Talk:B (New York City Subway service)

Two Stations with Same Name

It says in the article that the B has two stations with the same name, Seventh Avenue. I think that's wrong, but I'm not sure. Doesn't the Seventh Avenue in Brooklyn have service by the F? I know that the Seventh avenue station in Manhattan is correct, however. Maybe it used to be like that, perhaps a change in routing is to blame, but if you know the answer, please correct the article.

There is a 7th Avenue for the F, but it's not the same as the one on the B and Q. In other words, there are two "7th Avenue" stations in Brooklyn. 165.155.128.133 15:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Whoever is making any stupid Sept. 9, 2006 subway changes to these articles should stop! It is getting annoying, and is unverified. If the MTA doesn't say this, IT SHOULDN'T BE ADDED!!! --imdanumber1 22:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Duplicate Photos

Why is this duplicate photo continually added?

Bronx-bound B train of R68s at Kings Highway

Bronx-bound B train of R68As at Kings Highway

The R68A photo is very poor quality, overexposed with a strange sun streaks AND the exact same angle as the R68 photo. Can someone please take a better photo of an R68A serving the B to replace this one? Acps110 (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Dude, if you look carefully, they are not the same. Besides, one is an R68, while the other is an R68A.--Davidng913 (talk) 13:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

57th Street Terminal

The history section of the article seems to be missing the period (I believe beginning in 1968 and going at least through the 1970s, maybe 1980s) when the B terminated at 57th Street during non-rush hours and was extended to 168th Street only during rush hours. I believe during that period that at night it just ran as a shuttle in Brooklyn, but I am not certain. Rlendog (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Adding Line Reconstruction to History Section

Now that the reconstruction project is almost over, it should be added to the history section. When did the express service suspension begin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Level Crossing (talk • contribs) 02:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

We will just edit it in when it is actually over. No point of editing it early since it would probably be reverted by other editors as Wikipedia is about the current and not the predicted future.--iGeMiNix 02:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

"Sixth Avenue Express"?

Technically the B train is the "Central Park West Local/Sixth Avenue Express". Everytime I put the correct information in, someone takes it out. If you don't believe me, look at the MTA official B line page: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/bline.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keither754 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Central Park West is not a trunk line. Please stop inserting it. Only the trunk line is the name of a service. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Please feel free to look at the MTA official B line web page:

http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/bline.htm

What the heck is a "trunk line"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keither754 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

A "trunk line" is the line that determines the color of the route bullet. For example, the B, D, F, M are colored orange because they run on the IND Sixth Avenue Line, the A, C, E are colored blue because they run on the IND Eighth Avenue Line, the 1, 2, 3 are colored red because they run on the IRT Broadway - Seventh Avenue Line, and so forth. The Central Park West Line is part of the IND Eighth Avenue Line and therefore, cannot be considered a trunk line (otherwise, the B and D logos would be half orange, half blue). Also, other official MTA subway line pages show different designations than the service guide (which is what we go by for designation services), including the F train timetable, M train, R train and 6 express, so what makes the B different? Why do you keep editing this page, but not the others? The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:B (New York City Subway service)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Truflip99 (talk · contribs) 23:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: Thank you for this. I appreciate it. AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

From my first quick read-through, too many sentences start with "On <date>..." Let's switch it up a bit/give it more flow. --Truflip99 (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• 2¶, clarify: "The B operates weekdays only except late nights..." (not sure if that's saying it runs late nights on all days of the week)
• 2¶: "During rush hours, service extends beyond..." (for continuity)

History

• 1¶: "The designation B was originally intended for express trains originating from the Washington Heights..."

Chrsytie Street

• 1¶: "This service was initially to have been signed BT but was simply signed B instead." - Any particular reason for this? With source.

I could not find any source or information regarding this statement. I have removed it. AmericanAir88^(talk) 02:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• 1¶: "...during late night hours and Sundays B service did not operate, and TT shuttles..." - omit comma
• 1¶: "Starting on July 1, 1968, the B was rerouted..."
• 1¶: The West End Line shuttles were also made part of the B route.
• 2¶: "B service began running between 57th Street and Coney Island during all times on August 30, 1976, while alternate B trains commenced operating between 168th Street and Coney Island during rush hours."

