Talk:Arunachal Pradesh/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merger issue

I am removing the tag "merge with South Tibet, as this is an integral part of India, recognized as per de facto principles of International law. How many persons felt that the article People's Republic of China was fit to be merged with Taiwan in Encyclopedia Britannica, as for decades the USA had not recognized Mao's China as a sovereign state? --Bhadani 12:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[No Title]

Please stop trying to cover up facts, I have been to Arunachal Pradesh myself and talked to the people there. The Baptist Church has been funding several terrorist groups, the biggest of which is the NSCN. They themselves have admitted to forceful conversions and violence.

I am concerned about this cover up and also about the fact that so many people support this violence .It seems that these tribals in Arunachal Pradesh are emphatically labelled as non Hindu, except when there is violence, when they become Hindu fanatics.

All I'm asking you to do is cite your sources. Where's your proof? Just saying something isn't good enough without anything to back it up with. --Khoikhoi 08:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

It's better to be Christian in my land then be a dirty hindu. Hindus are our oppressors. They call us tribals and treat us like untouchables. It may be acceptable behavior in India, but in my home, please keep your dirty hindu ideas to yourself.

changes

"Arunachal Pradesh is divided into fifteen districts, each administered by a district collector, who see to the needs of the local people. Especially along the Tibetan border, the Indian army has considerable control over the territory due to the continuing concern about Chinese intentions. In the Northern areas and areas near the Indo-Burmese border and Nagaland, where Naga-Christian militant groups have been alleged of harassing the local people, special permits are needed to enter the area."

What do we mean by Indian Army has considerable control. I propose to change it "Control" to "presence". Also, a permit issued by the Secretary (political) called the Inner Line Permit(ILP) is mandatory to enter any district of the state, and not only the 'Naga-christian' dominated areas. Am changing this too. Prashanthns 16:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

my edits, pre-independence maps

examples here:1908 1923 1933 1933 1935 1942 --210.0.204.29 01:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

christian is dying

The xtians in america and europe are only nominal. They don't really practice true xtianity. Yes, there is some growth with evangelicals. But they mostly send there funds to convert in Asia and africa. The pope himself self even stated that soulds in asia need to harvested. In doing so, they start more wars and exploit more poor people. NicolasP is a product of such work done.--D-Boy 23:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To Dangerous-Boy:

• Look at Korea. Christians and Buddhists are torn between half-half, and torn by identity! To me, I do not hate christianity, but I believe that the evangelicals have some very wicked and bad intentions among the spiritually weak Asians. Yes, they can preach and convert, but I think that that should only be done in small numbers. I also believed that they should educate the people about the differences between Christian and indigenious religions seperately, not just merely scaring people to convert and hypnotise them to convert by saying that oh, we know that we are sinners, and so on. In Singapore, many of these people has done such stupid things.

To Nichalp:

• Ok, let's work and talk less. Nichalp, can you provide more information on Arunachal, whatever you know, please display it up there. Also, please help me to work out, using your efforts just as you have did on Sikkim, another favourite place of mine. There seems to be little work and progress from both of you.

Mr Tan 12:12, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Mr Tan, I'm afraid I cannot commit 100% of my effort on Arunachal Pradesh at this moment. I'm still going through the extremely stressful after effects of taking care of the Sikkim page when it was an FAC. I really need a wikibreak. I have cleaned up the info table if you've noticed. Please go ahead with your work on this page. I will add what I know on AP soon. Meanwhile what is really needed are pictures and references on the state. Once you fill in some more info I can start to work because as of now I am pretty busy. Nichalp 20:38, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

• • Go ahead then. I will improvise and clean up the article. However, after your wikibreak, can you please notify me that you have returned? By that time, I will tell you what and where I need your help. I will also add some pictures in it.

Good Luck.

Mr Tan 00:01, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

regarding the dispute issue

Just mentioning that the area is disputed is enough for the lead-in paras. Information regarding the history of the dispute belongs to the History section. Thank you. --72.12.197.242 19:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Please amend defects

