Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force/Archive 1

|GGGS-task-force tag and category

I've made a project tag and category for the GG/GS task force all you have to do is add "|GGGS-task-force=yes" to the project tag on any article's talk page that pertains to GG/GS. So far I've added it to this page, GSUSA since it's an FA, and WAGGGS. This will automatically add it to the Category:Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force articles. The TF tag displays the WAGGGS logo, let me know if you want to change it. Rlevse 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged a bunch for you now, but more to go.Rlevse 22:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Goal and scope question

Cover girl-only specific topics or coed things like:

1. The coed Venturing program of BSA?
2. "The Scout and Guide Association of XYZ"?

Rlevse 22:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I propose this should be our scope:

This taskforce considers all articles involving Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting to be within its scope. This includes articles about mixed sex organisations and activities and articles where the subject or majority of subjects are/were male if Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting are/was involved, as well as female and female-only articles.

Since no one's objected, I've put this on the article page.Rlevse 16:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This means, or rather I intend this to mean, that we cover mixed and female-only organisations and events, and women and girls, plus any men (like Robert Baden-Powell) involved in Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting and even mostly male events where important Girl Guiding/Girl Scouting thing happened (like 3rd World Scout Jamboree). I'm not sure if articles like Brownsea Island Scout camp should be in or out.

I propose these should be our goals:

1. To increase the amount of accurate and well written information on Wikipedia about Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting.
2. To encourage equal participation of female and male editors in Wikipedia Scouting by being a presence for Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting.

I'm really not sure about 2. I have struggled to find a way of saying we're making women's things more visible in the hope that more women editors will join the whole project, without putting off men from contributing to this taskforce, or sounding like this is a women-only space and we don't want men around, or this is the only place women can contribute. A bit of a minefield! Kingbird 16:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I support the proposed goals - equal opportunities need sometimes clear words.

For first steps I'd like to propose:

• Get an overview over the GG/GS articles/contents here on Wikipedia. Category:Guiding doesn't show everything and has quite mixed contents.
• Define missing central articles/themes; eg. History of WAGGGS, its structures, ...
• Fix a lot of links, specially those linking to Girl Guides, a disambiguation page that should not be linked. Perhaps - but this is only my view - we need an introducing article on Guiding showing some of its special aspects? --jergen 21:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• I think if it's got a specific girl program or has a coed program and is scouting we should cover it in the taskforce. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 21:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I like Jergen's methodical approach. I will have a look at the categories and how they work together and come back with a suggestion - unless someone gets there first! (Please do if you want to). I think the proposed Guiding article is a good one, but perhaps should be called Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting. Kingbird 15:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion is to leave Girl Guides a dab page. Since the TF is "Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting", I vote for that name and make Guiding redirect there.Rlevse 16:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Rlevse and I have copied goals and scope I proposed to the task force's main page. I don't want to put anyone off from commenting or objecting by doing this. Please keep talking if you can make it better! Kingbird 17:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Biographies

What we might want to do is to work on biographies of women (and men) who have contributed to Girl Scouting/Guiding and develop a list of who should have biographies. I found the following Founding Women quite interesting though it is GSUSA specific (though some were heavily involved in the world organization). They have a list at the end of some significant women. This is apparently part of a patch program in the Patriot Trail Council [1]. --Erp 01:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree there is a need for more and better biographies. After all, an encyclopaedia is just the kind of place one looks for that kind of information. As you're interested, I'll start a suggestions list on the front page immediately. You can add to it people you know who are important. Jergen has suggested in the Goal and scope question thread that we try to define what articles and central themes are missing. If we develop a list of these, we can make sure the biographies list meshes with this. Kingbird 16:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

World Centres

The German Wikipedia appears to have reasonable size articles on the World Centres such as Our Chalet, Our Cabaña, Sangam World Girl Guide/Girl Scout Center (the only one with a reasonable size English wiki article), and Pax Lodge. Considering the role they play we might want to find a German speaker to translate the articles to the English wikipedia. Unfortunately my German is non-existent. --Erp 02:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Jergen, task force member, is German.Rlevse 02:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this huge hole. I find the lack of information on Wikipedia about such important Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting places embarrassing, especially as Gilwell Park has such a high quality article. Practically, there's lots of information out there, even just on the web, to get these articles off to a good start. Translation is fine, but I can't offer to do it. Kingbird 17:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Improve GG/GS related articles

