Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Archive 1

Page set up

Dr. Blofeld set up the page earlier today, but nothing is set in stone. Feel free to edit it as you see fit. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

How to proceed

Conversation partially moved from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/TRANSWIKI

• What is the next step? I already have a category to nominate for transwiki-ing that will have no problems with notability: Catégorie:Château français. These castles in France are nearly guaranteed to be interesting historic monuments, there are a lot of them that have no article in the English Wikipedia, there is a French Wikiproject for them, and there are a lot of photos of them in the commons. Their category tree is well-developed. Additionally, they will present some problems/challenges for us that will be inevitable if the project expands, so we should cut our teeth on them early. Should we make a trial run with just one category? Abductive (talk) 04:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think a trial run with one category is a wise way to start. As you say, we will encounter some problems, and figure out how to deal with them. At most we could do one category from two or three different WPs - say your French châteaux, and something equivalent from the German? We should walk before we try to run. LadyofShalott 04:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The category from the German Wikipedia should present a different class of problems; maybe be less well-supported and uneven. How about something like Kategorie:Militärperson (Preußen)?. These Prussian military officers are all dead (I found one that made it to 1970), since Prussia ceased to exist quite some time ago. Abductive (talk) 04:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Page has been started at Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI. I like that as a logo.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been meaning to transwiki museums from the es wiki for awhile. I'd like to nominate the museums of Asturias as one of the inaugural transwiki categories under the new TRANSWIKI wikiproject. There are 41 articles at Categoría:Museos de Asturias on the es wiki which would populate Category:Museums in Asturias under the parent category of Category:Asturian culture. At present, only 1 of the 41 Asturian museums with articles on the es wiki have an article on the en wiki. Regarding these museums, there are 10 Asturian museum articles on the AST wiki; there is 1 article on the fr wiki; and 1 article on the catalan wiki. Any thoughts? --Rosiestep2 (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Rosie check out Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI. The idea is that all the article missing from any category on a foreign wiki is generated by a bot. Given time this would be listed as
Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/Spanish/Culture/Asturias/Museums something like that, do you follow? SO there would be a highly organized directory by language. Each language section of the project is intended to function as asor of taskforce of the main project. Each language wiki is intended to have its own bank of articles organized in sub pages in the manner above. Once the lists are drawn up by bot they can be sorted and the bot can be used to start some and people can work towards them manually too. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

@Blofeld, I looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI before making the above post, and there were only red links. Though there's talk about bot generated lists in above conversations, I didn't realize that's set in stone, that we're waiting for bot generated lists, and the wikiproject's talk page doesn't have any info. What about an editor generating a list? Also, strongly agree with Abductive and LadyofShalott that we should walk before we run -- start small -- so we can work on issues that are bound to arise. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I've started Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/German. You get the idea? In the missing article directory there will be the sub pages by main topic and then sub ordered and propbably sub ordered again by topic in a chain down way e.g Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/German/Geography/Lakes of Germany and Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/German/Geography/Mountains of Swizterland etc. So the Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/German/Geography page would list all of the sub topics and then the lists would be generated on a further sub page as shown above. I will now emulate this layout for the other main wikipedias to get us started, I think we should concentrate on the main wikis at present. I doubt welsh wikipedia for instance is first priority of translating decent content. Now we need to discuss how we go about using a bot to copy categories from another wikipedia and use them to generate organized lists by topic in our project space. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Marketing the wikiproject

Can we get a bot to invite foreign language speakers? Lots of editors have a Babel box and they'd be a great target for a mass invite. We'll need a spiffy invite template. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I've started sending out invitations to wikiproject translation members. The sad thing is most people don't stay on wikipedia, so many dead accounts. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

• There are 3224 editors at Category:User de-N, 2122 at Category:User es-N, 1994 at Category:User fr-N, etc. What about notifying them? I'd be glad to jump on this, but I'm looking for feedback first. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Invitation template

The invitation's header would read: Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI. Here's Draft1 of an invite template. Its wording is credited to Blofeld; background color, font color, and logo mirror the project page.

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the sub language project of your choice. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from other wikipedias by language and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge between other wikipedias. Look foward to seeing you on the (add specific language) team.

--Rosiestep (talk) 22:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good! Obviously thought you'd have to link the project. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yes, the thing is though a lot of people are not active on here. The best thing would be to use a bot to message all of them or get somebody to sent them invitations using AWB. They don't even have to be native speakers but have a reasonable understanding that means there are thousands of potential members. Evne if we only come away with 50 contribtors by the end of it this will be a big progress. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) If the template's background is blue, the project link within the template doesn't show up well, which is why I was hoping a link in the header only would suffice. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's Draft2. I'm not the template guru, so looking for assistance with moving the logo to the right (or left) and having the wording wrap around it to minimize space. The width is now at 70% which accomodates 4 lines of text. If we can do the wrap text around logo, then I'd recommend increasing width to 75% or 80%, whatever it takes so that the wording doesn't go into a 5th line.

