Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Mergers And Organization

Space Marine Characters

Do we move them into one large list, like List of Space Marines, or do we put them on their chapter's page? What do we do with chapters? --Falcorian ^(talk) 18:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I say we go for the List of Space Marines thing (and have each section after a particular chapter), and mention the characters on their chapter page, linking to the list. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 01:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

This of course leaves the question of the chapters themselves... Where does their content go? I'm not sure the chapters are defendable as it were (except maybe those with Codexes?). --Falcorian ^(talk) 02:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Although it pains me to say it, the Chapters wouldn't survive an AfD: the Codex isn't an independent source. --Pak21 (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well yes, but only about... 20 articles would -- those being the games themselves, the authors, novels, and of course companies. And I'm not sure I'm ready to just give them all up. ;-) But I think the first step is to merge the chapters somewhere... Possible the articles I have them listed under now (Second Founding and List of Space Marine Chapters) but then where after that? --Falcorian ^(talk) 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Damn. Teach me to read instructions.

Point The First: Are fictional characters notable?

My answer: Only if they crop up in numerous publications and transcend the material written about them. Thus, Commander Dante might be notable, but Captain Idaeus is not.

Point The Second: If they are notable, where should their information reside?

My answer: Wikipedia disapproves of lists. Therefore, they shouldn't go there, and there isn't sufficient justification for this subject OK-ing list articles where many others do not. Having an article devoted to notable characters for which there are models is a possibility and definitely notable since they are real-world products available to buy and themselves have published articles written about the product itself. However, I'm not sure I approve of this one either. This leads me onto...

Point The Third: Product-Centric or Universe-Centric?

Is a Space Marine character a manufactured product that is available for purchase that has accompanying literature which may be notable, or is a Space Marine character a literary concept that is itself notable, that has an accompanying product?

I would definitely go for the former. As an example, the entirety of the material available on Commander Dante should be:

• Within an article "Space Marines" in a subsection "Notable Space Marines"
• Focused on the fact that a Commander Dante with Honour Guard boxed set is available for purchase, show it, and perhaps reference a few White Dwarf snippets
• Reference Dante's appearances in published literature, for example the Second War for Armageddon, where the other Space Marine commanders unanimously supported placing him in overall command thanks to his reputation

And that should be it. Sojourner001 (talk) 12:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)