Talk:B'Day

Notability of "Exclusive Walmart edition"

@Theknine2, Donthangup, and LilianaUwU: There has been some back and forth (see [1], [2], [3] and [4]) about whether to include the tracklisting of the "exlusive Walmart edition" of B'Day. Before this degrades into an edit war, let's discuss the matter. Personally, I feel that any edition of a notable album merits at least a tracklist section, if there are special bonus tracks on that edition. And, in this case, the exlusive edition was covered at the MTV source. However, clearly some users disagree. So, please discuss. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I completely agree that it is important to mention the different versions from different retailers etc. when they contain an exclusive bonus track. I understand that it clutters the track list section a bit, but I believe it is important for it to be complete. Personally, I find this very useful, as a fan and as a collector. Donthangup (talk) 21:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I was contemplating adding a note at the bottom of the section listing some of the bonus tracks, which is at least less cluttered than having separate Track listing templates. Since there is an apparent discussion about it, I will add it in. Do comment or make changes where you deem necessary. Theknine2 (talk) 08:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I think that is a nice alternative. Donthangup (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Theknine2, Donthangup, and WikiDan61: I have added the bonus tracks notes section, should be sufficient for Wikipedia. More detailed commentary can potentially be added in prose, or handled elsewhere such as in Beyonce's Fandom Wiki. Theknine2 (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Theknine2: That's not how consensus works. If there is a content dispute, we continue to discuss the dispute without moving forward with the disputed content change. Until this discussion is complete, please leave the track listings as they are. That said, it is not clear why some retailer-specific track lists are OK (the versions at the iTunes store vs Amazon Music, for example) but others are not. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Right now it's confusing what the criteria are for being included. The more obscure bonus tracks should either all be separate or just the way it was. I think. Donthangup (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Well then I’m personally not too keen on listing specific versions of the album in many different templates. I think that can be left to other sites for the bonus tracks of “non-notable” versions. See: An old revision of the Fearless article vs. the article now. Theknine2 (talk) 06:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

The fearless bonus tracks were available elsewhere so I understand your reasoning more there, but since the b'day bonus tracks are only available on those "non-notable" editions I think they should be mentioned. They're also on the [List of songs recorded by Beyoncé] page. To me it seems weird that they would not be included on the page of the album they belong to. Donthangup (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I personally just don't understand the reasoning why you wouldn't want it to be complete. Yes you could go to a bunch of different sites to figure it out, but isn't the point of Wikipedia to simplify that. That's just my understanding/opinion. Donthangup (talk) 08:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I say whatever, honestly. I would say that there is a good reason not to include (possibly too crufty), though. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 01:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

September 1??

Could someone explain. Kamo0606 (talk) 18:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)