1. I'd like to get Girl Guide and Girl Scout to GA status. But, I need someone more knowledgeable than I to help. The Boy Scout article is GA; so if one or more task force members could look at the Boy Scout article and mimic it, with appropriate changes, in the GG and GS article, that'd be a great start.
2. I've done a lot of work on Our Chalet. I've milked what I could from the web site and a few web sources. I ordered their book, which is how I got Gilwell Park to FA, and will improve it as much as possible. Rlevse 00:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I can work on the first one a bit before I go back to school on Sunday. It would be great to have other people work it with me though. Lets collaborate, who's up for it? Darthgriz⁹⁸ 18:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

But as for the Guiding part of the scouting, I am finding that I don't know as much about it. If anyone out there is a Guide or a former Guide, can you give me a hand? I also do not know much about British mechanics and grammar/spelling. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I can help with the British English - it's my main language. I usual refrain from posting about my offline life, but I suspect anyone who was bothered could work out quite a bit from my contributions anyway. I was a Guide in the UK as a youth participant. Nowadays, I live abroad and I'm an adult Girl Scout. It still looks weird writing that. I can't make any immediate contribution to the Girl Guide and Girl Scout article, but I'll check it out in the next week or two. Kingbird 19:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

WAGGGS members done

I finished today the last missing stub on a WAGGGS-member organization: Shoqata e Guidave dhe Scoutëve në Shqipëri. Next step is expanding these articles and referencing them. Well, not all are done, but all members on national level. Missing are some members of the federations, but that's the same situation with the WOSM members. -jergen 12:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You've put in a tremendous amount of work, with little fuss or fanfare. Thank you, Jergen. With Thinking Day just around the corner, I expect a lot of people will be looking for this information at the moment. Kingbird 06:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thinking Day on the GG&GS Task Force

It's only a month to Thinking Day, when WAGGGS members worldwide will be learning about Guiding and Girl Scouting in others countries. How about marking Thinking Day here on the Task Force? I suggest that everyone who wants to participate finds out one fact about Guiding/Girl Scouting in a country other than their own, and adds it to the relevant page. It could be as simple as "Brownies in Fairyland call their leader Tinkerbell". Longer contributions would be welcome too. We can keep a Thinking Day contributions list here on the task force talk page, so we can all share these special contributions. Is anyone interested? Any alternative activity suggestions? Kingbird 19:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Weel, World Thinking Day itself needs some more content... --jergen 19:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Good project idea for the task force.Rlevse 19:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. As there have been no opinions yet against the idea of marking Thinking Day on the Task Force, I will proceed. I suggest we incorporate Jergen's mention of the World Thinking Day page into the activity I suggested and ask people to consider contributing to it as well on Thinking Day. I'll create a thread for people to leave notice of their contributions and try to raise extra support, nearer the day. I'm just about to go off on a wikibreak, but any further suggestions and/or opinions are still welcome. Kingbird 21:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Studio 2B makeover

Studio 2B is undergoing maintenance and a complete makeover including a history section and a new image. Feel free to pitch in or add your two cents on what you think needs done yet. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 15:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Logo tag

I have been tagging the Girl Scout images under the task force. I thought you couldn't use logos on anything but the article due to copyright? Also, if you guys want, I can make a userbox to identify taskforce members for networking. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 15:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ask our image expert, User:BigDT about any image questions. Go for the userbox. See note on project talk about a project level PR.Rlevse 16:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Here it is:

This user is a member of the Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting Task Force.

