Talk:Al-Tirmidhi

Question regarding the Sunan

Are Jami at-Tirmidhi and Sunan al-Tirmidhi really different books? Any expert in this field? When where they writen? --Striver 14:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

This question has been dealt with, and referenced on the Sunanpage. Supertouch (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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As per Karen G. Ruffle, Gender, Sainthood, & Everyday Practice in South Asian Shi'ism, 40, Tirmidhi was Persian. Nothing has been presented that states otherwise. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Ruffle is talking about Al-Hakim at-Tirmidhi, the Sufi, not Abu Isa at-Tirmidhi, the hadith scholar. As for the other source (Edward Sell, The Faith of Islam), it does not mention that he was Persian. I am removing these two sources. Axiom292 (talk) 04:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep. My bad. These sources are interesting though, The Qurʼan and Sayings of Prophet Muhammad: Selections Annotated & Explained, Sohaib Sultan, p xxiii.

Virtual Worlds Real Terrorism, Akil Ar-Raqīb, Edward M. Roche, p 263 n24. --Defensor Ursa 05:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Persian or Arab

Was at-Tirmidhi of Persian or Arab ancestry? I think Salahuddin Ali Abdul Mawjood's book, The Biography of Imām at-Tirmidhī, would help, but I don't have a copy.

He was known as "as-Sulami", indicating affiliation to the Arab tribe of Banu Sulaym, but this does not eliminate the possibility of his being Persian—al-Bukhari, for example, carried the nisbah "al-Ju`fi" because his great-grandfather accepted Islam at the hands of a person of the Ju`fi tribe. The fact that al-Bukhari was of Persian descent is evident in his great-great-grandfather's Persian name. However, at-Tirmidhi's great-great-grandfather had an Arabic name, so that doesn't help. I have not seen sources that state at-Tirmidhi was known as as-Sulami by way of wala'.

Sultan states that the six famous collectors of hadith were "all of Persian heritage from modern day Uzbekistan or Iran." (Sultan, Sohaib (2007). The Qur'an and Sayings of Prophet Muhammad: Selections Annotated and Explained. Woodstock, Vt: Skylight Paths Publishing. p. xxiii.) This supports at-Tirmidhi being of Persian descent, but I have not seen any other sources to support this.

Ar-Raqib and Roche identify him as "a medieval Persian collector of hadith." (Ar-Raqib, Akil; Roche, Edward M. (2009). Virtual Worlds Real Terrorism. p. 263.)

Merriam-Webster/Britannica identifies him as an "Arab scholar." (Duignan, Brian, ed. (11 July 2007). "al-Tirmidhī". Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.) (Doniger, Wendy, ed. (1999). "Tirmidhī, al-". Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions. Merriam-Webster, Inc. p. 1098.)

I think the most that can be said is that at-Tirmidhi was Persian in the sense that he was from Persia. He was born in Tirmidh, a city in Abbasid Persia, specifically in the province of Khurasan. According to a weaker opinion, however, he was born in Mecca. --Axiom292 (talk) 06:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Most of Islamic scholars said he was an arab from Banu Sulaim tribe. Al Bukhari Was a Mawla. But Imam Al Termidhi was not. They were born in Iran yes. But this does not make them persians. There are turkic azeris and Arabs. Thr Arabs even exist in Afghanistan. At that time large number of Arabs settled in this region Rozzah 123 (talk) 11:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

failed verification per WP:VER :Revert vandalism

((The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 4: From the Arab Invasion to the Saljuqs Writes)) (After this period commences the age of the authors of the six canonical collections of Sunni hadith (al-sihdh al-sittd)y all of whom were Persian)
((Ar-Raqib, Akil; Roche, Edward M. (2009). Virtual Worlds Real Terrorism. p. 263.)) (writes he was a persian)
((Sultan, Sohaib (2007). The Qur'an and Sayings of Prophet Muhammad: Selections Annotated and Explained. Woodstock, Vt: Skylight Paths Publishing)) (writes there were six collectors of hadith—all of Persian heritage from mod¬ ern day Uzbekistan or Iran) Mohammad Cowboy (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

January 2022

I'm starting this section to give 93.22.38.147 the chance to explain their edit. M.Bitton (talk) 21:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)