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USER:SteveBenassi may have returned.

A new IP (that also geolocates to the same region as the last IP sock) is making POV edits at Genetic studies of Jews. When I reverted them, they reinstated their edit with some very inflammatory and hostile language in their edit note. See: [1] Skllagyook (talk) 23:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

A peculiar one.

Please look at Special:Contributions/Pradeepsethi.in the AfD they started and my comment on their talk page. I find the scent of fish all over it, and would appreciate either your action or your guidance. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah, there's all kinds of things wrong with that. I closed that AfD: that was so improper that any discussion would have been tainted. Drmies (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Thank you. That makes sense. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Looking at the article in its current state it is vulnerable to deletionThat may be no bad thing, but I wood nit like to see the poor nominator's wishes fulfilled so simply. I think I will ignore it when it is nominated, though I have strong concerns about that nominator. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
    • You kind of wonder what was happening between client and agent. I think the agent was just not competent enough to deal with it in a way that would satisfy the client without setting off alarm bells. Oh, wait, I had looked at the beginning of the history and the end, but didn't see this, and going back I now see this: look quick before I revdelete a whole bunch from that history. User:Timtrent pinging you so you can look quickly. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
      • Blimey! I wonder if we are speaking about a closet. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
        • OK, now I can revdelete the hell out of that. It's clearly a social media-generated attack on a public person in a country where way too many people hate gays. Very sad. Drmies (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
          • Well, we all have to live with people who hate people. It seems to me that semi-protection is the way to go. Though that does make me think of a condom packet with a pinhole through it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
            • Hammersoft, I see you blocked a bunch of those jerks. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
              • Happy to help! --Hammersoft (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival (last century). - Look at Graham's page for the real thing yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Wut?

UTRS appeal #89010 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• User:Deepfriedokra, something changed in the login procedure and I can actually see it! Why am I the blocking administrator? Drmies (talk) 16:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like JMC89 solved it. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

SteveBenassi yet again

I'm sorry to keep bothering you about this. Yet another IP, also from Minnesota, has added one of the same sources previously pushed by USER:SteveBenassi to the Genetic studies of Jews page, here [2]. I reverted them but I expect them to likely edit war, possibly with uncivil responses. This user really is determined to push his pov. It's getting very brazen. I'm not sure what to do. Skllagyook (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC) Unsurprisingly, they reinstated their edit, here [[3]]. Skllagyook (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I reverted their edit, but I expect that they'll undo mine and add it back (sigh). NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

User:NoobThreePointOh They (under another Minnesota IP) did indeed revert you just now (here [4]) with (as is typical of SteveBenassi) some uncivil, hostile, and accusatory language directed at me in the summary. Skllagyook (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course they did it (clap clap for them). Oh well, I hope some admin comes to the rescue. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Your hope has come true. Sorry, Skllagyook, for the abuse you've been enduring. Drmies (talk) 16:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Drmies for stepping into the rescue. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Please look at these two

I doubt there is a need for an SPI, but there is odd behaviour.

• Maniacdude is the earlier of the two account by minutes
• Zenithxxx is the later of the two

Each states that the other is their alternate account. Each identity tag teams the other in editing, though edits in tranches from what I have seen. I have not checked (eg) deletion discussions. I see every reason to believe that they are telling the truth, but I see no justification in WP:VALIDALT for this usage of an alternate account. I may have missed something, though 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for tracking this down. The "no access to laptop" excuse doesn't wash, didn't wash from day one, but it appears to be naivety, not malicious intent. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

