Talk:Cozy game

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that cozy games became a common term following the release of Animal Crossing: New Horizons? Source: 'it became a more common term following the release of Animal Crossing: New Horizons' - from the cozy game article itself.
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  • Comment: Sorry if this DKY nomination is bad and cannot word the source and hook properly. It is my first nomination. And since I am not at five nominations yet, I am not required to review another article. Also, this is just inside the seven day period btw.

Created by Andrzejbanas (talk). Nominated by JuniperChill (talk) at 18:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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• New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Hook fact checks out ([1]). I'd like to suggest a rewording of the same hook fact: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT0a ... that Animal Crossing: New Horizons sparked a boom in the popularity of cozy games?
    • that sounds more like it. In other words, I agree with the change since this is my first DYK and idk how to word it properly. I didn't know it had to be from a website source and not Wikipedia itself. this was where I got it from. Looks like the creater (not me) forgot to include the website source. JuniperChill (talk) 11:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Hi @JuniperChill:. Thanks for nominating the article! For the record, it is cited, its just in the prose. Leads of articles don't usually need citations outside some special cases. So everything in the lead of an article generally refers to cited material in the actual meat and potatoes of the prose. Hope that clarifies everything! Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
        • (I initially intended not to reply to this comment so that is why it is sent 4 days later) Your welcome @Andrzejbanas:. I am interested in cosy games and often play Stardew Valley and Sun Haven and stuff which is why I nominated for DYK. I never thought this page existed but hey, I was lucky to nominate it just inside the 7 day period. JuniperChill (talk) 23:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• Sorry, but there's too much close paraphrasing happening for my liking. Too many phrases from the gamesindustry.biz have been adopted. Can we please see a bit more phrasing in original prose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwede66 (talk • contribs)
  • @Andrzejbanas and JuniperChill: Please address this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
    • @Sammi Brie: looks like someone (who is not me or Andrzejbanas) already did, as addressed in this diff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cozy_game&diff=1217963522&oldid=1217838238 JuniperChill (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. Thanks for pinging Juniper Hill. I'm out on holiday in London for a week so I don't believe I could get to it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• • • • Restoring tick. Thanks to Rhain for tackling this. Also pinging Schwede66 for awareness. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Genre vs. gameplay element

While a recent source added does discuss "coziness" as a game play element, that does not deny that more modern and contemporary sources have expanded onto it as a genre itself. It has since had several publications discussing it as its own genre and how the games are identified. Finding an article form 2018 does not dictate that the style has come into its own as a genre since then (see the later articles form 2020) and the more contemporary sources back this up. Please don't change it again without discussion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Assuming cozy game is a genre, could you elaborate what specific gameplay elements separate it from other genres? I don't have the bandwidth to go through multiple references, so it would help if you could filter it down to the gist of it. Almost all examples of "cozy games" fall into either the farming sim / walking sim or related genres afaik, with PC Gamer specifically mentioning that whether cozy gaming refers to a genre or a gameplay element is a gray area. However, going by the definition of video game genre here on Wiki, I'm strongly inclined to believe cozy game is not a genre. So either the cozy game article needs to be changed, or the video game genre one. As for reverting, I don't intend to unless there's a resolution to this. Thanks. --CoolingGibbon (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Specifically the 2020 Gameindustry.biz and the Game Developer from 2022 and 2024 go into this, but whether your personal beliefs are here are there doesn't really matter because I stuck to the most recent sources on this. As for the wiki, the article you suggested states "informal classification of a video game based on how it is played rather than visual or narrative elements." In this case, the articles do go into specific gameplay elements which is already mentioned in the article. If you don't have time to read the article on hand as you suggested (there are only about 5 sources) I don't really understand why you made a grand sweep to change intro against the sources within the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Specifically the 2020 Gameindustry.biz and the Game Developer from 2022 and 2024 go into this

Alright so I assume your argument is based on these specific sources, correct? I'll go through them and see if there any differing opinions.

If you don't have time to read the article on hand as you suggested (there are only about 5 sources) I don't really understand why you made a grand sweep to change intro against the sources within the article.

It's true I don't have time to go through all the articles posted on this page, and frankly I don't think that's necessary. All I need to understand is your rationale for reverting my changes. Hence my request for clarification.

Furthermore, I'd hardly consider the changes I made to be sweeping, especially when I mentioned the recent PC gamer article which categorically states that the term "cozy game" is a gray area. (Ref: Link) Regardless, I'll go through the specific articles you mentioned and see if I can come up with some of my own. Thanks. --CoolingGibbon (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)