Talk:Abdul Rauf (Taliban governor)

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because nominator is completely mistaken that it is a duplicate. Nominator believes that this article Abdul Rauf (Taliban governor) is about Abdul Rauf Aliza, even though Abdul Rauf the Governor is about 20 years older, and was listed on UN special resolutin 1267 in 1999 when Abdul Raug Aliza was just 18 years old. --Geo Swan (talk) 16:39, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Identity confusion

Confused and confusing American intelligence reporting have resulted in confusion in the press corps, such that several distinct individuals have been conflated.

Other, earlier reporting makes clear that Abdul Rauf Aliza is not the former Taliban Governor and Taliban spokesman generally known as Mullah Abdul Rauf. The former Taliban Governor was active in the late 1990s, when Abdul Rauf Aliza was just a teenager. He was an active Taliban spokesman, at large, in the early 2000s, when Abdul Rauf Aliza was still in detention in Guantanamo.

I don't want to be the sole editor on this, but I strongly feel that the reporting in this, and other articles, that repeats the press corps face value acceptance that the multiple individuals are a single individual should be deprecated.

Its tricky. I don't want to stray into original research. I am sure that, with an appropriate citation of the references that establish that an individual, or individuals, known as Mullah Abdul Rauf, were active and at large, when Abdul Rauf Aliza was too young to be a senior Taliban commander, or was in US custody, our reporting on these individuals could stop well short of simply repeating at face value that they were all the same individual. Geo Swan (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Wrong person

This article does not list a birth date and also uses the same image that I added to the Abdul Rauf Aliza page. It also states his death is the same as the other Abdul's page. That figure is also known as Mullah Abdul Rauf Khadim, a young combatant held at Gitmo and killed in an airstrike, seems to be the same as the one currently described by this page. Either the pages should be merged or this page should be updated to reflect the biography of the distinct Taliban figure mentioned above. Morrowulf (talk) 18:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :@Geo Swan: @Morrowulf: There were four articles that I believed (or "confirmed") were all about the same person: Abdul Rauf Aliza, Abdul Rauf (Taliban governor), Abdul Rauf (ISIS recruiter), and Abdul Rauf (militant commander) (I see that you have also identified an article about Abdul Rauf (anti-Taliban cleric) who is clearly a different person.) I based my conclusion on the fact that all four articles described a person who was killed on February 9, 2015 in a drone strike. In addition the biographies overlapped substantially. It's entirely possible that more than one individual has been conflated here; the name Abdul Rauf or Abdur Rauf is clearly very common. But if Reliable Sources have mixed them up, how shall we sort them out? Which one was killed in the drone strike, and which one(s) were not? We can't continue to have four articles that may or may not be about the same person. I had tagged the latter three articles for speedy deletion per A10, but I have removed all the tags until we figure this out. How do you propose we sort it out? --MelanieN (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I see that a discussion has started at Talk:Abdul Rauf Aliza where people are laying out their evidence for whether we are talking about one, two, or three people. That discussion needs to be centralized somewhere; let's do it there. --MelanieN (talk) 18:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)