Talk:Christian Laettner

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Why was the information about his $25million in judgements to creditors removed? It is well sourced and included links to newspaper accounts regarding the Johnny Dawkins attorney's attempts to have Laetnner and Davis found in contempt for failure to divulge financial records (Dawkins is one of the aforementioned creditors). I thought this was an information repository not a fan boy page.24.59.250.249 (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I added the part about him pretending to be gay. It's not poorly sourced; there are quotes from Krszyweski saying he planted quotes in the paper to further the rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.132.210.193 (talk) 22:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no way the stomp has overshadowed his game winning shot against Kentucky.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.228.3.213 (talk • contribs)

I agree. You can't turn on a TV in March without seeing his shot, and the stomp has retreated back into the pack of other "Laettner's a jerk" things. The stomp belongs in here, but that particular sentence doesn't, so I've taken it out and reworded the passage a bit. -Colin Kimbrell 14:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Do very many people really consider Laettner "the greatest college basketball player of all time"? Most people agree he had an extraordinary college career, but I've never met anyone who has said he's the best EVER.

No, almost no one would consider him the best of all time. --Liface 06:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not positive but I would imagine that JJ Redick broke Laettner's record for three point field goal percentage this year

Does anyone know if Christian Laettner Retired?

I have lost track. He has been on so many teams and injured so much that I don't know if he is even playing anymore.

Yes, he retired to his home in Florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dukerulez32 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

DRUG USAGE

I think this article should comment on the end of his career, and also his drug usage. He's painted pretty favourably in the article, i'm not bashing him or being anti, just, his downfall should be commented upon...he did fail 3 drug tests...

see: sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1707573

I added that material. Does anybody know if he recieved treatment for his drug addiction or if he is still using drugs?--24.250.59.250 (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Timberlake

It doesn't matter to me whether it says "stepped" or "stomped". "Intentionally" is the word that matters. I think the article is fair and well-documented now. Thanks Dubc0724 18:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If it doesn't matter then why did you replace "Laettner also became known among Kentucky fans for another incident in the same Duke-Kentucky game. As Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake was lying on the floor after a foul, Laettner appeared to intentionally step on his chest, allegedly in retaliation for a foul earlier in the game." with this: "Laettner also became known among Kentucky fans for another incident in the same Duke-Kentucky game. As Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake was lying on the floor after a foul, Laettner intentionally stomped on his chest, allegedly in retaliation for a foul earlier in the game" ?  :) Duke53 18:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Because stomp was a better description of what he did. However, it's easier to let it go and use "stepped" than to try to find a source using the exact word "stomped" in order to pacify you. That's all. Thanks Dubc0724 18:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

PS All three sources worked; and at least one included "stomp".  :-) Dubc0724 18:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

For someone who professes that " ... I also have enough respect for the encyclopedia we're supposedly working on to produce good faith edits, rather than push my POV." you seem to have pushed your POV a few times lately.

Remember, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Duke53 19:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you're talking about. Most all I've done lately is provide sources as requested, most of which are sources for edits other than my own. Just tryin' to help. Dubc0724 19:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

At 15:00, August 21, 2006, on the Duke University page, you added to "The graduation rate of Duke's football players is consistently among the highest among Division I-A schools" the following qualifier: because Duke players rarely reach the NFL. NPOV? Not in your wildest wet dream. Weasel words? You betcha. If you're gonna preach then follow your own guidelines. I'm not going to waste time by citing other instances, but they are there. Duke53 19:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

"Duke football players rarely reach the NFL" is true. There are no weasel words in there; you might want to consult WP:Weasel for more information. I will admit that it was poorly worded and Duke fans editors reverted it. Perhaps when I have more time, I can substantiate it. But for now it's not a priority. It does however make me feel all warm & fuzzy to know that reading all my edits means so much to you. Thanks! Dubc0724 19:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky football players rarely make the NFL - so why is Kentucky's grad rate for football so low? Your edit was a stupid cheap shot that belongs on idiotic football messageboards and fan sites, not on Wikipedia.

Care to define 'rarely'? Duke53 19:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, yeah - that's what I meant when I said "when I have more time, I can substantiate it". I agree that rarely was a poor choice of words. Geez, I said I was wrong already... :-) Dubc0724 20:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't read my edits and comments? Meh.

