Talk:Bastille/Archive 1

Archive 1

Accuracy dispute

The factual accuracy of the Bastille article is disputed. As you can see from the edit history, I recently corrected several minor errors that were clearly errors; there is another issue about which I'm not as certain, but where I have very strong doubts about the statements in this article: I seriously doubt that the Marquis de Sade was imprisoned in the Bastille at the time it was stormed, let alone the more elaborate anecdote given here. It is unsourced. A different variant of it (which I also doubt) is in the article Marquis de Sade. I strongly believe he had been transferred to Charenton well before the storming of the Bastille, but I don't have a source to quote, just a reasonable knowledge of his life. It would be good if someone would sort this out. -- Jmabel 20:35, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

This has now been sorted out. -- Jmabel 01:03, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Source of recent additions?

This Jun 15, 2004 edit by User:62.252.64.13 is generally very strong (although a bit against our usual style standards). I have to wonder, though: is this cribbed from somewhere? I can't find it in a web search, although it could be a copyvio from a book. It's so detailed -- down to times of day -- that it seems a bit remarkable not to give any source(s). If the source or sources are public domain, then I'm all for keeping this additional content. Does anyone know? I'd like to get some answers before I start editing for style standards, making links, etc. -- Jmabel 21:05, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

Much of this was eventually removed as redundant to Storming of the Bastille. Recently, a bunch of this resurfaced, again anonymously added. I'm still inclined to get rid of it. If anyone disagrees, please speak up in the next few days. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Detainees

The newly added "detainees" section is "not quite in English". I'm hesitant to edit it into good English, since I'm not sure that what it says is even accurate. Could someone who knows this material better than me take a shot at it, preferably with cited references? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:49, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Date of conversion to a prison...

... was recently anonymously changed from 17th century to 15th century, anonymously and without citation. Does anyone have a citation on either date? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:29, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

... If the date of conversion to a prison was the 17th century it was not certainly done so on the reign of Charles VII (which reigned on the 14th and 15th centuries), so at least part of the information is wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.22.16.47 (talk • contribs) 14 July 2006.

Demolition

The demolition section lacks proper dates on when those activities took place. Specially the actual year of demolition is missing. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I went to see the "remains" of Bastille on Bd. Henri IV. The ruins are located several hundred meters from the actual site, and from my knowledge would fit the location of the foundations of Pont de Granmont, that spanned the Seine from the north bank to Isle Louvier. Isle Louvier is these days part of the north bank. (See Plan de Paris 1787 by Brion de la Tour) --Jon.Kolbeinsen 11:22, 2 August 2011 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.105.132.65 (talk)

Prisoners

I've removed a few obvious false inclusions (e.g. John Donne). Besides those:

• Giuseppe Marco Fieschi, the would-be assassin of Louis-Philippe, lived long after the Bastille was razed.

- Jmabel | Talk 16:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The article claims that Marie Antoinette was a prisoner in the Bastille. I don't see how this is possible (since the revolution started with the storming of the Bastille and she was never a prisoner of anyplace until much later), but I have no proof. Could someone who knows more about the subject please fix it?PatrickWB (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo?

The first paragraph mentions that when referred to in the single "La Bastide" it refers to the Bastille. Shouldn't that be "La Bastille"?Tenorcnj 20:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixed (and a bit reworded, it was rather confusing). -

a supposed mistake

According to the article Bastille was converted into a prison in the 17th century by Charles VI. There must be a mistake. Charles VI lived in the 14-15 century. (Charles VI of France (1380 – 1422))--Wisamzaqoot 16:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Jmabel | Talk 22:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Date of the publication of the Révolutions de Paris with a (false) version of events during the storming of Bastille

The article says (in the Historical assessment section): "... telling this false version of the events [in the Storming of the Bastille] began on July 17, 1788 with the publication of the Révolutions de Paris". As the date is a year before the Storming, I suppose there is a mistake. Could someone provide the correct date (was it July 17, 1789?), and preferably a reference? Thanks, LBehounek 01:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The publication date was corrected to July 17, 1789 (revision as of 16:05, 11 July 2007 by 24.127.1.145) and later the paragraph was removed (revision as of 03:19, 28 July 2007 by CJ DUB), so it is no longer an issue. LBehounek 21:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Crappy article

• There is nothing about the Bastille, when it was built, WHY it was built; not anything like that. Some of this stuff needs to be only in the Storming of the Bastille article. CJ DUB 01:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• I'm gonna fix this right NOW 01:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Prisons

If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

In fiction

In the fiction section it only mentions the name of the book/movie/etc. and its author. It tells nothing about how it was actually mentioned.

Convulsionists

This is not an English word. Although a Google search brings up 1000 hits, compare the 20,000 times as many Google hits for "Protestant" and the 1,500 times as many Google hits for "Calvinist". Leaving in a word for something as obscure as Convulsionists merely makes the readers of this article think that there is a typo. Nick Beeson (talk) 13:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Diary of Louis XVI

On that day, he wrote "Rien!" meaning Nothing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.186.207.28 (talk) 04:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

time durring

French revoloution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.186.242 (talk) 19:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Bastille - used in 1807?

This article says that the Bastille was destroyed in 1789. The article on François Mingaud says that he was released from the Bastille in 1807, and that his room/cell/area was big and comfortable enough to house a billiards table.

• Did parts of the Bastille remain servicable?
• or have some modern sources conflated Paris and prison to arrive at Bastille? Regards. Chienlit (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Expansion...

I've gone through and given the article a bit of a scrub and general expansion. I think the referencing is now looking in good shape, although I suspect the text will need a decent eyes-over by someone for copy-editing and simple mistakes. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)