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the sub language project of your choice. The aim of WikiProject TRANSWIKI is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from other wikipedias by language and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge between other wikipedias. Look foward to seeing you on the (add specific language) team.

--Rosiestep (talk) 22:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

What about this version? Is that what you were trying for? Minus the fact that the background color isn't the same... -Yupik (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yupik, I really like your #3 template as it most closely replicates the project main page. I've got a participant's userbox in the works. After I post it, take a look at those colors and see what you think... and should we tweak either the invite template vs. the userbox to match each other. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Signpost

I'll notify Phoebe at the Signpost later this month after she returns from Wikimania that this project is up and running. This will give the project some time to gain traction. Maybe the Signpost can do a little blurb? Commonly, they like to interview a representative from the subject wikiproject. Blofeld, would you be agreeable? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Haven't time for interviews, too much work to be done... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Naming conventions and redirects from the original language name

Just a reminder to be aware of MOS:NAME. An article coming in from a foreign language wiki may need translation/renaming at the en wiki. For example, some of the museums at Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/Spanish/Culture/Museums should be translated/renamed, such as Archaeological Museum of Asturias vs. Museo Arqueológico de Asturias. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

That would have to be done manually I think. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, some titles will need manual translation. We'll have to add a step for that I think. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

We should have redirects from the original language name to the articles of any whose titles get translated to English. LadyofShalott 15:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with LadyofS. I've added it into this header as I think it's important. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Multilingual translation projects

Good project; thanks for starting it! A while back I started keeping a list of Sámi-related articles that needed translating as they're missing out of the en-wiki. The list can be found at User:Yupik/To Do and include articles in both Norwegian versions, Finnish, Swedish, and Northern Sámi. So in that sense, this list doesn't quite fit anywhere under the specific languages listed on this project's main page. But please do feel free to come help us (or basically me nowadays) translate these articles! Thanks :) -Yupik (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added Northern Sami to the list of languages. Unfortunately I don't speak it but hopefully we can attract members from smaller language groups as well. I know from personal experience that working alone in an area with few native speakers on Wikipedia can be very difficult. I also think it's worth noting that we need translators as well as proof readers. People should join even if they don't have the time or skills to translate an entire article by themselves. If we can get some cross-border Scandinavian collaboration going then that would be great as well. For example, some topics related to Denmark are actually better covered on the larger Scandinavian Wikipedias. Vyvyan Basterd (talk) 11:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not sure how many people we could drum up for that language, since the NS wiki is pretty dead. As for Denmark and other Scandinavian wikis, some of the best articles on municipalities in Finnish Lapland are on the Basque wiki! -Yupik (talk) 18:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Importing the source page's edit history

I'm not sure about other translators here, but I often translate articles by using more than one page as some of the wikis concentrate more on one portion of a subject than another. How would we be able to reflect the use of more than one source language in the edit history if we were to import those? -Yupik (talk) 20:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah sure, that's what makes articles is tronger if using different sources. Of course the translation project encourages translation to be done with also finding reliable sources to support content. Welcome aboard! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! And for what it's worth, they're pretty anal retentive about citing info on the Finnish wiki (even ministubs seem to be sourced), so if anyone is up for learning Finnish to help out, please do :D -Yupik (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Participant userbox

Here's Userbox Draft1. I think the wording should be centered... if you agree, can someone fix that?

This user is a member of WikiProject TRANSWIKI.

--Rosiestep (talk) 00:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

• Looks good Rosie! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I tweaked the text (centered) and logo size (made it smaller) in the finalized version. The member's Userbox, {{Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/Userbox}}, can now be found on the project's main page in the Templates section. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This is turning into Wikipedia:WikiProject Echo

