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Thanks, Will, for this interesting article on your efforts towards overcoming equity problems on Wikipedia and for mentioning Women in Red among the projects which have inspired your work. I was interested to see your lists on Ethnicity and Medical condition but for some reason those on "Sexual orientation", "Nationality" and "Gender" are empty. As for your dashboards, they may well be useful for monitoring progress in the WikiEdu environment but when they are used more widely, for example in connection with editathons, they are not always as accessible as traditional Wikipedia meetup pages. Perhaps somewhere (why not here on The Signpost?) you could offer more detailed explanations on the dashboards and how we can access them as normal Wikipedia users rather than as participants in an educational programme or at an editathon. Unlike Wikipedia pages, many seem to be difficult to access. WP:Dashboard does not appear to cover them.--Ipigott (talk) 10:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Ipigott - Thanks so much for your comments! I'll try to provide further explanations. Using a Dashboard isn't a requirement for creating articles - it's more a supplement for those who are using a Dashboard. The tables generated on these pages will create new article pages whenever you click on one of the redlinks - just like Women in Red works. I agree that more documentation would help. As far as Gender and Sexual Orientation goes, it looks like someone thought they don't follow BLP rules and speedy deleted them. I'll see what I can do about bringing them back, but I can see how those pages might pose a challenge for that policy. Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
"Since these articles exist in other language versions of Wikipedia, the idea is they already pass notability and have references." - I recognize this was originally a blog post meant to build excitement and not a dour "here are all the challenges", but... as someone who's definitely made several articles based on other language Wikipedia's entries, this is an... optimistic... statement that may be setting up some well-meaning volunteers for heartbreak. English Wikipedia, for all its faults, is much better curated than many other language wikis, and they have articles that would be deleted by NPP as overly promotional / sourced to just primary sources. Is there any way for editors to mark entries from this query as unlikely to be suitable for an English Wikipedia article? For example - and for whatever reason, a lot of the initial results from this query are porn stars, even if they thin out later on - Angie Savage has a bunch of articles on other Wikipedias. BUT they were almost surely translations of the English Wikipedia article, which was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angie Savage. If there's any cleanup to be done, it's in deleting those other versions. One low-hanging fruit would be to exclude articles which once were on enwiki but have since been deleted, although I'm not sure if Wikidata tracks this. (@Will (Wiki Ed):). SnowFire (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @SnowFire - you for your comment. Wikidata doesn't track deletion of EN pages or any other language versions. I think this makes sense since notability can change, but I also hear your concern about articles being deleted in English due to lack of notability in English. I can tweak the lists to a certain extent but I would also invite anyone to consider these two things: 1) the idea of these lists is to encourage people on en.wiki to write more about traditionally underrepresented individuals 2) if the scale of the clean up doesn't eclipse the benefit of the articles created, it seems like a worthwhile pursuit. I'm happy to refine these tools to assist with that scale. One last thought is that Women in Red encounters similar issues and is a great success story on Wikipedia. I hope this work can be viewed similarly. Thanks again! Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
One thing I am interested in getting comments about is how best to make sure we are capturing variations in name when listing out potential article subjects. For instance, Sarah Robertson (painter) looks like a pretty decent article that has been in existence since 2014. However, Sarah Margaret Armour Robertson is still listed (as of this writing) as a redlink on both Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Art and also Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles/North America. Now, some of this is going to be inevitable, and obviously we can create a redirect, but what are ideas on how to minimize this going forward? List multiple variations of names on the Women in Red pages? Thanks to all for their contributions and comments. KConWiki (talk) 22:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)