I would like to use the WAGGGS logo or a similar one like we have on the girl scout userbox though I don't know how to change it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/GG/GS taskforce though like the other userboxes, does anyone know how to do this? Oh, never mind, I'll just move the page to the above link, I'm still new at templating, the experience is good for me. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 03:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

GSUSA levels

Is in the middle of a huge upgrade, please feel free to contribute if you can. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 04:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Our Chalet

Sorry my tasking and time on wiki has delayed this, but I have time, materials and images for this article now. I'll try to at least get it to GA.Rlevse 14:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm impressed by the length of article you've produced. Well done! Kingbird 20:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm nowhere near done, I'll put a note here when I'm done.Rlevse 20:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice so far then. Does need some pictures but that probably depends on a scout/guide who has visited giving some.--Erp 21:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I had Our Chalet send me a CD with pics, and can use them in this article under Fair Use. I'm trying to get them to agree to GFDL and their lawyer is actually looking at it, but I'm not holding my breath. If they release under GFDL, then we can use them in any article, not just ones that the pic directly applies to. The pics I have are lovely, I'll add them when I'm done with the writeup, probably a week or so, but that's just a guess.Rlevse 21:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Our Chalet update--WAGGGS still hasn't answered about the GFDL on all their images, so I've only put up 4, only the rope bridge one may have an FU issue. Also, I've uploaded and made infoboxes on all the world centers and their logos. If I were to review this for GA now, I'd say it needs more refs-esp non-WAGGGS ones, more activity and program info, maybe expand the lead, and more wikilinks. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. The book they sent only goes to 1999, so that's why there is no recent history.Rlevse 23:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I talked to GSUSA back over Thanksgiving break, and they still haven't gotten back to me about image use. So it might take awhile, in fact my local council never got back to me about a question I emailed to them about my Silver Award. The point is I wouldn't expect a speedy reply when dealing with the organization itself, if you do, please tell me how you did! Darthgriz⁹⁸ 00:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• GA status--I'm putting Our Chalet up for GA, though it has a chance of not making it. We'll see. Thanks to Kingbird for all her help.Rlevse 01:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA, listed as a project PR and a Wiki PR. Help if you can. Rlevse 12:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

GG/GS

I'm also trying to get Girl Guide and Girl Scout to GA. Please help there too.Rlevse 02:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

World Thinking Day

For World Thinking Day this year, the task force is encouraging everyone to find out something about Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting in a country other than their own, or about World Thinking Day itself, and add it to the relevant article. These contributions can be of any length and can be made on or about 22nd February.

So we can all share these special contributions, participants are encouraged to leave a short summary below. Kingbird 16:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• All youth sections of Guides New Zealand have their own mascots. Kingbird 16:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Girl Guides have two groups in Ireland under the same program: the Irish Girl Guides and the Catholic Girl Guides. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 21:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Our Cabaña celebrates its fiftieth anniversary this July. --Erp 01:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who took part in this Thinking Day activity. Kingbird 17:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oldest Living GSUSA Girl Scout

The subject of the oldest living GSUSA Girl Scout has been raised on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting. Comment is welcome (there, not here, to avoid confusion). Kingbird 04:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Scouting in <US State>

With the GSUSA council reorged well underway, I've started going through a few Scouting in <us state> articles and adding info. Few thoughts

• We need to add the taskforce to all these pages. I've done it for most of the ones I've edited
• We need to decide on a particular format to use.
  • Some pages already used green font for the Girl Scout heading. But some used that for other purposes (see Scouting in Georgia). Do we want to go with that or do something else?
  • I've tried including number of girl scouts, which counties, which camps (and a brief bit about camps), web page, headquarter location (some of that was already there).
  • In general for realigned councils. I've made the new council a subheading under Girl Scouting, listed the old councils, listed date of merge (either past or future). Note that in some cases the merge has happened but the new council does not yet have a web page so keeping the old council web pages around is a necessity.
• The articles generally start with a history section, but this section is BSA specific. Do we relabel it as BSA History in the state and have a second section on GSUSA history in the state or do we merge the GSUSA history with the GSUSA history.