Folks, this is not Wikipedia:WikiProject Echo, where they harvest information and citations from better developed articles in other languages for already existing articles here. We are looking for missing articles. WikiProject Echo already has templates for requesting translations, pointing out better articles in other Wikipedias, et cetera. Also, the project is not ready for inviting people to join yet. Abductive (talk) 00:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree - let's not go crazy with the invites, as we aren't really all setup yet. If people join and find there is nothing to do (yet) they might never contribute. By all means invite people who can help with the building process, but its not tiem to recruit actual translators yet. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think we should get set up first, set up the languages and at least list some missing articles article first before we sent out invitations enmasse. I notified a few translators yesterday but nothing major yet. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Also there's a list of probably important missing articles with at least three interwiki links from fr, de, and es Wikipedias under Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles already, though the lists will be somewhat out of date. Fences&Windows 13:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the fact that we're to some extent reinventing the wheel suggests that greater cooperation and linking between these interrelated WikiProjects is needed. Fences&Windows 13:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Aye. Abductive (reasoning) 13:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I know about these attempts before. The idea was to invigorate it into a new project which remains active and updated. Calliopjen and I overhauled the WP:Translation on here several months ago into the categories and tags you now see. Echo literally gave up on a lot of their duties and their scheme was way off what we are doing. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The idea behind WikiProject Echo was okay, but in my experience just now with transwiki-ing Jakob von Washington from the German Wikipedia, I had to give up on using their sources and do my own research. The hard part is trying to figure out which facts the sources are pointing to, in a machine translated text. I believe that finding topics is the cool part of this project; why on Earth didn't the English Wikipedia have an article on a notable European relative of George Washington? Abductive (reasoning) 13:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It's because of systematic bias and a part of the reason why I joined this project. I've had the same experience with an article on the German Wikipedia that I'm trying to turn into a decent article here. I can read and understand the articles and sources without a translator but it's still nearly impossible without doing my own research. I've found in the past that using content from several Wikipedias can be helpful so that's one way to proceed. Vyvyan Basterd (talk) 14:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome template

Here's a Draft welcome template {{WikiProject TRANSWIKI welcome}} intended for the talk page of new members. It incorporates the project's colors and logo. Please comment here, or just BE BOLD and edit it yourself. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Transwiki

Beg your pardon, but what? This is the "discussion" I get about what to do regarding the similar name of this proposed project and the existing WP:WikiProject Transwiki? -- Ned Scott 07:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

• Maybe they should call in WikiProject Cis]Wiki. Or WikiProject WikiTrans. 24.211.35.72 (talk) 07:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Project's name change

It was a bit disconcerting to see a project name change overnight without at least 24 hours notice of a proposed name change and some discussion here, on the project talk page. I found some discussion on Ned Scott's talk page, and maybe there's more of it somewhere else, but I don't feel like digging for it. Mind you, I wasn't enamored with the original project name, TRANSWIKI, but as a courtesy to those who've started work on project templates and have written articles within the scope of the project, it would have been nice to be in the loop. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it was done without any consensus and rather rudely. I agree with the change, because of the confusion with the other project but I am not happy with the way he ignored project members either. Well he has at least done a good cleanup transfer job at least. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I feel bad for the way I acted that night. Allow me to make up for it by offering any assistance I might be able to provide to help this Project grow. -- Ned Scott 02:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I understand it was done in good faith but you did seem a little hasty. I would welcome you aboard the project. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Help need in setting up the pages

You know that somebody else can help me start the pages. All you need is to copy and paste and change the relative details.

For instance what is stopping anybody copying this and starting the French geographical equivalent or any other geographical equivalent. All that needs doing is minimal, just change the language and code of speaker. e.g bs to fr and save.

Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't have much time until Saturday but I've set aside some time during the weekend to create the subpages for the Danish and Norwegian Wikipedias and populate the lists of missing articles. This won't be hard because I already have a reasonable idea of where to start; it just takes time which I don't have until then. Vyvyan Basterd (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Hokay. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The idea is that soon enough they begin to be populated like Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Slovenian/Culture. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added Open tasks to the project page to articulate what needs to be done, particularly now at project start-up. I've added some additional headers to the project page, plus the standard wikipedia project template. I changed the project's blue box from 250px to 200px -- it seems big enough to me, but you can revert that if you disagree. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

exporting pages to other languages?

Is there a project or some templates to transwiki non-English articles off English Wikipedia and onto some other language version? 76.66.193.221 (talk) 05:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Google translate

Should there be a link to Google translate (or similar tools) in such a page ([1])? After all, the quality of machine translation is notoriously low... Wouldn't it be better to discourage the use of such tools? --Martynas Patasius (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really.Well it is the best translation tool on the web. Might be bad for language like Finnish but for French, Spanish and Russian it is actually generally very good to understand. I've actually translated many articles using google translate and my intermediate level of understanding and my dictionary and I according to those who have proof read some of my translileraitons I've mostly been correct. Personally I'd rather see a link to the wikiproject.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Theres a big danger with using google translate directly as in any software. The context of something can be seriously altered. What i think would be nice is some kinda how-to essay for things to check if you use the feature for your translating. Like a lil checklist. I dont think it needs to be discouraged, just needs to be emphasiezed not to take the translation literally when your using it(google translator). Just a thought Ottawa4ever (talk) 16:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Personally I dislike Google Translate so much that I had deleted it off the Finnish subpage for this project. -Yupik (talk) 19:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

OCRs

I dont know if this is very useful, but another translating tool aid ive been using in combination with google translate for old books in other languages is an OCR (Optical character recognition). It may be useful down the line if someones interested in verifying some of the sources for inclusion (ie a featured article from another languaged wikipedia that relies heavily on a published book or old journal article). Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

"How this project works" section added

I have added a longish section on how I envision this project working. Take a look and see what you think. Feel free to modify as you see appropriate.