• Article says it was incorporated into Ahom, but not when - is it 13th century?
• This article says it was annexed by the British in 1858, presumably referring to when the British governement took over the domains of the East India Company, but the Ahom article says 1826. Which is it, or is it both, that is the Company took it over in 1826 and the government abolished the company 32 years later. Peterkingiron 20:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Question

hi when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arunachal_Pradesh , put it into edit mode to see there is reference to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Arunachal_Pradesh_locator_map.svg/235px-Arunachal_Pradesh_locator_map.svg.png the only reference I have found out is in the infobox saying something like |inset_map_marker = yes but nothing more, can somebody tell how it works? [[User:Shirishag75|Shirishag75]] 16:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

lingo

What is the official language and/or lingua franca of Arunachal Pradesh? I can't believe it's Hindi, people in the N.E. have a particular dislike towards Hindi (personally, so do I, but that's beside the point)

Just an eg, Nagaland is a state where different districts speak different dialects. But Nagamese is the lingua franca. Similarly, Bengali works for Tripura, Assamese in Assam etc. In Meghalaya, Garo is predominant and most Khasi people are bilingual. So how does it work for AP? 220.227.156.156 13:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Why South Tibet: Since 1914, the south tibet has been part of India, no doubt that it was signed between tibetan and british representatives at simla, although china also participated but not signed. by 1938, the british government had ratified the agreement and made it into a bilateral accord and was implemented. if chinese think that the agreement was not valid then, the chinese have to claim not only south tibet as arunachal but all the sister himalayan regions as their part where, the regions had been ceded to british india by tibetan or chinese (without the knowledge of tibetan). now, this south tibet or arunachal pradesh is inseperable part of india and even the local natives itself are very much satisfied with the Government of India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.153.241 (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

the British did a lot bad things to China since 19 century and till 20 century, the same to India, robbed and killed local people, the worst thing was making conflict and divide, claimed Chinese Territory is Indian's, made war.

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RELIGION

the demographics article says that 40% of the inhabitants are practicing Buddists. It is adjacent to the tag under the photo which says that 13% are practicing Buddists. So..?209.114.253.114 (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Miri Tribe Link

The link for the Miri tribe, links to the page on a city Miri in Indonesia. You need to link it to an article on the tribe itself, which currently doesn't exist. Then you should link it to the "Miri" dissambiguation page.--AaronCarson (talk) 07:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Indigenous tribal

I am not sure why the tag tribal is used as an ethnic identity. Tribal refers to a level of social organization. That is the meaning as can be found in say Cambridge English dictionary. As you might be aware, most Europeans lived in tribes in the past, and were tribal. Now, they have developed a more complex social structure and are not called tribal.

Just because the Indian govt assigns a ST label on some ethnic groups for govt benefit, cannot be used to change the meaning of the English word "tribe". As far as I am aware, the native ethnic groups in Arunachal are Tibeto-Brumese, and some Tai. Some of these groups are classified as ST, SC or OBC by the Indian govt for providing govt benefit.

When you write "indeginous tribe" what does it mean? Are there tribes that are not Tibeto-Burmese or Tai? Name one.

Attaching tribal tag to ethnicity doesn't make sense as there are Tibeto-Burmese groups that are tribal and then there are those that are not. Same with Tai groups. Ask yourself, does the highest traditional structure in an ethnic group is the village chief or the highest structure is a king.

As the European example shows, tribal identity can be changed which is different from ethnic identity which cannot be changed (except for inter marriage, etc., which is not what we are discussing here).Cosmicstring (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The word 'indigenous' might be a bit pov, but the term 'tribal' is fairly uncontroversial in India, it is understood as ST. The best way is if the word in the intro is linked as tribal. --Soman (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

First, wikipedia is for everyone not just India. So, can't redefine the English word tribe. Second, not clear what you mean by a "tribe" in India is uncontroversial. Why should it be controversial? However, by "indigenous tribe" or "tribe" can you tell me what ethnicity am I to assign to it. Would a "tribe" in Iran, one in India and one in Palestine be of the same ethnic group? Are all the tribe in India of the same ethnic group? Cosmicstring (talk) 00:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The major ethnic groups would be Tai, Tani, & Mishmi. --KRajaratnam1 (talk) (Not logged in)

NPOV dispute[history]

Discussion of a Hindu religious text and the state of Arunachal does not belong in History. Similar claim is being made regarding the history of Manipur and Nagaland, and Mahabharata. This seems the worst. Is this historical "Malinithan a small town has strong historical links with Lord Krishna"? Do we need to get into proving if God exists now? Can the historical accuracy of any of the characters in Mahabharata be proven? Rukmini, is she from Upper Assam as claimed? What ethnicity do Mahabharata ascribe to her, and does this ethnic group reside or resided in Arunachal to associate Rukmini with Arunachal? I think it is best to stay away from religious beliefs, Hindu or otherwise, when talking about the history of Arunachal. As a matter of fact, are there any ethnic group in Arunachal that are historically Hindu or have been Hindu in the distant past? Cosmicstring (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Spinach Monster shouldn't unilaterally remove the NPOV tag. The ones claiming Arunachal Pradesh is mentioned in hindu mythology need to substantiate their claim. Otherwise, reference to hindu mythology should be removed. Cosmicstring (talk) 23:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone help me? :)

