Talk:Clan Robertson

Merge from Clan Duncan

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We seem to have a huge WP:CONTENTFORK going on here. There's a separate article at Clan Duncan but this article, Clan Robertson, says it's the same clan, and this article is more developed. I ultimately don't care which of the three (or four, if you count the Donnachie anglicisation) names is used for the article title; should probably be whichever one the clan most uses "officially". PS: A lot of the text at Clan Duncan seems like material lifted from (or written by someone associated with) a latter-day clan association that is pushing for things like separate Lord Lyon recognition and so forth. So, this might actually be a full-on WP:POVFORK.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:43, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Dunalistair Castle

Dunalistair Castle is NOT the historic seat of the Chiefs of Clan Donnachaidh. This is a persistent and common misperception. It is near the site of where the Poet Chief lived (13trh chief) but the current ruin is nothing to do with the clan. Source - my father is Alexander Gilbert Robertson (current chief) and I am the heir. Arobertson410 (talk) 07:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

If you have a verifiable source, please present it. Until then, I've again reverted your removal of the referenced material in the article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Mike - this is literally my family's history. Here is a link to the page of the current owners. History of Dunalastair Estate, Clan Donnachaidh and the Macdonalds You may think you have a source but I can assure you it is bogus! Arobertson410 (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I respect that it's your family's history, but you need to provide a reliable source. Please don't continue to remove existing sources until you can do so. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Mike - you can quote me. This is my family's history and I AM a source. You, I'm afraid are quoting from an unreliable and false record. If you wish this article to be correct and not perpetuating a popular misconception you should trust verifiable and accurate information and not persist in incorrectly amending information which is plain wrong. Please amend and put it back to the factually correct position which I provided. Arobertson410 (talk) 22:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Verifiability is not established by your own word. A better source is needed than a commercial travel website. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Mike - I'm afraid you are ignorantly perpetuating a verifiably false piece of information. Just because something is published on the web does not make it true as you should be aware. The house was built in 1854 which is after my the then chief sold the land in 1854 so it is chronological impossible for it to be anything to do with the clan. Secret Scotland - Dunalastair House A Place in the Shade — Larry E. Boerder | Traditional & Classical Architecture (larryboerder.com) Arobertson410 (talk) 06:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Name & Translation Clarification

For editors.

Donnachaidh is and has never been Scottish Gaelic for Robertson, nor have Robertsons argued Donnachaidh is in fact Robertson. Donnachaidh is Gaelic for Duncan & similar variation, MAC-Donnachaidh (Son of Duncan) as stated.

MacRoibeirt is a Gaelic equivalent, however with clans comes custom & practice. The Robertson's claim to be sons of Duncan, however technically yes they should not use the Germanic "Robertson", which is is more aligned to the lowland Germanic and/or Norse practises of placing Son at the end of the forenames, in theory (the going argument) is that they should use Duncan, Duncanson etc.

Clan Robertson uses Robertson when & where communicating within the English language, however identify as Duncan's Sons in Scots Gaelic. Please read the front page carefully before editing & conduct some background studies. 194.73.217.219 (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)