I will start laying the foundation to put these ideas into practice over the next several days as long as everyone is seeing eye-to-eye on this.

Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Which of these quantitative attributes that might be indicators of a foreign article's quality are easiest for a bot to capture? Which are more difficult? Impossible? Poor indicators?
  • Article length
  • Number of edits in history
  • Number of unique editors
  • Age of article
  • Number of ref tags
  • Number of images
  • Number of articles it links to
  • Number of articles linked to it
  • Number of interwiki links
  • Number of external links
  • Existence of talk page
  • Length of talk page
  • Wikiproject banner(s) on talk page
  • Article assessment
  • Page views (monthly, overall?)
  • Other

I think that a few of these would be sufficient for our purposes. Personally, I would like attributes that would work with no need to investigate and decipher the practices on each foreign Wikipedia. Abductive (reasoning) 06:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I would personally support something which draws up an entire list of missing articles from the other wikipedias. Then manually editors check for suitability and then they are started. That would work best I think. There will be many articles on other wikipedias which most certianly should have articles on here bu the articles will be too poor to translate. Those should be highlighted and then started maybe manually using sources from eslewhere to make it valid. So basically I think the bot should create lists of ALL missing articles and then they be sorted according to referencing later. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I will be very disappointed if this is the design of the bot. Abductive (reasoning) 22:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on that Abductive? An aside, but that kind of list would be good for catching the missing iw problems for languages that fall outside of the Indo-European group of languages. -Yupik (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Having a bot go through and make us a list all articles that don't have an en interwiki link is just the first step. But trying to categorize them requires mapping the articles onto a category tree, which I'm sure is problematic. Consider that the categories aren't going to be the same ones we use, even if they were they aren't going to map onto our tree. Worse, the category tree is braided; how will a bot decide which category takes precedence? Maybe the bot can simply report the first five categories appearing in the article? But for sure the bot can do simple things like count the number of times the string "<ref" appears in an article. By reporting a select few of the things I suggest above, we can discover rich veins of articles to transwiki. If the bot just gives us a massive list, then people have to go through the list (what, alphabetically?), figure out what the topic is and then translate. This is inefficient. I envision the bot returning a sortable table of articles, with columns for the first five (or more) categories in the article, and as many of the above metrics the bot can be easily designed to collect. Abductive (reasoning) 14:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The ref count would actually be quite a good way of counting sourced articles! Beautiful! That still leaves us with the prob though if the refs are bs, as they tend to be in some articles. That should, however, be a minor prob compared to finding sourced articles. -Yupik (talk) 17:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Transwikied article on DYK

An article on Jakob von Washington that I found on the German Wikipedia and translated for this project is now appearing on the Main Page in the Did you Know? column. Here is what it looks like on the German Wikipedia; de:Jakob von Washington. I've got more references than they do. Abductive (reasoning) 02:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Saint-Gilles-Croix-de-Vie, which Drmies and I expanded from a one-sentence substub using info from the frwiki article, is in the queue for DYK. LadyofShalott 03:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added a history section, need help completing it though. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Noirmoutier-en-l'Île ‎ is also waiting for DYK. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on Jakob von Washington becoming this project's first DYK? article, and for getting Noirmoutier-en-l'Île ‎ into the queue! I've added headers on the project page for DYK, FA, and GA articles so we can keep track of these accomplishments. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Der arme Heinrich was also translated afew weeks back, exactly what needs doing on here... Himalayan 08:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Strategic proposal

I've made a related proposal at the Wikimedia strategic planning project: Interlanguage reunification. Comments welcome there.--Kotniski (talk) 07:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

This is EXACTLY how I feel about the situation. We should be one project. What is happening at present isn't going to work in the long run because of the uneveness. Some wikipedias will always be better than others. We seriously need to do something about the translation on here. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely, but I don't know what can be done. Maybe when people click on a redlink, if another Wikipedia has an article on it, a little link could be there, saying "it appears an article by this title exists on the German [or whichever] Wikipedia. Click here to view it." Abductive (reasoning) 11:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Challenges

For people who really feel that they have nothing to do (;)), this project usually has something on it that needs translating. Right now, I've been translating the LunEur material from the Italian wiki, but help is always appreciated ;D -Yupik (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Need a list of all non-English without English interwiki

