Talk:Carrie Underwood discography

The Coloumn issue

We'll move the discussion here, but frankly, the reason I object to the addition of columns is the fact that it will get cluttered later on. Hypothetically speaking, if one of the albums manages to go platnium in Australia, but just say, it doesn't in America, not only will there be a unnecessary addition of a column, but also, it will be cause major blank spaces. Blank spaces I don't think are allowed in tables, I don't know, I'll check with MOS. But I feel its gonna get all convuluded and messy. σмgнgσмg^(talk) 11:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

if you don't like "blanks", just add some "—". Anyway, I'm sure Carrie won't get any certifications in other countries in a few years. she is a country artist, and only few gained popularity worldwide. usually, this kind of column is mostly used for country artists in US and Canada.Langdon (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)i7114080

Uh, but then "—" already denotes something else. So, in essence, there isn't any thing you could represent with that. σмgнgσмg^(talk) 06:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

A dash means it wasn't certified, the same way it means a single/album didn't chart. CloversMallRat (talk) 05:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we should use a different notation, for example, "×".

Charted songs

Removed the "I Told You So" current chart position of #114. There is no such thing as a chart postion of #114 on a 100 song chart. A song that is on the Bubbling Under chart at #14 is not the same thing as chart position #114 because songs that fall off the Hot 100 could, in theory, be the next songs in line at 101, 102, 103, etc, even though they're not eligible for the Bubbling Under chart. Therefore, there is truly no way of knowing if a song really is #114 if it's not on the Hot 100. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.214.98 (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Canadian country charts & placing US Hot 100 first

I have placed the US Billboard Hot 100 and 200 albums charts first per WP:Charts & Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 18:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, country charts must be placed first because she is a country artist. Langdon (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080

Agreed. I see nothing in WP:CHARTS that says that the Hot 100 goes first. Diamond Rio discography, also a featured list, puts the country positions first. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 22:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes/definitions of the three single sections

Recently some changes were made that do not make sense, [1], so I am starting a discussion here. According to the new changes "Inside Your Heaven" is no longer Carrie's first single. Discography singles do not usually have release dates listed on Wikipedia, so why would one section need release dates but not the other two. What exactly are "one-track albums" stated in the edit summary above. Also why would "Temporary Home" need to be in two different sections?

Furthermore, I think we need clear and distinct criteria for the single sections. What exactly is the difference between "The following singles were not released to any radio formats, but some were charted from unsolicited airplay." and "These songs were charted from unsolicited airplay and/or sales on Billboard charts." Since these changes have been challenged, I am going to revert back to the previous version. Aspects (talk) 03:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The Other singles & Other charted songs sections are confusing to me. To me, "The following singles were not released to any radio formats, but some were charted from unsolicited airplay." & "These songs were charted from unsolicited airplay and/or sales on Billboard charts." are basically the exact same thing. I think both sections need to be merged into one. Nowyouseeme | wanna chat? 07:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I think the whole thing just needs to be rewritten. It's so confusing, and there are so many words. Something does need to be done about this. No wonder it lost its FL position. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 14:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad someone else thinks this page needs work too, I made this to work on it, if u want to help. Theres a part in 'Other charted songs' that I cant fix and its driving me f***ing crazy.. Nowyouseeme | wanna chat? 16:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I have devided all Carrie's singles and songs into 3 groups.

1. Official singles: the single was released to the radio and released for sale (on iTunes or physical).
2. Sales only singles: the single was released for sale but not released to the radio.
3. Other charted songs: Songs were not released at all, but appeared on Billboard charts.

Therefore, "Inside Your Heaven" would be put into the second category, even though the song is the first single in Carrie's career. Langdon (talk) 05:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The two separate sections especially with the "These songs charted from unsolicited airplay and/or digital downloads." under the Other charted songs is more simple, more straightforward and makes more sense than your three sections. The three sections really makes no sense when talking about "Inside Your Heaven" because it was her first official, but under your sections people would think it was not. You have been trying to move "Inside Your Heaven" out of the main singles chart since January with no real explanation. Also the smaller 9pt font is not needed because the regular sized font fits equally in the chart and is easier to see. Because there seems to be a consensus between myself, Nowyouseeme and EnDaLeCoMpLeX for the two sections I am going to revert back to the consensus version. Aspects (talk) 06:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Aspects. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Country Airplay chart

Now that Billboard has changed the methodology of Hot Country Songs to now include airplay and sales, and has created a new chart for the airplay only, Country Airplay, this airplay chart is a component chart of Hot Country Songs and should not be per WP:CHARTS. The column is confusing because the Country Airplay chart was just created and only "Blown Away" has charted on it, but since it already charted on the Hot Country Songs, it is not needed. Also the column links to Hot Country Songs, when it is not the same chart. There was previously a Mediabase reference, which made readers think the column is a Mediabase chart, which is incorrect. Finally Mediabase is generally not used on Wikipedia since there is not a database to verify the peak positions. Therefore I am going to remove the column with a mention in the edit summary to see this discussion, so hopefully a consensus can be formed. Aspects (talk) 18:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I totally disagree with removing the Country Airplay Chart.