The area of Arunachal Pradesh is 83,743 sq km. I know that China accuses India of possessing some 90,000 sq km of Chinese territory, mostly in Arunachal Pradesh. 90,000 - 83,743 = 6,257 sq km... Maybe somebody knows all the states of India which are involved in dispute? Is Assam involved in it?

90,000 sq km is almost certainly a gross overestimate. The actual area in dispute doesn't include all of AP and is probably 60,000 to 70,000 sq km. -- ran (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: I have read N. Maxwell's book about the war between India and China. Quotation: "Chou En-lai replied to Nehru's letter on September 8, 1959, and reaffirmed the basic point that the Sino-Indian boundary had never been delimited, further arguing that the 56,000 square miles between the McMahon Line and the foothils had been Chinese". 1 mile = 1.6 kilometre. 56,000*1.6=89,600 sq km (~90,000 sq km). Articles about the Simla Convention mentions 90,000 sq km too. So, it cannot be a gross overestimate...

... but it has to be a gross estimate. After all, we can't fit 90,000 km² into 83,743 km², it just doesn't make sense to have the disputed area *larger* than Arunachal Pradesh when it's *inside* Arunachal Pradesh. -- ran (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

1 mile=1.6 km, but 1 sq mile =2.56 sq km, by this if Lai said 56000 square miles of Chinese region, he meant more than 1,40,000 square kilometres of land. He perheps included Aksai Chin also.Samitus mallicus 13:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samitus mallicus (talk • contribs)

Why revert?

See User talk:Alokprasad#Why revert Arunachal Pradesh?--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Northern boundary

Since much of the area of this state is claimed by the PRC, it would be useful to know how the northern boundary of the state as depicted on the map relates to the various demarcation lines described in the article -- the McMahon Line, the Line of Actual Control, etc. Also, which of these lines are used as reference for the area and population stats in the infobox? --Jfruh 19:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

the demographic said all. i suggest south Tibet remains as an independent item, to avoid controversy.

OM MANI PADME HUM

To maintain neutral point of view, the introductory paragraph of the article should be changed to ....Tibet (currently occupied by China).... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.51.185.47 (talk) 16:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Local opinions regarding the dispute

What do the residents think of this? Would they prefer staying in India, or being annexed by China? Brutannica 03:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent question... we need to add that part in the article... I'll (try to) do it!

Amartya ray2001 (talk) 19:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Volcano phenomenon and related forest fires

There has been an apparent volcanic event in the predash, on Dehu Mountain, which is causing large scale forest fires. Could someone with knowledge of the area and its terrain add this to the article. I believe a volcanic eruption is very relevant. Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Volcano-like-eruptions-in-Arunachal-/articleshow/5518991.cms Michaelh2001 (talk) 06:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out... I'll look into it... Michael

Amartya ray2001 (talk) 20:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I found...

I found this article to be VERY neutrally written, indeed... Congratulations, all :)

Amartya ray2001 (talk) 22:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed State name in Hindi

Removed State name in Hindi, As official Language of the State is English. --Bhvintri (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Map in China's passport

The map in China's passport was changed to include Arunachal Pradesh, as explained in news articles

• "China passports claim ownership of South China Sea and Taiwan," The Guardian (UK). 23 November 2012; excerpt, "China's official maps ... on passports could be seen as a provocation since it requires other countries to tacitly endorse the claims by affixing their official seals to the documents"
• Larano, Chris. "China Seeks to Calm Anger Over Passports," Wall Street Journal (US). November 28, 2012; Godfrey, Hannah. "India claims disputed borderlands with China in row over passports," The Guardian (UK). 24 November 2012; retrieved 2012-11-30 -- see image of passport page showing map of China
• Kaiman, Jonathan. "Chinese passport map causes diplomatic dispute," The Guardian (UK). 27 November 2012; excerpt, "... the map also encompasses the Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin regions on the border with India (the source of 15 failed negotiations between the two countries)"

Is it reasonable to add a sentence about this?