Hello, I need a (continuously or from time to time) bot generated list, that should contain all articles about gastropods from non-English wikipedias (see interwiki of Category:Gastropods) that have no English interwiki. Then we (WikiProject Gastropods members) can write also such articles on English wikipedia. Is there already such robot or is this task solved in other way already? --Snek01 (talk) 12:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Bot for your benefit

After a (few) request(s) from User:Himalayan Explorer, I have built a bot to find pages on other language Wikipedias that do not exist on en.wiki. Since this is designed to benefit this project above all others, I need some feedback at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot 3 for the task to be approved by the Bot Approvals Group. Fritzpoll (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Slight change of plan. Given the sheer amount of manual monitoring and work that would be need to create a directory by topic Fritzpoll Bot will now create an A-Z directory using the category indexes of each wikipedia in alpha order and list the missing articles in each one. While this may make it more difficult for editors who want to find a specific subject they are interested in, the categories will still be displayed on each and similar subject articles by listed under them together. This new development may also mean we may need to scrap the original project topic divisions and just simply have a page listing the pages for the missing directory. The main page of each language project then can deal with the category subjects as can project members when they start articles and may add an expand language tag and tag it with the appropriate subject.. Himalayan 13:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Another DYK article resulting from this wikiproject

Pinacoteca Eduardo Úrculo.--Rosiestep (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Added this and others mentioned above to the projects main page. Well done :) Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Translation project

User:Proteins and I are in contact with a technology company that wishes to use some software it has developed that is a kind of graphic interface for translators to increase the amount of health-related information in developing-world language Wikipedias. Since this is quite a large company, this project might eventually cover many languages, but we are thinking about starting off small at around five (eg transferring content from the English to the Swahili Wikipedia is one leading option). The real work will be in developing a community of translators and bilingual experts in each destination language, and the company is willing to help with this as well, but at our end we will need to provide a list of articles on "essential health information", internationalize these as much as possible, and polish them a bit. This proposal is still in its initial stage, but could people who would be interested in participating sign up here. Thank you Tim Vickers (talk) 17:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Utilise resources/info/individuals from older inactive project.

For reference regarding the translation of French articles to English, this page: [[ ]] might be of some use (maybe there can be an eventual redirect and all the useful info from that page can be placed under the French section of this project. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 06:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

How do you upload a translated article?

I have had the English language article 'Declaration on the Elimination of Violence Against Women' translated into Portuguese by a friend of mine. She finds it hard to edit Wikipedia and I can't read Portuguese. Is there any way I can upload the translated text to the Portuguese wikipedia? Or is there anybody willing to do it for me? Many thanks Martlayton 20:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martlayton (talk • contribs)

This particular project is actually dedicated to translating content from other wikipedias into ENglish, not vice versa. Try google translate into pPortuguese and copy edit it after wards and save it on Portuguese wikipedia but remember to indicate the source for GFDL purposes Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyone?

Is there anyone who can create the bot needed now when fritzpoll is gone? Djacku (talk) 15:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? I was planning on writing a bot for this project ages ago, but thankfully Frtizpoll was available to write in first so everyone didn't have to wait on my slow butt... Will Fritz's bot no longer be available in the near future or something? --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

It looks like User:Fritzpoll have left Wikipedia =( Djacku (talk) 18:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Fritz has left wikipedia for certain reasons and will sadly not be returning. If you like Thaddeus I can email him and ask him to give you the bot script to continue to download the lists from the others wikis. So far he has done Faroes and Albania and they look good.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

How does it go? I'm eager to start working on this project, it is a great idea which I hope will not fizzle out! Djacku (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, nothings stopping you from transwikiying articles from other wikipedias. Any language you'll find articles on other wikis that can be started in english. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Comp

FYI, {{Comp}} has been nominated for deletion. 65.94.253.16 (talk) 06:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Medicine and molecular cellular biology Wikiprojects announce collaboration with Google.org

Announcement of the first stages of a project to peer-review, improve and translate medical and biology articles so that material can be transferred from the English Wikipedia to other Wikipedias that are written in languages used in developing world. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Iw

FYI, {{Iw}} has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.210.155 (talk) 04:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Great idea

This sounds like a great idea! Any progres in creating the bot? Maybe ask at WP:BOTR? 85.11.25.101 (talk) 12:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Our translation templates up for deletion

One of the most important tools of the project is up for deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Expand_language . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Blofeld (talk • contribs) 10:00, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Missing pages

