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Pinging
editI have started a new article on this important historical site. I used the Arabic article as a base - there is a lot of work still to do.
@Zero0000 and Poliocretes: You may remember the discussion about this at User talk:Onceinawhile/Archive 5#Gate identified. It was destroyed by Israeli bombing about six months after our discussion. Strangely the Western media's reaction has been almost silent, particularly when compared to other such intentional destructions like the Buddhas of Bamiyan or Nimrud.
@Huldra: given your expertise in buildings of this period, any support would be appreciated.
@Richard Nevell: thanks again for your work at Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip. Since I see from your user page that you specialise in castle studies and the archaeology of destruction
, I thought you might be particularly interested in and expert in this topic. I believe it is technically a caravanserai not a castle, so I am not yet sure why it has this name.
Onceinawhile (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC) Coordinates: 31°30′58″N 35°09′51″E
User:Onceinawhile thanks a lot for starting this article! A couple of comments:
- The Sharon reference vol 2,(B-C) only writes about Barquq on p. 17, and that is about about an inscription in Bani Na'im. (But mention Yunus an-Nuruzi on p. 228: already in the article)
- The Sharon vol 4, (G(aza)) doesn't have anything about Barquq; this place is probably dealt with in the "K"-book, which hasn't been published yet.
- Searching for "Dawadar" (or Dawatdar) isn't very helpful, as that was a title ("head of chancery"), so there are several different "Dawadars"
I'll keep looking for sources, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm certainly interested in the topic. As it's not a castle as such, the usual sources I use may not cover it, but I'll keep looking. (In any case it's unlikely I'll be much help over the coming week or so.) Richard Nevell (talk) 00:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
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- ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?
- Source: Abu Khalaf 1983, p. 182: "Nowadays the Khan is almost demolished, but the front part, which consists of the fac;ade including the gateway and the Mosque with its minaret still stands."
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Please note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ must be provided at the time of the nomination or at most immediately after. The nomination may be failed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Videos
edit@Amigao: I see you removed the videos in this edit. Seems a loss for our readers, as those two videos add real clarity to the current situation, in a way that written sources cannot. If the format not consistent with WP:EL, how would you recommend we best link readers to these videos? Onceinawhile (talk) 11:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Template:External media might be the optimal way to go here. However, I would suggest avoiding deprecated sources such as WP:ALMAYADEEN. See WP:RSPSOURCES for further guidance. - Amigao (talk) 17:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
| External videos | |
|---|---|
 Video showing some of the damage to Barquq Castle in 2024 | |
 "Palestinian mourns history as Israel destroys archaeological sites in Gaza" |
- @Amigao: How about the template on the right? The video linked to is published by Xinhua, which is listed amongst the perennial sources with the description "There is consensus that Xinhua is generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda or disinformation". Misinformation in the Israel–Hamas war doesn't indicate China's involvement in mis- or disinformation. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just realised that it was the second video initially included in the external links section. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looks fine, though I would also recommend adding the name of the source (Xinhua) as part of the video description for full transparency. - Amigao (talk) 22:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Destruction
editArticle says castle was destroyed by the Israeli Air Force (no ref) and the "These were mostly destroyed by Israeli bombing in 2024" (irrelevant ref, from 2016). But even prior to the war, the castle only consisted of the facade, gate, mosque dome shell and minaret. Yet both videos and the relevant ref on Arab wiki page all show both the gate and the facade practically undamaged, the inscriptions are still there, plus the video shows the dome behind the speaker's shoulder. The minaret is gone, but that's about it. So at the same time as lamenting the destruction of the castle, the videos are showing the near exact opposite. Furthermore, lots of dramatic rubble shots, but that's in front of the facade, and somehow piled up right up to and under the still extant gate, so clearly not of the gate.
Also, the chances of aerial bombing taking out the minaret, throwing up lots of rubble, and leaving the gate, facade and mosque intact (plus no bomb crater) are practically nil. This is ground fighting, which Khan Younis most certainly was a major site of. In short, the refs are insufficient for the claims made. Poliocretes (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a translation from the Arabic article, which needs to be improved to describe the extent of destruction more precisely. There are many mediocre sources which state what happened; I am still looking to confirm the best sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)