A wider context is suggested in many other news articles, including the Los Angeles Times which explains, "The maritime disputes between the Chinese government and its neighbors have a decades-long history, but have greatly increased in visibility over the past year as Chinese media have cycled the public’s attention from confrontations with one neighbor to another." --Ansei (talk) 19:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

No politics section

I was looking for some information on assembly elections in Arunachal Pradesh. Surprised to see that the article has no section on Politics.--GDibyendu (talk) 20:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Protest these page protections

Don't let them protect this page! Protecting these pages, like Darkness Shines wants to do, is a tactic that is being used widely over many of the Bangladeshi-Pakistani-Indian pages so that the editors who do this can game the content for their own POV biases. What they do is to semi-protect a page, finding whatever excuse they can dig up. Then they go after editors who do not agree with them. It's much easier for them to game the system once they've protected a page. Sanction lists have been abused -- that's an established fact! Other are being accused of being sock puppets in order to get their accounts blocked so that minor content disputes from those editors will disappear. Editors are being ganged up and then goaded into making more than 1 revert so that they will be blocked, especially inexperienced editors. BLP is being abused to no end in order to game content. This has got to stop! We need to protest this tactic. Wikipedia policy is being abused in order for some editors to turn pages into their POV fiefdoms. Crtew (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

See the current discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.Crtew (talk) 00:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Tibet?

This is a state of India, per the references I added. Please explain why it is being changed to Tibet. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I would assume it's South Tibet controversy-related trolling.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Summary of territory dispute in lead

To User:Rao Ravindra who has repeatedly removed the summary of the territorial dispute from the lead, please read WP:Lead, which says the lead section should "summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies". The dispute has always been mentioned in the lead since the article passed the stub stage years ago. Please provide a justification for removing it. An edit summary such as "Zanhe may better direct his efforts on saving his ROC from PRC" is not a valid justification. -Zanhe (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Are Buddhist a majority?

See Religion in India#Buddhist majorities - dubious. Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

South Tibet

I am sure that South Tibet is part of Tibet Culture Area for longtime.And should not be named by others.You can go to Tibet to see it clearly. What is "Tibet Culture" Area? If you are implying an area with similar culture should be associated with another area because of those cultural similarities, then to follow your logic, an area with dissimilar culture should be disassociated with such an area. That is to say, if Arunachal Pradesh should be part of Tibet because it shares some similar cultural traits with Tibet, then an Area like Xinjiang or Tibet, that has dissimilar cultural traits to China, should not be part of China. This part of the world has seen its borders change thousands of times over the last few thousand years, and thus one can not use culture or history to try and determine the status of a political entity or country in today's world.

Ksyrie 02:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

See my reply on Talk:South Tibet. As for the map, you'll notice that Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet is in light blue, which equals "Claimed by PRC as part of TAR" It's not in red, orange, or yellow, which signifies that it's part of Historic Tibet (as claimed by Tibetan exile groups.)

Tsangyang Gyatso, 6th Dalai Lama was born in Tawang,South Tibet Ksyrie 03:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

When did the Tibetans call it South Tibet? --Khoikhoi 05:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

When did the Indians call it Arunachal Pradesh? After 1972? Before 1972 it was called as North East Frontier Agency (NEFA),right? Ksyrie 11:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

LOOOOOOOOOOONG before you and your chinkeymonkeys*hit-originated chinkeymonkeys*hitfaced ancestors and race and country had evolved from the monkeys that you still looks like. Sure Tibet will be independent by 2020 and then Tibet and India will talk about what to do with Arunachal. Taiwan is already independent. ALL the islands in East and South chinkeymonkey Sea belong to Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Phillipines/Cambodia/Thailand and other countries there. You chinkeys will be wiped out SOON. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.248.234 (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but that's not the point. The Tibetan's didn't call it South Tibet. --Khoikhoi 01:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Tibetan exile groups are living in India, so they're probably not going to repay India's hospitality by making claims on what India considers to be its own territory. But this wasn't the case before the move to Dharamsala:

In 1938, the Survey of India published a map of Tibet, which showed the Tawang tract as part of that country. Even the first edition of Jawaharlal Nehru's Discovery Of India showed the Indo-Tibetan boundary as running at the foot of the hills. [my bold - this is in agreement with the Chinese claim line today!] The Tibetans did not accept this 'annexation' of the Tawang tract and challenged the British attempts to expand their government into this area. But they tacitly accepted the rest of the McMahon demarcation. ...

