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This page should provide help for readers and editors trying to understand how we transcribe Kazakh. Some explanation of conditional variants (allophones) and orthographic conventions might be in order here. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 14:22, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

J

The J in Kazakh is J not Zh jn the Yanalif Kazakh language used before switching to Cyrillic there were 2 letters. Ç(J) and Z with stick(Zh). In Kazakh writing it used Ç. Çev-eating. Жеу(jeu, jew). When it switched to cyrillic under the leadership of Amanjol Sarsen it was decided that Kazakh words with ж would pronounce like J and borrowing words (mostly from Russian where ж is zh and there is no J sound, it can be done only with 2 letters ДЖ(DZH)) wiyh zh. NusrTansj (talk) 07:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The phonetic inventory of a natural language isn't something that changes overnight because of a spelling reform. Your claim that [dʒ] occurs in Kazakh must be backed up by a reliable descriptive source before incorporating it into the key. And your edit, which replaced ⟨ʑ⟩ with ⟨dʒ⟩, doesn't comport with your claim that borrowed words are still pronounced "with zh". Nardog (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

q

Amd I think Ska is not right. There is no such a q sound in English. Its like in Arabic Qaf(ق) - qaf. قاراق- qazaq. By sound hard h(x) is even closer than k. NusrTansj (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Look at the column heading. You're right, [q] doesn't occur in English, and that's precisely why it is approximated by [k]. Nardog (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Е doesn't make the /jɪ/ sound

It's clearly /e/. I don't know much about linguistics, but I'm a native Kazakh speaker GM Max Deutsch (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

/t͜ɕ/ and /ts/ aren't their own phonemes

They only exist in Russian loanwords GM Max Deutsch (talk) 18:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)