I have been pointed in the direction of this WikiProject. You may be interested to know that using WP:AWB I today scanned of all the Scots wikipedia articles and created a list of Scots articles not linked to the English wikipedia. If there is more requirements for similiar things then perhaps they may be of interest to WP Intertranswiki members. Anyone can use AWB and do this task. With Wiki's that have lots of articles, like the German Wikipedia, it is so big a task that it's beyond the time requirements of one person, but there is no reason they can't be broken into more suitable sized chunks of upto 15,000 articles at a time. An example of a chunk was this list which was done for WP:TURTLES. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 19:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Related page - your help is needed

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but wp:Local Embassy needs a bit of attention from multilingual users. Despite its confusing name, the page exists to help non-English users visiting :en to find other speakers of their language who are willing to help them cope with language issues. Please consider participating there too. Even if you do not wish to be an ongoing participant, please take a moment to ensure that your language-section has a section header such as this one:

français (fr)

Ces gens peuvent vous assister en français ici sur le Wikipédia anglais:

Thank you for helping out. LeadSongDog come howl! 02:53, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Intertranswiki at Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Possible expansion of scope?

One of the more annoying things I have found in going through the Lindsay Jones Encyclopedia of Religion to assemble a list of PD sources cited in the various article bibliographies there is the rather annoying number of foreign-language sources included in some of the article bibliographies which do not have English translations indicated, indicating at least to me that those sources may never have been translated into English. If that is so, then it might be very useful to maybe include translation of foreign PD sources which could be perhaps added to one of the sister WMF entities and then perhaps have those translations used in developing the related content here. John Carter (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's a good idea, but the problem is getting people actively working with it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I will, ultimately, try to get the page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Library a bit more complete in its listing of the PD sources included in the bibliography of that reference work. But it does seem to me that for at least some of the various indigenous religious traditions, like one in northern Russia whose name I can't remember right now, it may well be that most if not all of the available sources are in foreign languages, other than a few encyclopedia articles. John Carter (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

This sounds like the sort of thing (not just in religion, but other fields as well) that might make for an interesting academic project to suggest...surely there are some schools/classes that would enjoy tackling a project like this? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:49, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Going through the bibliographies of default reference works, like the Eliade/Jones Encyclopedia of Religion, unfortunately is maybe one of the most dreary things imaginable. Finding classes who would like to translate works would be a huge boon to us, and I would love to maybe get a few more people involved in the education project doing translations, particularly of the works which are cited most frequently. And some of them are cited rather frequently. Once the basic list is assembled, I'm going to do a separate ranking of the most frequently mentioned ones, and add them to commons and wikisource if they're English. And then I'll let the education noticeboard know about it too. I'd love to see some interest there, but, even without it, if we have someone who can even just read them, we'll maybe have quite a few more articles included in the standard reference sources that we don't yet have today. John Carter (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Least developed nations

On a related note John Carter, you've done a fair bit of starting off country wikiprojects and tagging articles, I wondered if you could somehow do a quick scan and tell me which countries have the least articles on them, and the least articles on buildings and structures?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean counties or territories? And the basic question of whether buildings and structures are notable would also have to be addressed. I am not at all sure, for instance, how many really notable buildings there are in the Falkland Islands, and maybe a bit more sure about how many there are in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, which is probably few if any. I tend to think Niue and Western Sahara are probably among the least developed content, and from what I remember of a few years ago the Central Asian countries at that time tended to be rather weakly covered. And I have a feeling that some subnational entities, like Idaho and Wyoming, probably have comparatively weak coverage as well, although that is just a guess.

It might certainly be possible to request the development of a bot which could generate a central list of the number of real articles, not counting categories, redirects, and the like, tagged by individual WikiProjects. But it would probably need to have some sort of defined parameters of which WikiProjects to include and not include in the final list. John Carter (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of the subnational entities - I know from working over at WP:NRHP that South Dakota is pretty poorly covered in a lot of respects. And I seem to recall feeling that way about North Dakota, too. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:02, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Any. Ser, didn't we once have a list on countries and building and structure stubs and what needed the most?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

It would be possible to try to develop a few pages for WP:MEA based on the more recent or most exhaustive reference works on specific areas, or, at least, the best sources which might be available to some of us anyway. There won't likely be individual ones on individual US states in many cases, but I think that there are at least regional reference sources on them. And I think that for most of them there will also be a few historical sources available at archive.org which could at least provide some basic information. John Carter (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Stub Focus of the Week