I've also discovered that some councils cross more than one state (and in at least one case has parts of five different states, see Five Star Council Scouting in Texas). Generally the individual pages go by headquarter location. A nifty idea would be to have a map of the state showing where the councils are. Ideally we should do that with svg maps; however, I'm not aware of any such with country map outlines (not that all councils follow county outlines but it would help). I've been playing around with Inkscape and the maps from libremap; since, that has maps that are (a) open for use and (b) has county lines. Unfortunately the lines aren't closed paths so don't fill easily. --Erp 02:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as maps, check out Scouting in South Carolina. Admittedly I may have to convert to PNG format and it is still rough but I think it gives a better concept of councils than text alone. --Erp 00:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the map helps clarify the text. If it's not too late to give my opinions on some of the other points you mentioned, I'm not that keen on the use of coloured headings in any situation on wikipedia. Regarding the history section problem, I think that if an existing history section only covers the BSA, then it should be moved to a subsection of the BSA section. Then each organisation (don't forget, it's not just BSA and GSUSA) has its own history section. I suspect that there are people who contribute to the BSA side but don't read the task force's talk, who might like a say. Kingbird 15:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Canning the green sounds like an idea. I'll see if I can get a discussion on an individual state page--Erp 23:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Silver Fish or Top WAGGGS award

I've added this as a discussion item on talk:Silver Fish. I need some ideas.--Erp 23:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Selected bio

Can people pitch in and help beef up the Juliette Gordon Low article, especially the lead? I want to make it the selected biography for June. Thanks. Rlevse 10:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

As pictures taken by the US Federal Government are not copyrighted, I've been hunting for useful ones of Girl Scouts (USA). Following are some links to some possible pictures to snarf

• Girl Scouts delivering cookies to an underwater habitat from a NOAA publication
• Guam Girl Scouts from a National Park Service publication
• I would love to use this cartoon unfortunately it is copyrighted by the Washington Post
• Girl Scouts building model rockets at NASA and more Girl Scouts at NASA (the latter has a good view of uniforms)
• snake handling Girl Scouts at the USGS

I found these by doing a google image search for "girl scouts" and "site:gov" Are any of these possible for any articles?

Edith Macy Conference Center

Can anyone spare some time to help with a new article on the Edith Macy Conference Center. Most urgently, could someone go through and check it's all good American English? The article needs quite a bit more information too. If someone has a book, that would be great! Kingbird 20:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Guide laws need help (done)

Gadget850 ( Ed) was able to extract for us the text of several Guide laws, from

• http://www.worldguiding.net/languageB.pdf
• http://www.worldguiding.net/languageEFG.pdf
• http://www.worldguiding.net/languageLMN.pdf
• http://www.worldguiding.net/languageSTUV.pdf

but in conversion the text didn't come through in the proper language characters. Can someone help clean these up before we put them into the articles?

I exspect here are still lots of typing errors, but it is much beter now. --Egel _Reaction? 09:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Would have been easier to extract them directly from the new edition of Trefoil around the World - part of them is outdated, others contain many faults due to bad OCR. --jergen 17:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force/Laws and Promises --jergen 18:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The whole text is checked and can now be included into the various articles. --jergen 08:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant! That was a lot of work, folks. Well done. Kingbird 16:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Brownies

Can someone (a admin?) take a look at Brownie (Girl Guides), User:WOBBLEMAN (and User:88.108.95.228) is trying to make a mess out of it. --Egel _Reaction? 11:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admim, but I'll try to help. Thanks for flagging this up. Kingbird 17:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Can fix. Are there any Brownie groups with boys?Rlevse 18:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Between several of us this has been fixed.Rlevse 18:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Motto

All these mottos need moved off to some sort of "ToDo" page, it was too long and out of scope of a talk page.Rlevse 18:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. --jergen 18:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Where's the page. Pls provide link. Rlevse 18:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

AH, found it by looking at your contribs: Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force/Laws and Promises Rlevse 20:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Was marked above (#Guide laws need help). --jergen 06:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing Girl Scout and Girl Guide national emblems

There is no point in listing "Scouting in Vatican City" in this section. No emblem there :-)

--Lou Crazy 00:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)