The Indian government did move into the Tawang tract in force in 1951, overriding Chinese/Tibetan protests. ... [1]

Tawang, at least, was ethnically Tibetan, and regarded as a part of Tibet by Tibetans. But obviously these claims have been dropped by the Government of Tibet in Exile. And yet Tibet in exile claim Qinghai to be part of their "Greater Tibet", and want 16 other ethnic groups to move out or subdue to their rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Celestialsz (talk • contribs) 11:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

As for what the Tibetans called / call South Tibet, I suspect that there's a name out there somewhere, but until someone who knows Tibetan shows up, this will unfortunately remain a mystery to us. -- ran (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Are native people Chinese/Tibetan?

Here's observation, the native people living in this place look more like Chinese/Tibetan than Indian! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.44.204 (talk) 01:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

That would be original research, which has no place in Wikipedia. It's also something of a sweeping statement. However, the article does now state that the majority of the native population are of Tibeto-Burman origin. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The natives are definitely not Indic biogenetically. 86.149.134.157 (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

ethnic group

Some of these ethnic group in China? And there are considered part of the Tibetans?--Kaiyr (talk) 08:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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The structure of the article is good, now it just needs expansion. --Danaman5 21:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC) The Map of India shown in this article is wrongly published. Kindly change it as per Govt. of India published map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.246.53 (talk) 06:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Christians are growing fast

The only reason it's growing so fast is because they're trying covert as much as possible in asia and africa. It's practically dead in europe and it will probably die in 100 years in america. too bad it'll take so long

that's because xtianity is repressive and the clergy is full of pedophiles.

- Christianity is growing, mainly in Asia and especially in Africa with its very high population growth rates. The growth is usually much higher in places with higher poverty rates and illiteracy rates. The Christian based NGO's have been targeting these places for decades. As the population gets more educated and prosperous, the Christian growth rates slow down and in some cases reverse ... Notably in Europe. (South Korea is another example) I believe in the future, ... probably not my lifetime ... religion in general will decline regardless what PEW and other organizations may say. Europe, and soon North America is going through this. Asia (minus Middle East) will be next. Middle East and other Muslim majority countries will go through this as well, but unfortunately it will be turbulent. The clerics are going to be reluctant to let go and have the flock wander and think for themselves. I believe in the future, most people will be either Agnostic or even Atheists.

-- Now India: After Independence, India, a very poor and a struggling new nation getting over the colonial repercussions was an easy target for missionaries. North East India was very fertile for Christian missionaries. The area very isolated from rest of India and its population, very poor and uneducated. The Central government was unaware or its members corrupt to do anything. North East India was a feeding frenzy for Christian missionaries, resulting in three states in the North East having majority Christian population (Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya) . There was very little resistance, if any, to the Christian missionaries until recently, probably in the last 2 decades. Hindu Organizations such as RSS started galvanizing the North East with Ashrams, Schools, Hospitals, etc to halt the Christian growth. I believe they have been successful, otherwise all of Northeast would have been Christian, however in Assam case, it would have been Muslim. The Hindu organizations are now richer and more organized are poised to "bring" back the people back to Hinduism, they are actually copying the the Christian missionary styles to do that. Only time will tell how successful they will be.

--- I believe the largest religious group in Arunachal Pradesh today is Hinduism. Many who were considered as "others" are now considering themselves as Hindus. Very recently, in the past few years, RSS has made great inroads in bringing in the Tribes who are considered "animists" towards Hinduism. I believe, Hinduism is already passed the 50% mark. There are no doubts, areas bordering Nagaland have witnessed much higher Christian growth in the past ten years (thanks to Congress rule, ... we can blame Congress for the mess in much of North East India, especially in Assam) but still the figures for Christianity looks exaggerated and doubtful. With the new Federal government in the office, restrictions on NGO's and more revitalized RSS and VHP will push the Hindu cause further in Arunachal and North East in general.

«» Middle Path «» — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.120.202 (talk) 18:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Response

To Dangerous-Boy:

I don't hate Christianity. But I cannot tolerate the way the Europeans and Americans are doing to Asians, and acculturalisation is really taking place. You said that Christianity is not dead at all is all nonsencial. In America and Europe, 90% of the population are Christians. Where the heck you said that it's dead?

To Nichalp:

I have already cleaned up slightly on the article, notably the Christians. However, in relations to the External Links in this older version, [2], I think that it should be put up, but in a different orientation. See how I did on Korean Buddhism.