Started here. Calliopejen1 might be interested in creating some stubs on Paraguayan women towards this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to help out a bit with the Paraguayans which is more in line with the translation emphasis on the project. I hope we can aim for at least start class rather than just stubs. Might take quite a while to cover 20 new topics in any detail.--Ipigott (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The idea is raw article creation, given the millions of articles from missing wikipedias. Of course start class articles are great, but this is more a stub building exercise. Of course we don't want them to all be one liners though.The Niue ones I created are shorter than I'd normally consider ideal because I couldn't find much on most of them, I thought it was valuable at least starting of a series on Niue mythology. The remaining five articles some meaty stubs to start class entries. If you think you can contribute a few start class articles to each one though that's great! Dr. Blofeld 15:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I've had a quick look at the Scandinavian churches. It's certainly a deserving topic. Although I appreciate the effort W.carter has put into compiling an initial list of churches in Sweden, I think perhaps experts such as Yakikaki might be able to advise on where we should be concentrating out efforts. There are many really noteworthy Swedish churches with both an interesting architectural history and fine interior features. While some of those now in the list certainly deserve inclusion, several do not seem sufficiently noteworthy for coverage in the EN wiki. J 1982 might also have suggestions for new articles on churches as well as priorities for expansion of the many stubs on Swedish churches he has contributed over the past few month. Hope I'm not pouring cold water onto a hot new initiative — I just think we should make sure we are spending our time on the most deserving articles.--Ipigott (talk) 16:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott:Sorry about not listing "the most deserving", I did not know the project had an hierarchy, I just listed some close to my heart. I thought that any suggestion was good enough to start with. They were just suggestions, please feel free to delete some or all. :) I'll leave this to the rest of you experts in the future and crawl back to articles about my little island. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 16:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, having spent several months working hard on quality to produce quality articles on deserving subjects I'm returning to stubbing and trying to make things a little fun. Thanks for adding the Swedish churches! Obviously we want to avoid one liners but stubs with a few sourced facts which have some value are worth it. We could always go for 5 start class articles for each one instead of 20 stubs, but I think that takes the fun out of it. There should be no compulsion to have to make them start class, even if long term they're more useful. Still, if we could aim to produce 3-5 start class or lengthier stubs articles and the rest stubs that would be something. The start class articles can be emboldened on the list I guess. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Check out some of the Paraguayan stubs I created, that's the sort of length stub generally I advise. Those are useful, even if mostly not quite start class. As I say the Niue ones were only very stubby because I couldn't find much on them! The industries could probably have more written about them, as well as the memorial.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I looked at the Paraguayans yesterday. You did a good job in selecting them. They all appear to be good candidates for the EN wiki. If I find time to spend on them (after working on Carl Nielsen), I would prefer to aim for start class articles or at least meaty stubs. As they are ladies, one we create an article, we are likely to have assistance from several other editors. I always like to work beyond simple translations to include content from a range of sources - but that's my personal choice. Apologies to W.carter. I was probably a bit hasty in my comments, especially if the churches he selected were of particular importance to him. It just seemed to me that if we are hoping to widen the project and increase participation, it would be worthwhile spending a bit of time and effort on selecting red links which really deserve our attention. I could try to assist along these lines if others agree with my approach.--Ipigott (talk) 07:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I can't see many people who are going to participate in this long term. I think most of us prefer to do our own thing. Perhaps ten articles for a topic would be an easier target to reach? I don't want this to see like a burden or too much hard work, just a bit on the side to have a wildly different topic focus and then have a log to look back over what we've achieved. I think I'll shorten it to 10 articles, keep things sharp and allow us to quickly move onto other topics without getting bored. Should we quickly reach the target before others have had a chance to contribute they can add a few more, so set limit. Some input, particularly from Ipigott and Rosiestep would be good here on what to do.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:05, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

At the rate Dr. Blofeld is creating stubs, ten a week looks rather too modest to me. Ten a day would be more like it! Arbustum who has just joined could no doubt make up a list based on his red-linked Polish castles while SusunW might be inspired to provide lists of Mexican or South American cultural topics or biographies. It might be useful to have a separate page for compiling new lists (or suggesting topics) and possibly planning a schedule with specific dates or deadlines.--Ipigott (talk) 10:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, yes, the idea is more every couple of days. I say a minimum of 10 and however many we feel like doing. Actually I was thinking of Polish castles or Mexican haciendas next!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I think it's also good to have red links in a range of languages sitting on the front page so that anyone can come along and find a task suited for their specific language knowledge (I know there are sub-pages, but hiding things away seems counter productive when we're restarting a new project). Furius (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and also a very broad range of topics to appeal to different people. As diverse as we can get towards addressing systematic bias. Also it builds up to something of esteem, to have a log of the range of topics we've covered and what has been started, and also gets editors interested in working in areas/countries they previously not might have. Great work so far Furius!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I am partial to start class articles so that I don't have to remember to go back and do them, before someone marks them for deletion. I did two of the Paraguyans and because Mabel Arcondo would have been an orphan, I also did an article on Museo del Barro, which apparently linked to a bunch of articles. I will check in from time to time, as am working on a fairly large project on the Yucatecan haciendas at present. SusunW (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