Take your time on that edit, it would have to be a dandy.Duke53 23:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The whole mention of the Timberlake incident is so trivial with respect to Laettner's career, I don't think it even belongs here. Only KY fans would feel the need for it to be here. Why don't we discuss other fouls as well? Over 4 years, I guess he had quite a few. That would be an interesting discussion. The fact is, mention of the incident - if it belongs anywhere - might be a better fit for Timberlake's wiki entry if anyone would care to create one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfstick (talk • contribs)

It's notable because it was a big deal at the time. It wasn't about a "foul" in the normal sense. Love him or hate him, Laettner was not typically a "dirty" player, so his actions in the Kentucky game stood out like a sore thumb. And it was especially memorable given his otherwise flawless performance in that game. Dubc0724 18:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Laettner's last second shot was not a bankshot

I'm not a Duke, UNC or Kentucky fan, but watching this edit war develop has been sad. I reviewed a tape of the incident in question and I would have to say that while Laettner's actions were certainly unsporting, if a 6-11, 245 lb. man 'stomps' his foot in your stomach and you get up at all, it’s not much of a stomp. Additionally, it was fifteen years ago. Let it go! Put that energy to better use and work on some other article that could use your help. Вasil | talk 14:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the stepping/stomping incident paragraph. The incident, while perhaps notable at the time, was sixteen years ago and is not what Laettner is know most known for. The paragraph was also the subject of a lame edit war, so perhaps removing it will settle things down. I also switched two other paragraphs around for better flow. alanyst ^/talk/ 04:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

request

Can an admin ban the (mostly) single purpose account that keeps vandalizing this article, please? Thank You. 05:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

{{helpme}}Why is this single user account allowed to continually vandalism this one article? Duke53 | ^Talk 23:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

You can make a notification at WP:ANI. Mion (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

request made at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Christian_Laettner_semi_protect_s.v.p Mion (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

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LOUISVILLE PRESBYTERIAN THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY

I'm starting to believe that one doesn't need to be able to read to attend this fine institution of higher learning.[1] Duke53 | ^Talk 01:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

They are at it again ... can we ban this address, and force their members to register ? Duke53 | ^Talk 09:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

HOF Status

Just so there's no misunderstandings, the entire 1992 "Dream Team" was inducted into the HOF as a team. So this would make Laettner a HOFer. Guys like Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc. would then be considered two-time HOFers (going in as individuals, and as part of the Dream Team). Vjmlhds (talk) 00:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Laettner is NOT considered a HOFer on his own. That's why guys like Jordan and Ewing get inducted as individuals. Rikster2 (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Small typo

"The shot was also named the most memorable basketball shot of all-time (including the NBA, college, and high school) by The Best Damn Sports Show Period in 2007.[9] and the fifth most unforgettable sports moment of all-time across all sports in 2006."

Period after 2007 should be removed.

Infobox

Why I trimmed the infobox: To quote my prior edit comment, "prune items from infobox that are either insignificant or redundant to those already prominent in the text." Insisting on a one-size-fits-all infobox is ham-fisted; rather, the box's fields should be tailored to enhance the article. My trimmed one is better because it a) only adds relevant info not already in the body and b) doesn't extend past the intro & TOC (at least on my screen) whereas the old one extends way too far down, even after hiding the medal list and c) is not too NBA-heavy, which is important for Laettner because virtually all of his significance is his college career. -Testpored (talk) 04:18, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I am going to ask that you hold off on this will I invite other editors to discuss. Laettner is hardly unique and it is incorrect to say virtually all of his significance is as a college player - he was an NBA All-Star and an Olympic Gold medalist. The infobox has had a LOT of discussion and you are deleting valuable fields - it is meant to encapsulate his total career so some repetition is expected. Also, you are doing things like eliminating the college, draft and high school fields, which are important. I ask others to weigh in. Rikster2 (talk) 04:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