Also, I hope that we can help together by cleaning up the article, making it similar to your Sikkim style in a month's time.

Mr Tan 18:12, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've had a look at the external links. Most of the articles are not published by reputed media organisation. We need credible links, one that is published by established media organisations, not some shady websites having a propaganda to achieve. Next there will always be VHP rants on conversion. Everyone in India take their sayings lightly as their "proofs" are known to be dubious. References of conversions should be taken from reputed sites such as the Times of India, Indian Express etc. where a report or investigation is done by a reporter rather than publishing of sayings of an extremist member of an organisation. Nichalp 18:58, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

• How much information you know about Arunachal Pradesh, in order to expand the article?

• And also, how did the official tourism webstite on Arunachal said that there are around 5-10% of the population is Christian? There must be some explanation behind the growth.

Mr Tan 18:12, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• • I'm not denying that there is a growth in Christian population in Arunachal Pradesh. What I am saying is that if anything unethical is going on, a credible media source should be cited. I have some matter on AP (a few reference books), though AP remains India's least known of state. I collect information from newspapers and add the information to Wikipedia. AP is rarely mentioned, though I have some info on the new species of monkeys recently discovered there. Nichalp 18:55, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, now Hinduism is growing very fast and having a field day like Christian organizations did. In past 5 years, Hindu organizations have copied the Christian missionaries and using some of their "techniques" to convert or to encourage to come home "ghar wapsi". Interestingly, many Hindu organizations are encouraging indigenous beliefs such as Donyi-Polo, Rangfraism, Intayaism, etc, even Buddhism, which is creating a strong appeal among the people in the Northeast. It's interesting how some media (pseudo-seculars) and certain religious groups are criticizing Hindu missions, calling it suppression of minorities, but stay silent on Christian missionary activities (and even on Islamic activities). I guess, now the Hindu organizations are giving the Christian and other organizations a run for their money. - Middle Path — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.22.212 (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

because of international pressure?

"China soon declared victory, withdrew back to the McMahon Line and returned Indian prisoners of war in 1963 primarily because of international pressure. " I don＇t think so. I think the main reason for China's withdrawal is that the army's logistics supply can not keep up. As we all know, The environment of Qinghai-Tibet Plateau is extremely bad.In addition, at this time China's three years of difficult times just over, the domestic environment is not good, the war should not drag on for a long time. Also, at the time of the Sino Soviet evil, and the escalation of the war with India will lead to more pressure on China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 泽璟瑄 (talk • contribs) 10:20, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Territorial disputes

There is an unreferenced statement in the Lead that there are "territorial disputes" and I am going to remove it!-Dona-Hue (talk) 05:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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Arunachal Pradesh a state of china?

Dear editor, I believe before writing this blog you must have done a lot of research about the topic. But to my surprise seems like you haven't done enough research. Arunachal Pradesh is not a state of China but of India. Its a very beautiful state, filled with natural beauty and a part of north-east India. please correct your facts especially when you are doing world wide publish. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PREETY PATEL (talk • contribs) 11:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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Description of the British map published in 1909

In my opinion, since the description of the British map published in 1909 is not reliably sourced, it would be better to describe it as the "British map published in 1909 showing a line different from the McMahon line as the border between India and Tibet". Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks–Jakichandan (talk) 04:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the wording mentioned above is fine. Another version to keep it simple would be to just say "British map published in 1909 showing the Indo-Tibetan border". Adamgerber80 (talk) 04:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Meaning

It’s on wiktionary, but this article doesn’t say that Arunachal means Dawn-Lit mountains. 120.16.214.55 (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2018 (UTC)MBG

 Done. I added it. If somebody challenges, you will need to find a reliable source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

RoC vs PRC

The lede says that a major portion of Arunchal Pradesh is claimed by the Republic of China. Just to clarify, are we talking of Taiwan or China? For what it's worth, it's the People's Republic of China that is making the claim. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Mention of disputed status / disputed border in the lead

