Talk:Commercial sexual exploitation of children

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NPOV

I'm not sure if this article is POV, but it keeps saying that commercial sexual exploitation of children is "bad". The article on murder does not explicitly say that it is bad, but defines it and talks about its legal status. Is this article NPOV? Eyu100^{(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team)} 23:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Well, first of all, I don't see the word "bad" as such anywhere. "Worst" is used a couple of times, but at least the first use (and thus presumably subsequent uses) references the ILO's description of it - that is, the article is not saying it is bad, but saying that ILO says that it is bad. Second of all, it seems so incontrovertible that it is bad that it's probably not necessary to bend over backwards to avoid implying this. I'm sure the article on Murder is permitted to say "...the problem of random murders..." etc. without having to prove that random murders are a problem. I've removed the tag. Herostratus 13:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge w/ Child prostitution

They are exactly the same topic, by definition.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesimo (talk • contribs) 06:50 UTC, 19 June 2007

• No merger - child prostitution is large enough to be a separate article. PianoKeys 17:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

This question has been raised again at Talk:Child prostitution#Merge discussion. -- Beland (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Statistics

I have a problem with statistics which find that 2.8 millions children in the US are "throwaway youth". It seems to me enormous: nearly 1% of the whole US population, which in turn would translate to about 1-2 kid out of 10. This is possible, but so massive there must be better sources than newspaper articles and stats from advocacy groups.

Also, child prostitution being illegal, law enforcement statistics must be available to give more solid numbers.CyrilleDunant (talk) 15:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

According to the NRS's own statistics [1] it seems the "lured to prostitution in 48 hours" is basically invented -- I could find no trace of it in peer-reviewed research, and less than 1% of calls are linked to that. This info might come from another source (although the article quoted reports the stat as coming from there). I will therefore soon remove this statement, unless someone can dig the source.CyrilleDunant (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

International Additions

In order to create a more well rounded perspective I think there needs to be additional research done on specific areas which are labeled Tier 1 in the human sex trafficking records. I will be researching Georgia, in particular, as a part of my semester project, hopefully my research will add some complexity to this page. AllieQuinn7 (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC)alliequinn7

Blacklisted source in United States section.

I recently edited this section and found that adding a link to the online URL for one of the cited sources caused a WP:BLACKLIST refusal (www.examiner.com/article/washington-dc-a-sexual-playground-for-pimps-and-johns-exposing-child-prostitution-rings-dc -- cannot provide linkable URL here due to blacklisting). I didn't delete the mention from the article, but it probably needs a look. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:38, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Try here Wikipedia:Spam blacklist. ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 02:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Causes: men prefer younger prostitutes

I believe there could be an addition to the "Causes" section explaining that men (I don't know if it's the same with women) tend to prefer (and pay more for) younger prostitutes (both girls and boys). This seems to happen both with pornography and prostitution. It seems that prostitutes frequently lie about their age, saying they're younger than they really are.

I don't add this section myself because I don't really dominate the science on this issue, although I have heard it quoted and I think there is data available to support these statements (obviously, to support them only as a noticeable trend, not as a necessary preference of every consumer).

This sort of thing explained as a "cause" goes more directly to the root of the phenomena, to the motivations for the whole ghastly circus of exploitation of children. Callmepgr (talk) 15:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

By who's standards?

  "The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) states that roughly one out of every five girls and one out of every ten boys will be sexually exploited or abused before they become of age."

By whose standards? Most of the children exploited commercially are in other countries, which frequently has lower age of consent, meaning that while they would be "abused children" by US and other 1st world nation's standards, they aren't in the nation where it occurred. Are we just going to assume that the US standard of 18 years just automatically is the miraculous age of consent, wherever you are? A lot of places, I believe it's 12. There are European nations where it's 15 or 16. I think I read somewhere that it's 14 in Canada(?) These considerations will make those statistics vary a lot depending on where you place the cutoff...there are a hell of a lot more girls (and boys) who enter into prostitution between the age of 16-18 than there are between the age 10-12. I personally see it as a whole separate thing...yes, they're all legally children, but to me there is a world of difference between a 16 year old and a 10 year old girl, and using phrases like this suggests to the person who doesn't think much that one out of five kids is sexually exploited before they reach puberty (and what does "exploited mean"? Does that mean CSEC, or just general abuse? Because I seem to recall having read somewhere that "1 out of 4 girls are abused before they turn 18", which doesn't mean commercially exploited). I also have to question the statistic on basic grounds...where do they even get these numbers? The world is huge; how many nations did they go too, how many people did they ask, how honest were they, and of course, by what standards are they defining this? AnnaGoFast (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

100,000 child victims of sex trafficking

I've removed the part about "currently at least 100,000 child victims of sex trafficking". This has been debunked here: [2] Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Text removed from "Government involvement" section

This chunk of text was problematic, so I removed it, but it may be getting at some things worth putting into the article:

Unfortunately, many government officials turn a blind eye to child sexual exploitation and just as many encourage it. Japan and the United States are the most prolific in terms of their exploitation of children. "During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military developed 'recreation and rest centers,' a type of government-subsidized tourist trade." Reports note that these rest and recreation centers were closely associated with prostitutes and brothels.

The first sentence is unreferenced and makes a strong claim about the relative prevalence of some shocking practices. It would be interesting to have some information about which countries have government officials that are encouraging prostitution, and how common that is compared to ignoring it or being bribed to ignore it. This does not seem like the sort of thing that is the same in all countries, so it would be nice not to generalize when making those claims.

The claim about Japan and the United States is also unreferenced. When I read it, I was wondering if this only had in mind what child sexual exploitation happens during wartime? Given other statistics I've read, this claim seems unlikely to be true, so maybe it is an uninformed opinion or taken from Chinese propaganda or something? If true, it should be supported by numbers so we can "show not tell" a hard-to-believe claim.

The claim about the Vietnam War doesn't say anything about child prostitution specifically. It's also vague about whether the U.S. military encouraged the creation of brothels, or whether those sprung up independently to take advantage of concentrated demand. Even if true, would those same authorities be equally encouraging or tolerant of child prostitution? It seems a bit of a stretch if this is trying to support the claim that the some employees of the U.S. government encourage child prostitution. The Vietnam War was also a long time ago. If we have relevant things to say about it, I think it would make more sense to put that in a section on the history of child prostitution (which might belong in Child prostitution rather than this article) or child sexual exploitation during wartime (in which case there are lots of other conflict worth mentioning, and which for fairness and balance really must be mentioned). -- Beland (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Dangers and consequences

Am I the only one who feels that “psychological deterioration” should be further specified? WikiJanitorPerson (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Bare URLs

I'm surprised at how many bare URLs there are in this article, including at least one advertising a law firm. Is this topic a special exception to the rule? --24.80.199.58 (talk) 09:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)