"only adds relevant info not already in the body": This is contrary to MOS:INFOBOX: "the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts that appear in the article." As a point of reference, here is the current style guide for NBA bios: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Style advice. Feel free to suggest improvements. While exceptions are sometimes needed, articles are generally consistent.—Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I emphatically disagree with your changes and your reasoning in support of them. Redundancy between the infobox and the article is not a fault—it's completely expected and necessary in a well-developed article. The infobox exists to highlight key characteristics, accomplishments, etc., in the most distilled format possible. One would naturally expect and hope that such things would be covered more thoroughly in prose throughout the article. Your changes render the existence of the multifarious infobox fields completely superfluous, facilitate no easier access to information, and are at complete variance with the practice—developed over time through consensus—in thousands of articles on other sports figures. Indeed, your justifications for your changes contradict the stated purposes of all Wiki infoboxes. I cannot think of a single good reason in support of this change. João Do Rio (talk) 05:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I respect the fact that the three of you have made countless basketball-related edits and have arrived at an infobox format over time. As this is the only basketball article I've done extensive edits to, I was solely focused on improving this article and had no cause to think of other ones. Seeing how you're rather adamant on this item, I'll leave it be with only one minor change - hiding the medal list by default, e.g. Serena Williams. -Testpored (talk) 12:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I've started a related discussion on handling of medals at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball#Medals_in_infobox_of_bio.—Bagumba (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Lead getting sparser

An earlier version of the lead, which was already (too) limited, has been trimmed as of this latest version. Per MOS:INTRO: "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article." Instead of trimming back his non-college accomplishments, his college highlights should be enhanced to provide due weight in the lead. I proposing at a minimum to restoring the previous lead, with no prejudice to emphasizing his college legacy further thereafter.—Bagumba (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Disagree. The whole reason I started editing this page in the first place over a month ago (permalink to my first edit) was because the lead was weak: no mention of Kentucky shot or hatred. The current one concisely summarizes what makes him significant without any of the secondary points already in the body. -Testpored (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the first paragraph of the lead should emphasize his college notability. However, what is the rationale for excluding other major accomplishments from subsequent paragraphs in the lead e.g. 1st round pick of 1992 NBA draft, his current role as a coach, or his induction into Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame as member of Olympic team. Information like his draft team, the Minnesota Timberwolves, or his representing the Atlanta Hawks as an All-Star, also put his career in proper context. These do not seem like "secondary points", as they rob those who will only read the lead of a concise summary.—Bagumba (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Good points about the draft pick and mentioning All-Star was with the Hawks. I'll add those now. But the Dream Team HOF to me doesn't need to be mentioned in the intro because he was the 12th man, and it already emphasizes how prestigous it was for him to be the only collegiate selected in the first place. Plus their HOF is clearly stated twice in the article. To me a brief tenure as D-Leauge assistant only merits brief mention in the body, as it is now. -Testpored (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I mistakenly thought he was still a coach, so I'm OK with leaving it out. As for Olympic team HOF, it's quite an honor, 12th man or not, and I don't consider the lead to be too long to necessitate trimming this. To a non-basketball fan, the team's impact would be easier to grasp than a Neologism like "Dream Team" in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Added HOF to intro & fixed infobox. -Testpored (talk) 22:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

NBA Career

I believe there should be a little more detail about his NBA career. For a man who spent 12 seasons playing, there are surely more details to be published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.240.136.173 (talk) 05:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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While there is a lot of information about Laettner's early life and his high school and college basketball careers there is not much about his nba life and post-basketball life. There's only several sentences about each his nba life and post-nba life yet it takes up the majority of his life. They don't talk about his suspension for marijuana use much or his one all-star season with the Hawks, there could have been much more time spent on his nba career. There is an over-emphasis on his ability to perform in the clutch during his basketball career. There are several reliable sources in the references section coming from ESPN, nytimes, and basketball reference and most of the links work as well.

While there is a lot of information about Laettner's early life and his high school and college basketball careers there is not much about his nba life and post-basketball life. There's only several sentences about each his nba life and post-nba life yet it takes up the majority of his life. They don't talk about his suspension for marijuana use much or his one all-star season with the Hawks, there could have been much more time spent on his nba career. There is an over-emphasis on his ability to perform in the clutch during his basketball career. There are several reliable sources in the references section coming from ESPN, nytimes, and basketball reference and most of the links work as well.

-Newlankh (talk) 02:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Duke Teammates?

How can this entry call Laettner "the" star player with no mention at all of Grant Hill or Bobby Hurley? Daniel S Riley (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)