@Gotitbro: It's not necessary to use WP:DR if we can come to an agreement here first. I don't see what's wrong with following the precedent set at articles like Jammu and Kashmir (union territory) and Ladakh, particularly as they were established through lengthy DR, unless you have specific reasoning that this is so different that we need a separate process. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarkH21: It's a different dispute altogether, even the Kashmir lead consensus was for top sub-level administrative entities in the region only. We are not going to extrapolate that here. This is a much more subdued conflict than Kashmir, not mention as you said the whole border from Kashmir to Arunachal between China and India is disputed so to label this state as disputed separately and retrospectively date it to 1913 feels incorrect. This would require a wider consensus. Gotitbro (talk) 04:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I mean yes it's a different dispute. However, formatting the lead for a disputed region is independent of which dispute it is, right? Perhaps we don't need to label the entire state as disputed yet without DR, but it is correct and neutral to say that the border between India and China at the McMahon Line is disputed, with a link to Sino-Indian border dispute#The McMahon Line. Right now, the lead asserts in WP voice that the border is the McMahon Line and that violates WP:NPOV. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarkH21: Agreed, I have done so. Avoiding overlinking in the lead, the link to the McMahon line should suffice. Gotitbro (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

District image

Mr Tan: Is the image of the districts of AP copyright free? You would have to tag the image if it is under GFDL or in Public Domain. I've checked my references -- Manorama Year Book 2003' for Arunachal Pradesh but I have nothing much to add. I just have basic information on the districts, that 80% of the people are tribal and 2/3rd of the state is under forest cover. Not much to add I'm afraid. Nichalp 18:22, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

food

whats the main food eaten here? whenever i search for it heare i never get it. Why is that so when i clearly type the topic?

Use of 'Communist China' as a pejorative to push an agenda

Bharatveer, can you please stop reverting my edits. You are getting close to 3RR. Your comparison of Communist China and Democratic India is designed to push an opinion. This is not the place - just keep it to facts. A country's name should not be preceded by an adjective unless absolute necessary and relevant. I get the feeling you are biased against China. If you want to discuss merits of so-called communism in China and so called democracy in India do it elsewhere. I have modified the section to a neutral tone and added a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakashi10 (talk • contribs) 11:28, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Official Languages?

How come only Adi,Monpa and Nishi are official languages of Arunachal Pradesh. If you see the diversity of Arunachal tribes and sub-tribes you will find every district are speaking different dialects. Only Hindi and English are mostly spoken languages. I myself donot speak Adi,Monpa and Nishi dialect........ and am very much from arunachal pradesh. When you create any information about particular state it should have proper information otherwise it creates confusion for every one. Most appropriate and true information about arunachal pradesh is that every districts speaks own dialects and most importantly hindi is spoken almost every corner of arunachal pradesh.

I agree. It must be corrected. Hido F (talk) 06:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Christian

I agree what you say. However, the Christians are growing fast and traditional religions are in decline, although it needs to be somewhat neutralised. Well, I think you follow up at the links stated on the links page.

I will try to neutralise the content within the next few days. However, all edits are welcome.

Mr Tan 22:43, Feb 16 2005 (UTC)

About the Christian population growth, the same can be said in an encyclopedic tone rather than accusing missionaries of "killing" tribal customs. If we can obtain some images, this page migh well be a FA someday like Sikkim. Nichalp 18:41, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hinduism and Islam is also in rise and growth. It is quite the spectacle Hido F (talk) 06:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Arunachal Pradesh

Arunachalpradesh is the most eastern state of India. Is also known as the place of the rising Sun 2409:4063:6D96:F3E0:0:0:4C0A:CC0F (talk) 14:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

McMahon Line section

I am putting a POV tag on the McMahon Line section. Let us look at the first problem for instance. "McMahon drew the border." He didn't. He negotiated the border. And Tibet signed the agreement with full knowledge of what she was doing. The citation provided says nothing about any of this. The statement is simply WP:OR. The rest of the secion contains similarly dubious statements. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Chinese position

Another interesting sentence from the same section is this:

The Chinese position was that Tibet was not independent from China and could not sign treaties, so the Accord was invalid, like the Anglo-Chinese (1906) and Anglo-Russian (1907) conventions.

References

First of all, the citation is not correct. It is an edited volume of Jayanta Kumar Ray. The real source is Arun Kumar Banerji, who contributed a chapter called "Borders". To me this feels like a little encyclopedia on India's foreign relations edited by a local Indian scholar, using his acquaintances as contributors. Banerji is a reasonable scholar, but his citations do not include the seminal work on McMahon Line published Parshotam Mehra. (Maybe he disagrees with him, but the right thing for a scholar to do would be to cite him and explain why he disagrees rather than to ignore him completely. Failing that, we have to take it as substandard scholarship.)

Even with all these caveats, what the source says is something entirely different:

The Chinese decision to repudiate the action of [Ivan] Chen robbed the draft treaty [the Simla Convention] of much of its significance, since the Chinese Government announced that it would not recognize any bilateral agreement between Tibet and the British Government.