Billboard now has two distinct charts, The Radio Airplay Chart that is published on Mondays & The Hot 100 Country Chart that is published on Wednesday.

Here's a link to today's Radio Airplay Chart that shows Blown Away as the #1 song: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2012/country_update_1015.pdf

This link shows that the Country Airplay Chart will still be used to determine #1 singles albeit separate from the Hot 100 Country Chart: http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/up-and-away-carrie-underwood-crowns-country-1007980942.story#/column/chartbeat/up-and-away-carrie-underwood-crowns-country-1007980942.story

Since these charts are based on different criteria they will be radically different from week to week...example Taylor Swift #1 & #2 on the Hot country Charts and not even ranked on the Radio Airplay Chart and that's why both charts need to be including for each country artist. If the Hot Country Songs Chart is listed as the only US Country chart very few mainstream artist will see another #1. TexasVet (talk) 20:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I totally agree with the above about keeping both charts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.237.48 (talk) 00:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

All I can seem to gleam from your long rant is that you do not like the changes made to the Hot Country Songs chart, and therefore we should use both charts because you like the Country Airplay chart better. You in no way argue against my point that Country Airplay chart is a component chart used to figure out the Hot Country Songs chart. There is also a Country Digital Sales Chart, [2], that is also a component chart of the Hot Country Songs chart and should likewise not be listed if the songs charts on the Hot Country Songs chart. This is how Billboard component charts are handled here on Wikipedia, see WP:CHARTS. You also seem to be confused on the consensus issue, the Country Airplay chart should be left off of the article until there is a consensus for it to be added. As such, I am going to go back to the previous version that does not contain the chart since there is an ongoing discussion. Aspects (talk) 04:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

If Airplay is just a component chart why would Billboard invest the time and funds to feature it as the primary chart in their Monday Updates ? Seems to me it's on equal footing with the new Hot Country Songs Chart that's published on Thursdays. http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2012/country_update_1015.pdf I noticed today that someone with an IP from Vietnam reversed you and restored the Airplay version...will that count toward the consensus? TexasVet (talk) 18:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Similar discussion at Country Charts Talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts#Country_charts TexasVet (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

As seen at the discussion on WT:CHARTS, the industry itself seems to be putting precedence on the airplay-only chart (such as congratulating Lee Brice on a #1 on the Airplay chart). This does not seem to be at all a similar case to Hot 100 vs. Hot 100 Airplay. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Reference wiki administrator KWW comments at WT:CHARTS, says no reason not to use both charts so I added them back today. NOTE - my comments for the edit should have referenced WT:CHARTS not WP:CHARTS. TexasVet (talk) 20:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I would like to point out that just because an admin states an opinion in a discussion does not make the rest of the discussion for consensus moot. Kww was not acting as an admin when they presented their opinion, they were acting as any other editor would be. I am going to make a reply there, but I do find it sad that even with both charts listed that there are still some people changing the #2 rank to an incorrect #1 rank. Aspects (talk) 04:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The person you were referring to has a UK IP address so perhaps wasn't aware of the new Billboard Country Chart methodology. TexasVet (talk) 05:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Splitting main singles by decade

While there is nothing inherently "wrong" with the current layout of the singles section, I feel that splitting the singles table by decade (in this case, 2000s and 2010s) would benefit the readability and also reduce the number of non-charting em-dashses since no singles since "Before He Cheats" (2006) have charted at AC, and the Canada Country chart is only applicable to "Good Girl" (2012) and subsequent releases. In my experience, most artists with the volume of releases that Carrie does feature split tables in their discography (see Lady Antebellum discography, Blake Shelton discography, Jason Aldean discography). This would also avoid the Hot Country Songs / Country Airplay confusion that resulted in the merged columns not typical of other country music discographies.

Initially I had planned to open discussion here before making the change, but since there was no good way to direct users to this Talk page sub-section to have that discussion, I opted to be bold and code the split section. If anyone has objections to the new format, please speak up here, but let's try to keep any back-and-forth that might emerge on this page and not make contradictory edits on the article. So... thoughts? Songsteel (talk) 19:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC) Songsteel (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Singles tally

There was too many genre-specific Billboard charts for each single. The tally was a total mess. For better viewing, I kept only the most significant country chart for country artists, the Country Airplay - as country artists and their labels focus totally on radio, the Hot 100 obviously and christian chart - as Underwood has released many singles to that format. Additionally, removed single sales figures - as most other artists' discography pages display only certifications (sales threshold). If one desires to see each single's chart performance and precise sales, they go to that single's page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHipHopRapping (talk • contribs) 03:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I wish you had come to a consensus on this rather than doing it anyway as is the norm for most big changes on Wikipedia pages. This aside, someone needs to go back and add the "US Country" chart. This is still VERY important today- used for every single other country artists. It is the sales chart & there's no good argument for removing it. --Jonathan Joseph (talk) 22:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree about keeping the US Country" chart, but not all the other sub-genre charts and the sales tally, which makes the overall Singles tally a mess...

ChrisBS (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 15:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)