Talk:Art song

Robert Franz

Why is Robert Franz's name not mentioned under Austrian and German section? 馬太阿房 (talk) 23:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for help

I would like to help build an article that discusses the origins and development of art song (trouveres, Caccini, Dowland, etc.) up to modern times (Argento, Henze, and so on), as well as dealing with what is noteworthy about the form. Part of the discussion should deal with the usual presentation of these pieces: the recital, its division into groups, and the difference from opera in vocal demands, the fact that it is done in a context of (relative) silence and continuous (sometimes) attention -- audience and setting are clearly part of the experience, and the fact that folk songs, spirituals and Tin Pan Alley tunes can "become" art songs through arrangement, presentation and context should be mentioned. It would be good to mention the contributions of a few dozen composers -- and incidentally their poets -- and to list (at least) some prominent interpreters.

A word about the "Lied" article: I think it is appropriate to have a separate article about this term, just as there could be a brief article on "mélodie", but "art song" is far more inclusive of the global genre and I believe that Lied and equivalent articles should point to "art song".

A few books, other than classroom texts, that might serve as sources and further reading are "The Singer and His Art" by Aksel Schiøtz; "Schubert's Songs" by Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau; "The Songs of Hugo Wolf" by Eric Sams; "The Art of the Song Recital" by Shirlee Emmons; "The Interpretation of French Song" by Pierre Bernac. The website that offers the most song texts and translations in the greatest number of languages is www.recmusic.org/lieder (run by the tireless Emily Ezust).

Of course these are sources more useful to the professional or connoisseur, but those with an interest in art song are mostly those very people. As any recitalist can confirm, a number of very experienced instrumentalists, conductors and (embarassingly) singers are only vaguely familiar with the depth and breadth of this repertoire. The article most likely will be of intense interest to a rather small audience well-prepared for technical discussion, although the difficulties should not be so great as to kill the passing interest of a much larger group.

For those who read German, the German Wikipedia has some extensive song-related entries. The German entry on "Winterreise" for instance has a song-by-song treatment of the text and vocal part separate from treatment of the piano part.

Although I am a professional singer with a strong interest in this area, I am neither a qualified musicologist nor an advanced Wiki editor, so I will not be able to do this properly on my own!

Pheidias 00:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

1 Feb 2008 17:30 Removal of external link: marshall.charles.googlepages.com

This external link which I posted was removed automatically, I think because the domain googlepages.com infringed some protocal. However, I would ask that the link be retained because it provides translations, recordings and original texts of the 4th Book of madrigals by Monteverdi, and Monteverdi is included elsewhere in the Wikipedia article. The link is therefore relevant and would provide a useful resource for visitors to the page. It may be helpful to the editor to note that there have been 52 visitors to marshall.charles.googlepages.com since a link to the site was posted on the German page http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunstlied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesmarshall65 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Explanation for why I deleted the external link marshall.charles.googlepages.com - English translations and recordings from the Fourth Book of Monteverdi's Madrigals

For an explanation of my decision to delete this external link, please see this Pasiphae discussion page which is just one example of the way Wikipedia is going. Charles Marshall --Charlesmarshall65 (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

British and Scottish

A minor point, but still... There are a number of composers listed as "British" and then one as "Scottish". We either ought to separate British out into its component parts, or change it to "English" if all the people listed there are English, or else include the Scottish composer under the British list. Any thoughts as to which is preferable? Ondewelle (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, not all the composers formerly listed as British were English. However, I see that an attempt has since been made to list the composers by the language of their songs rather than by their country of birth -- though with inconsistencies ("Austrian", for example, is not a language!). The list does therefore require further work – and would also benefit, in my view, from alphabetization of the entries under each sub-heading. --Picapica (talk) 06:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Languages and nationalities

My interest today is in the term Art song — the etymology of the term itself in English. Lied in German and Mélodie in French (circa 1840s) have long usage. But, in English, when was the genre identified and called an Art song? Did Antoinette Sterling say in 1877, "Oh, Sir Arthur has written a new art song." Was the genre just called "Parlor music" up until... when? Thank you for any help in this. John Sinclair (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

My lay hunch is that it was simply called "song", just like Lied in German is not genre-specific – to specify classical music, you use the literal equivalent of art song, namely Kunstlied. Pop songs did not exist yet and folk songs were the model for art song, so the need to differentiate was not as strong because context would normally disambiguate. For an educated (especially upper-class) person, music used to and can still today mean classical music first and foremost. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Online episodes (free) of radio program devoted to art songs

My state classical-music public-radio station has a weekly art song program (previously called Great Songs, now called Singing and Other Sins because nowadays people call anything that can be downloaded a "song"). It is the only radio program in the world that focuses on art song. The station has a new website format and all of the archived episodes are free to listen to: [1]. Over the years the show has also done exclusive interviews: I particularly recommend the 2013–2016 inteviews with Ned Rorem, and the two-part 2013 interview with Christa Ludwig(!). Just Control+F interview. Most programs are not interviews but rather artsong programs with well-informed commentary. Anyway, check out the various episodes if you like! Softlavender (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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Chinese interwiki needed

Interwiki needed to zh:藝術歌曲. Can someone please add it? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 15:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)