There is nothing here about the McMahon Line being "invalid". In fact, it was not about the McMahon Line agreement at all. The passage is discussing the signing of the Simla Convention, which is an entirely different document. McMahon and the Tibetan representative signed it even without Chinese agreement. Under those circumstances it is quite natural for China to decalare that it won't recognise it. Even then "robbing it from much of its significance" is not equivalent to "invalid".

Whether it is valid or not has to be determined by independent legal scholars, not by China. The scholars have no reservations about it at all. Tibet was a de facto independent nation at that time, and it could sign whatever it wanted. Here is what one scholar says about it:

The Chinese government in 1914 had no legal basis to negotiate on behalf of Tibet nor to accept or reject boundary, trade or other bilateral agreements entered into by Tibet with other states. Thus we must conclude that not only were the Simla agreements valid and enforceable under international law as between the parties to those agreements, but China had and still has no legal basis to deny their validity.

References

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Has an international legal body given it's opinion on the legal status of the McMahon line? Chaipau (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

You mean ICJ? Nobody took it to ICJ. So the answer is no. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Another scholarly opinion. This deals with the status of Tibet rather than that of McMahon Line. But they are essentially the two sides of the same coin. As the quote above says: "The Chinese position was that Tibet was not independent from China and could not sign treaties".

To my knowledge, without exception, every independent scholar who has examined this question concluded that Tibet qualified under international law as a sovereign state in 1950, the year during which the People's Liberation Army (PLA) invaded and colonized Tibet.

References

In more detail:

The precise nature of Tibet's historical relationship with China remains contentious and complicated.[139] But all politically independent analysts agree that from 1913 to 1950 Tibet enjoyed de facto independence and statehood.[14] The International Commission of Jurists carried out extensive investigations of Tibet's legal status and human rights conditions in 1959, 1960, and 1997. It concluded that before the invasion "Tibet had achieved de facto independence and all of the requirements of de jure independence except formal international recognition."[141]

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3, it seems it is not well settled. Tibetan_sovereignty_debate#cite_note-15. Chaipau (talk) 20:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, people use de jure as an opposite of de facto, but its real meaning is something quite different. Ignoring semantics, legal scholars have said that recognition by other sovereign states is not a necessary condition for independence under international law. So, this leaves us with no conclusion. (Yeah, it wasn't recognized by other states, but that doesn't matter. So?)

Secondly, certain amount of recognition of its sovereignty was accorded by Britain when it was treated as an equal party at the 1914 Simla Conference. If and when the Simla Convention was to be signed, it was supposed to carry three signatures (Britain, China and Tibet). China was told that, until the Simla Convention is concluded, Tibet's status was that of an independent state.

Thirdly, even when Tibet was under the suzerainty of China, it signed plenty of international agreements, e.g., with Ladakh, Nepal and Britain itself (Convention of Lhasa). So nobody can argue that Tibet was incompetent to sign international agreements.

This is all pointless nitpicking. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Please don't get me wrong. The questions that are been asked and the answers to these questions are all germane to the issue. And should be stated clearly. What we cannot do as editors is take a position. Chaipau (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Problem with map

The map in the infobox has a serious problem: it does not show the countries bordering India. Please fix this situation. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

About the local public

It is too much difficult for non traibal public from different side of the country. Some Local young druggist people are creating issues, they are likely snatching money and threatening to murder. 2409:4066:307:12A4:5DB0:D1FD:1A22:BFF7 (talk) 11:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding primary sources to remove referenced content

@194.156.98.3 and Eupakistani: Regarding these two removals of referenced content (1, 2):

1. Academic secondary sources are the generally "the most reliable sources" for WP purposes (WP:SCHOLARSHIP). Here you are removing content referenced directly to a 2020 Springer Nature book which, regarding historical Chinese claims to Arunachal Pradesh, states: The ROC officially has never ceased to claim that it is the legitimate government of all China and continues, therefore, to claim all the territories that the People’s Republic of China claims and more. This includes territories in dispute with India, too.
2. Your use of the Taiwanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs's website for basic country info is a WP editor's interpretation of a primary source.
3. You're also referencing a Mainland Affairs Council enforcement rules for specific laws & regulations on mainland affairs, which are not at all about claimed territory of the Republic of China (Taiwan).

— MarkH₂₁^talk 01:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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