Lauren Bacall

Lauren Bacall won two Tony Awards. That should be included in her entry; so, I did so. However, her credits listed are all films. Which, I assume, she is more well-known for, than her Tony-winning roles on stage. Nonetheless, perhaps someone can change the wording so that the entry does not imply that the Tony Awards were awarded for those three films listed. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Furthermore, isn't Key Largo one of her most well-known films? Even perhaps her "signature" film? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The first 2 Bacall-Bogart films are the more significant- To Have and Have Not for her performance and quotation ("Just put your lips together and blow"), The Big Sleep is on the AFI list and is on the US Library of Congress list for protection. The case to be made is for How to Marry a Millionaire. It was different than most of her other roles being a comedy and also featured Betty Grable and Marilyn Monroe. Her only Academy Award nomination (and Golden Globe winner) was for the Mirror has Two Faces.Sunnydoo (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:37, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Abel Laudonio

Hi. Just a heads-up to say that the editors of the page Abel Laudonio appear to be blaming the drug aciclovir for his death without properly sourcing that claim. The references quoted (both the same link!) mention nothing about aciclovir, and when Googled, the claim turns in on itself and self-perpetuates i.e. the only links to mention aciclovir are either wikis or 'harvester' of wikis. Try it. Basically, the editors of the article can do more or less what they like, but I don't think we should be repeating misinformation in the "Deaths" listings. It's a bogus cause of death. Truly reliable sources mention only "health complications from a stroke in 2009". Anyone with a bit of time on their hands, take a look please? Thanks. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I cannot find aciclovir in any reliable source. I have removed it from the article and the death list. WWGB (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. And I declare an extra interest too. I was treated with aciclovir in the 1980s to combat a Bell's facial Palsy - and I can vouch for its safe use in the vast majority of cases. I see no reason why it should get a bad press either, through this misinformation. Best wishes for your help. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@86.112.58.46:: On a final note, the misunderstanding came about because the source gave the cause of death as complications of ACV. An editor assumed ACV was an abbreviation for aciclovir (which it is) when in fact it is also an acronym for "accidente cerebrovascular", which is the Spanish term for a stroke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WWGB (talk • contribs) 20:57, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

All is now clear. Thanks for that. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 06:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit request August 23

Inga Juuso

http://www.nordlys.no/nyheter/article7544649.ece

(link in Norwegian)

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Albert Ebossé Bodjongo

It was reported that he was hit with a rock. Source: Soccer star Albert Ebosse dies after hit by rock at Algerian game. Is there any reason we are using the generic word "projectile"? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Why not change it? WP:BOLD 86.112.58.46 (talk) 06:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request - August 14

• Stephen Lee, 58, American actor (The Negotiator, Burlesque, WarGames)[9]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.94.238 (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks! — Wyliepedia 04:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Charles Vacca

Famous for being shot. Really. What have we all been saying from time to time about this kind of article and, more saliently, this kind of entry into the "Deaths" list? 86.112.58.46 (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

See above entry on this Talk Page, entitled "Notable death of a non-notable person". Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Glenn Cornick, former bass player of Jethro Tull

The original bass player of rock grupo Jethro Tull passed away today August the 29th. http://jethrotull.com/glenn-cornick-290814/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.27.103.226 (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Samuel Sadela

Greetings,

Regarding this source: http://www.punchng.com/news/nigerias-oldest-pastor-samuel-sadela-dies-at-114/: It may be a source to tell us that he's died but it's NOT a reliable source when it comes to determining his age. Remember, this is a longevity claimant. While there are several genuine claims to 114+ years old, there are many fraudulent ones. In Mr Sadela's entry on Deaths in 2014, he is described as "Nigerian pastor, unverified claimant for world's oldest man". Note the word UNVERIFIED. His age has not been proven and therefore is subject to doubt. Only seven verified men have ever lived to the age of 114, so it's quite a claim. Therefore, I say that a question mark should be put beside his age until/unless his age can be proven.

Cheers,

Ollie231213 (talk) 16:05, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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