Manhattan Bridge reconstruction

• 1¶, move this sentence up to 4th in order: The closure of the Bridge's north side tracks essentially caused the return of pre-November 1967 service patterns, before the opening of the Chrystie Street Connection: The orange B more-or-less replicated the former BB service, and the yellow B imitated the old T service.
• 1¶: The reconstruction of the Manhattan Bridge between 1986 and 2004 affected B service as the bridge's (unless locals keep this capitalized) north side tracks, which led to the Sixth Avenue Line, were closed multiple times.
• 1¶: These closures severed the connection between the northern and southern portions of the route, and as a result, the B was split into two different services on April 13, 1986.
• 1¶: The northern B service ran via Sixth Avenue, using an orange bullet, between 34th Street-Herald Square and 168th Street during rush hours only, replicating the service pattern used by the line prior to the opening of the Chrystie Street Connection.
• 1¶: Beginning on May 24, 1987, evening and weekend Broadway Line B service was cut back from Queensboro Plaza to 57th Street–Seventh Avenue.
• 2¶: B service operated to 57th Street during weekends and N service was increased to replace B service to Ditmars Boulevard.
• 3¶: Beginning September 30, 1990, evening...
• 4¶: The north side of the Manhattan Bridge closed on middays and weekends from April 30, 1995 until the following November, during which B trains...
• 6¶: The B was subsequently routed onto the...
• 7¶: "It now ran along Central Park West to 145th Street (Bedford Park Boulevard during rush hours) at all times except late nights." - Consider re-writing this. The statement in parenthesis is a little vague, as it doesn't say where Bedford Park is in the sequence.
• 8¶: However, This time, the southern half of the route, which runs on the Broadway Line, was named the W.

Refs @SounderBruce: Hey man, I need a second opinion regarding the use of Flickr files as refs. Could you please advise? --Truflip99 (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: While these signs could be considered decent sources, they are formatted wrong (along with the SubwayNut references). Flickr should be listed under |via= or omitted entirely. Looking at the other sources, I also see a few unreliable fanwebsites, like EricTB.info and JoeKorner. Those absolutely need to be replaced. The book and newspaper sources also need page numbers. SounderBruce 23:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I working on the refs per your request. What seems to be the problem with Joe Korner? His refs are on plenty of GA's such as 63rd Street Lines. Ref 8 also is an image Joe Korner uploaded via the NYTA. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: Joe Korner does not seem to meet the criteria at WP:SPS, as his name does not garner any hits from a reliable and reputable secondary source. If his name is so far spread around the existing GAs, I think it might be time to reassess those reviews, as that is an alarming oversight. SounderBruce 02:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I agree. It seems that after my research, he could not be found on a broad scale. Thank you for this. I have fixed your other citation issues as well. ~~�~~

@AmericanAir88: are you still addressing the refs? --Truflip99 (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: 90% done. I am trying to find a replacement for the Joe Corner refs. Unless you are ready to move on. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99 and AmericanAir88: What is the issue with the Flickr files? These are official NYCTA documents that indicate changes in service. The formatting has been changed. Why would these need to be replaced?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, I think the issue is that it is supposed to say "via Flickr" in the citation, so like |via=Flickr. The images themselves are fine. Same with Joe Korman, it should be "via JoeKorNer.com" |via=JoeKorNer.com. As for the other articles being discussed which use Korman's webpages, they are simply scans of official documents for the most part, so should be fine. epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Section break

• With the "Via" added and the cites fixed up. It is safe to say that the citation issue is  Fixed AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @AmericanAir88: please be sure to address those missing parameters. I will proceed with final touches. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
    • @Truflip99: Parameters have been fixed or replaced. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Passed. After making my own ce edits, I will pass this now, but please add a ref for the station list. --Truflip99 (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Just because something is not online does not make it unreliable

@AmericanAir88: You reverted some of my additions to the article saying "useless and broken citation" and "trivial information with no reliable source." These are from service change fliers in my collection of transit memorabilia. These are as official as the documents uploaded to Joe Korman's site. Just because something s not online does not make it unreliable. Thank you for understanding. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: The citations I removed had no original url and could not be traced to a certain source. They had parameter issues. I apologize if I removed anything you intended to keep. Feel free to re-add citations you feel were necessary. I kept the Joe Korman cites, but removed the cites with a missing "url=" Thank you AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: My point still stands. There are so many great resources in libraries and archives that have not been digitized and are not online. Would you just remove these citations? Also, if I add something to an article, I intend it to be there. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: I agree with your point. My mistake. Feel free to revert and add what you think is necessary. No arguments. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 02:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

In popular culture section

An "in popular section" was added in this edit yesterday. I reverted hat addition because it not only lacked reliable sources but also was trivia. It was re-added today with sources, but I do not think it satisfies MOS:POPCULT:

In season 3, episode 4 of Futurama—The Luck of the Fryish—Bender imitates a Brooklyn-bound B train while visiting "Old New York".

References

MOS:POPCULT says: Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. Rather, all such references should be discussed in at least one reliable secondary or tertiary source which specifically links the cultural item to the subject of the article. This source should cover the subject of the article in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item.. My objection to this addition is twofold. First, at least one of the cited sources (a wiki) is not reliable, while the other source is a transcript and so is not a secondary or tertiary source. Second, I have watched this particular episode of Futurama before, and the episode literally "merely mentions the subject's appearance" (Bender pretended to be a B train stopping wherever he felt like). It is for these reasons that I've removed this section again. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2022 (UTC)