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Nice. I hope nobody gives you grief about WP:COI publishing on Wikipedia. IMHO you are following best practices when it comes to combining WP:OR and Wikipedia-writing. Kudos! PS. I can't see the link to the article you published in your piece above? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus: Thanks! No, I'd argue this is in line with Swedish Wikipedia norms (which are less strict than English Wikipedia in some circumstances, as long as the material has been published but a reliable source), and no one has complained so far. (: Here's a link to the article – this Signpost text is partly a translation, but edited and with a different conclusion. /Julle (talk) 09:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Julle Btw, your story reminds me a bit of my own recent research and conclusion at Talk:Czesław_Lewicki#Righteous_who_saved_Szpilman?, although I did not need to do a research in primary documents, so no need to publish an article, for better or worse. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Based on this experience, I'm tempted to believe it's typically for the better if one doesn't have to go hunting for primary sources. (: /Julle (talk) 13:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Julle Hmmm? How so? I mean, it is time consuming and can be costly too... is this what you mean? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus: And it took me a year to get to the point where I could update the article! /Julle (talk) 02:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

But you also got a non-wiki publication credit out of it. Silver lining too :) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I love a research story like this. Beautiful work, and thank you for sharing it in The Signpost as well. It's inspirational! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! /Julle (talk) 13:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Really interesting story. Good to hear there's significant progress but I hope you will continue to search for his place and date of death. Eric Luth is obviously ubiquitous. Maybe one of these days we'll be able to read about Bertil Anzén on the EN wiki.--Ipigott (talk) 15:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! And yes, I do enjoy the red links in the article, visual reminders of more work we still have to do. /Julle (talk) 01:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Imagine how much it would have cost to hire someone to do this for you. Sandizer (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thousands of dollars, yes, for a few sentences about a forgotten painter. This isn't the kind of thing one can do if anyone is to get paid. /Julle (talk) 01:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant spoiler clickbait hook at the top of the article! Axem Titanium (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! /Julle (talk) 01:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Fun story! Thanks for your work, Julle. Here are the picures by him, sold on auctionet.com. Could you scan your pictures, to illustrate the article? (I am not familiar with Swedish copyrights, is it allowed?) Huldra (talk) 22:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Huldra: Thanks! No, his paintings are still covered by copyright, unfortunately, or I'd have illustrated this article with a photo of the paintings in my kitchen. /Julle (talk) 10:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Julle: Even when you own the paintings? When is the earliest they can be uploaded? I assume it is some x years after the painter died, which is a bit tricky if you don't know his death-date? Huldra (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Huldra: Yes, one owns the physical work of art, but the copyright completely is separate from the artefact, keeping us from uploading photos to Commons. Unless it has been contractually transferred, it remains with the creator – or his descendants for 70 years after his death. Which might be a tad tricky to calculate in this case, but while we can fairly safely assume he's dead, we know it was less than 70 years ago. So: When will it expire? Not certain. Is there a chance it already has expired? No. /Julle (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Really great one, thanks. Unfortunately sounds very familiar.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! /Julle (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)