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Categories for laws signed by Presidents

This is a thought I've had for a while. Is this project against categories being created for U.S. Presidents who have signed laws during their presidencies? A hypothetical category could be "Legislation signed by Barack Obama" or "Acts signed by Barack Obama". --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Turned this into an Rfc in case people hadn't seen this. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

• Question: Would you provide a brief neutral summary of any previous conflict over this issue? I'm unfamiliar with the situation, and would like to understand more. BusterD (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't think there was a conflict over this type of issue. But I'm basically asking if articles about U.S. federal legislation should be categorized by the respective President that signed the bill into law. For instance, laws signed by Barack Obama could be categorized under "Legislation signed by Barack Obama" or "Acts signed by Barack Obama". Or by some other naming format. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Given the lack of broader context I'm inclined to agree this seems an obvious sort of categorization. Such approvals define somewhat the office holders' tenure and performance. I'm not seeing an argument against it, but would be happy to be better informed. BusterD (talk) 20:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, this seems like a pretty uncontroversial change. WP:BEBOLD, if you see the niche. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

We could divide the main cats into a container category by what year the law was signed by which president. I think "Legislation signed by Barack Obama" as an example is probably the best way to name such categories. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't have any issues with the subject matter of legislation being signed by Presidents. It seems a monumental task as there are many Presidents and a lot of legislation. You would have to find reliable sources for each President. You would have to categorize each type of legislation signed and the dates of signing. Best of luck to you. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

This Rfc can be closed as there is consensus for my proposal for categorization. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

What's the point of presidential rankings?

The introduction for pretty much every Wikipedia page for a U.S. president cites a "survey of historians and scholars" that ranks the presidents.

• Why? Are these surveys really notable enough to be in the introduction of every president? I'm not a trained historian, but it seems kind of silly to me to "rank" presidents who lived in completely different eras and did completely different things in completely different contexts. Do historians really find these numbers useful?
• What should be done when rankings change? There's an ongoing dispute on the Andrew Jackson page about how to address the decline in Jackson's rankings. Is the point of the rankings to describe the current academic consensus, or to take a historiographical approach that charts a president's rankings over time?
• These rankings seem ripe for systemic bias. How do we address that? For example, Andrew Jackson played a major role in the ethnic cleansing of the United States, and the academic communities that formed in the resulting whites-only America are still mostly white. It strikes me as biased to describe Jackson's performance as "favorable" because a bunch of white academics ranked him high in "public persuasion," especially when he was persuading people toward racist policies and surveys of Black academics have ranked him as an "institutionally racist" "white supremacist." How can we better address this bias without making the introductions too bulky?

In my opinion, the best solution is to remove these rankings from all of the POTUS introductions and move them to the corresponding "Historical reputation" sections. FinnV3 (talk) 13:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, it above all else is used to demonstrate how high (or low) regard they're held in, though admittedly does take from a limited sample size. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's basically why. I have no strong opinion on whether they need to be in all the presidential lead sections, but the only reason why this is being brought up now is because FinnV3 was upset to see it mentioned that Andrew Jackson was ranked highly compared to other U.S. presidents. He tried to argue that he wasn't, but he had to concede when he was shown irrefutable evidence that he was. Now he is just trying to change the rules. Display name 99 (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Chill dude, what "rules" are you referring to? I don't think #22 really counts as "ranked highly compared to other U.S. presidents," especially when he's ranked sixth-to-last in "pursued equal justice for all." FinnV3 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Review: Andrew Jackson

I have nominated Andrew Jackson for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FinnV3 (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

GAR notice

Zachary Taylor has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)