The Brill book

Uhm, I don't want to be spoilsport for my own (and JT's) case, but actually, the work in question is available online[5]. But don't worry, I have more evidence up my sleeve (and already shared it in private with JT) if needed. I just don't want to publically give away all the characteristics that they will subsequently avoid when they read their own SPI case history. Austronesier (talk) 10:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• Ha, OK, that's awesome BTW--but it's also very odd. That's a Sealang website, not the Brill website (they do have e-books, including mine (haha yes, facts) but I don't think they look like that); what the user is citing is the book. Maybe we just told them what to do but it doesn't really matter. Yes, keep the rest off-wiki. If need be, if there's ever an admin interested in that unblock request (for the TPS, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Eiskrahablo, we'll find a way to inform them. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  • The Sealang page has some hidden gems; this dictionary is definitely among them. Brill is not the fastest among publishers when it comes to digitalize older works (much to my own frustratration since a lot of great works in my field were published by Nijhoff). Things might change under De Gruyter as they have been a bit quicker with digitalizing old books (the only positive change to expect, I guess)... A completely different thing: have you received my email about a different LTA case that I have sent a while ago? Just curious. –Austronesier (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I did not. I got you in my email only when you're copied into it. But some things get filtered out, for no apparent reason. I'll send you an email so you can reply; let's see how that works. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
      • I have sent two mails, one as reply, the other one as a forward of my previous mail. Hope this works now. –Austronesier (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI

I copied you on an email exchange I've been having. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oh that was you--I understand the sign-off now, but this was all very mysterious to me. I also couldn't tell who the accuser was, and there was no specific evidence. Sounds like a master plan at work, or an overactive imagination. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
  • I haven't heard from them since the last message. I got the feeling they were hoping I'd just block somebody on a few or no questions asked basis. Not sure I will even hear from them again, but if I do, I will expect evidence and their username. Otherwise, I'm moving on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
    • Well, they sent me a message which I copied to you along with my reply. They are being very cagey about their own identity which is making me suspicious. Still, they included a bunch of diffs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
      • I saw it. I remembered that CU has been run on the one editor, with no result, and the log confirms that, but that was in 2019. I'm not going to do anything until the user explains who they are and until there's a bit more than a list of times. Drmies (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

        I'm going to away for the next few days, so I will be mostly offline until this weekend. (If the former guy is convicted you have my proxy to vote for posting the blurb at ITNC.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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I don't even know what to make of this

I was going to tag this one under U5 but honestly I don't even know what to make of it. User:Alexa6ray93/sandbox TornadoLGS (talk) 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Ha, I threw in a few more. Thanks--we can't have that kind of stuff. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Looked around and the person has some modest fame on account of the news covering their arrest. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Page protection

Hi Drmies, could you protect the Jason Momoa article? An IP hopping vandal has continued to make unsubstantiated claims regarding the actor's relationship status.-KH-1 (talk) 02:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Give me a minute. Drmies (talk) 02:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • @Drmies: I'm currently working on this. They reported this to two noticeboards and here. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
    • Thanks Daniel. I was blocking socks of User:Heyayhaqyyaha--it's pretty sad. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Raegan Revord

Why did you delete the draft? The only reason to delete the draft is when the page is published. We are talking about the biography of a leading actress in a high-profile multi-season TV series. Please reinstate the draft, or even better, publish the page. Marbe166 (talk) 06:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I saw that on my watchlist, and was a little surprised since I assumed several editors including myself had spent time on editing it, though I don't know who the blocked or banned users are supposed to be. I'm not saying it's at WP:N at this point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it was re-created by a user who is now blocked (that's one of the incarnations you worked on), but I see now that I interpreted G5 too liberally and I'll restore it. The very first creator, BTW, is also blocked, and one of the most recent editors, User:Prince6191, is also a sock. To top it all of it's literally just been recreated and I need to look into that. Drmies (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• You may wish to restore the Talk page for it as well, if only to keep us from having to utterly restart the conversations about why the subject does not meet WP:NACTOR. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Yep, please restore the talkpage too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
    • Done. Thanks for the reminder--hadn't had coffee yet. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
    • Gråbergs Gråa Sång, that draft doesn't look half-bad. Why not just move it into mainspace? It's not promotional, it has sourcing--we let many more articles with much less notability through. Oh, the socks--the biggest thing in there was this one, but the first creation was by this, and there was a sock in between that threw me off track towards deletion. Thanks again for the correction. Drmies (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

      Long discussion on that at talkpage. It's debatable if the sources amount to GNG, some are sort of BLP-crappy, and one significant role doesn't make a NARTIST, apparently. Also, when the submittings started, draft was much worse, which may have built up some resistance in the WP hivemind over time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

      A resistance which is completely unfounded. There are no reasons that the article should not be published, some admins are taking a waaay to harsh stand in this case. Marbe166 (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

      Which would indicate there are reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

As you were just looking at the socks involved and have a better sense of that, you may want to take a look at the new editor whose sole contributions have been a vast rewrite of the article and submitting it. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

New editors, plural.... or at least plural accounts. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

NatGertler, I thought I had checked that "Research" editor earlier, but I hadn't--they're gone now, along with a few others. It's a pretty weird mix of insistence and incompetence; I think whoever paid them should get their money back. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I may request page protection, just to keep this in check. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm that sounded like a request. Granted. Drmies (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! May you have many cookies! -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

You should see this kitten lying next to me--that's all the cookie I need right now, but thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Draft: Sharma Boy

It is fine, there is no need to be sorry! I only said he may be notable, not that he was :) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 13:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

BLPN revdel request

Hi. Thanks in advance for your time. Should this be revdel'd? Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 01:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Ha, I see now there was an intermediate edit, and I took care of it. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks so much! JFHJr (㊟) 21:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
    • No problem--thanks for noting it. I didn't see that that idiotic other comment was in between, so I had to remove that as well. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Page protection

Hey there, all well? Really hope so!

Do you think it's possible to "award" Carlos Xavier the same page protection you "bestowed upon" Pedro Martins a month ago or so? I'll be quick to admit that maybe one of my edit summaries may have escalated the situation, but now the IP(s, similarly endless), that only seem to care about this article in life (!!), continue reverting to a poorer version, with overlinking/overmention/poor English.

Ah, and even though i might have been hysteric in that 6 May summary, i never insulted anyone, and in turn was insulted ("wannabe smartass").

Attentively, continue to be well in and out WP! And sorry for any inconvenience again (i know that aggressive edit summaries are not welcome here, but if i was not able to stop in 18 years, maybe i never will, at least completely). RevampedEditor (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Ha, long time no see. I think "wannabe smartass" isn't a great insult--you can take it in stride. If you failed at being a smartass, perhaps you succeeded at being correct? I'll have a look. Did you see Ronaldo cry? Drmies (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Well, i suppose so, not the biggest in the name-calling department, and i have called others - vandals only, albeit - worse; 2 - yes, i am (and the other users in this article) always correct in reverting. Oh, and i earlier failed to mention this IP also REMOVES REFS!! 3 - Nope, could not be bothered to watch the game. Jorge Jesus (manager of the winning side) also has the biggest of egos, but it's very cool to see this narcissist ending his career like this, to the greatest chagrin of the millions who ass-kiss him, including hundreds of GROWN-UPS (we still have UEFA Euro 2024, hopefully it'll go well for me)! Keep it up --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Haha VASCO, don't hold back! Take care old friend. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Continued changing of ref style across many articles, many years

Drmies, I just discovered that the article Mating of yeast had its long-established reference style changed by Boghog on 9 May from Last, First (Doe, John S.) to Vancouver (Doe JS), contrary to policy. He used to do this often on Evolutionary Biology articles some years ago, but when reverted and warned he stopped, ... I thought. It seems he's just moved on to other areas where I'm not active, and he is still doing it on one article after another. He uses the edit comment "consistent citation formatting" when he does this; a quick search for that in his last 500 edits reveals dozens and dozens of such edits – of course, many of them may be entirely correct and justifiable if Vancouver citations are already the established majority on those articles (as is likely in Medicine and Molecular Biology, for instance); but articles like 'Mating of yeast', Forensic entomology (25 April), and Sexual script theory (24 April), do not really fall into those categories. I suppose if one applies quick edits to a lot of medical articles it would be easy to overgeneralise and do the same on Biology articles too, regardless of established reference styles there. I've posted on the Talk:Mating of yeast page but it seems to me that something should be done. What would you advise? Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bakelmuhammad0

Would you mind casting your eyes over this LOUTSOCK. It's starting to be disruptive. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Crikey! It's likely part of a much larger sock farm. The requested semi-protection will handle the current crop, and there is the no rush. I must be tired 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oh wow. Drmies (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

This

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eva_Vlaardingerbroek&diff=prev&oldid=1227311849 Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 00:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oh what, there's another one? Just as verbose? Drmies (talk) 00:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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