We can do Haciendas at a later date in the stub focus!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys! I've added twenty Swedish churches that I find quite interesting (and cheated a bit by referring quite substantially to Svenska kyrkor - en historisk reseguide, a guidebook that picks for you). I listed churches in provinces which even I realise I will never have the time to cover, considering the pace I've taken on Gotland, Uppland and Skåne... Especially in Västergötland and Östergötland I think there are a lot of curious old medieval churches. And that's another thing, I've mostly chosen churches which are notable for both their history and their architecture (or some other interesting trait). There are of course a lot of beautiful, intriguing and highly relevant churches which are from post-Reformation times, but for now I chose to focus on the old stuff where I myself feel most at home :) Ciao, Yakikaki (talk) 18:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks, well you and Carter can tackle most of those over a few weeks, Rosie and myself won't be creating 40 Swedish churches! You may as well add 8 more and make it a round 50. I'll try to contribute a few more sometime.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

And here I was, thinking that 42 was the most excellent number possible. w.carter-Talk 23:16, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Yakikaki for all those interesting Swedish churches. I would love to start some of the articles but am pretty tied up at the moment. I'll see whether I can find time later in the week.--Ipigott (talk) 08:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I, too, am fairly tied up with a variety of projects on-wiki and off. But there are tons of artists listed at de:Liste der Notnamen for those who know German and would like to plunge in. Maybe in a month or two I'll be more active in that arena myself. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott:, @Dr. Blofeld: I will say that I have been trying to do at least a couple of these per day from the Spanish wiki. I have been careful to put the Spanish translation notice on them, but for the most part, I am translating virtually nothing. The sourcing, if it exists at all on "wikies", does not seem to link to an actual source page, but to another wiki page about the source. While I would absolutely love to have help with the hacienda project and the Municipalities of Yucatán (the 13 in the metropolitan district: Acanceh, Baca, Conkal, Ixil, Mocochá, Progreso, Seyé, Tahmek, Timucuy, Tixkokob, Tixpéhual, Ucú, Yaxkukul would be a great place to start) it seems a whole lot easier just to start with a template from one of the already in English ones and link the Spanish page in "after the fact." The source on all of the Spanish pages is the government of Yucatan site, word for word, almost verbatum, but there is no citation to same. Again, I am putting a translation notice on the pages I am creating, but I am not really translating anything from the Spanish pages. Just sort of acknowledging that they were the source of the idea. SusunW (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: If you are not translating, then there is no need to include a translation notice. We can see there is also a Spanish version of the article from the "Languages" links in the LH margin. If an English article is based on its own properly researched sources, it can quickly become much better than the Spanish original (as in the work you have been doing yourself). Anyway, I'm glad to see you are participating so enthusiastically in the project. My greatest contribution up to now seems to have been identifying people like you who are ready to join up.--Ipigott (talk) 07:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Oslo parks

Unfortunately google translate is poor for Norwegian. I've been pasting the full articles which are well sourced and seem decent on No wiki into google translate and they come out as gibbering nonsense for the most part, but am able to extract some discernible facts to create some very basic stubs. Really need some fluent editors here to improve them and translate fully. I've asked for input at the Norwegian project.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Bing translator is better for Norwegian. [2] The best one I have found for Dutch (or at least Caribbean Dutch) is Systran [3] SusunW (talk) 12:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Might it be useful to draw up a table of the best translation service for each language? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I think for the main ones google translate is our best bet.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:42, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I concur with @Dr. Blofeld:, Google usually has more languages than the others and it is often a decent translation. There are some African languages it does not do well, and I knew about the Norwegian and Dutch because of my work in the Caribbean. Basically, I start with Google and if I get gobbledeegoop, I try one of the others. I don't know that there are enough languages, widely used, that Google does a poor job of to make a list. SusunW (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Stub Focus of the Month

OK, I've made the decision to strictly keep it to ten articles listed per topic and extend to a full month and allow for at least 10 different areas of focus. The reason being is that this is more intended to be a fun bit on the side rather than too demanding on the time and effort of editors. I don't want editors to be daunted by having to create a lot of articles! This should be more manageable now. For those editors who added plenty of Polish castles and Swedish churches, thankyou, I strongly encourage you to still do so, but I've moved the remainder to the relative project pages where I hope you and others continue to build the missing lists and continue work on them. Where possible we should add more than 10 missing articles and list on the relative project pages to allow people to continue creating more should they desire it beyond the goal of 10. That way we'll also gradually at least populate some of the work pages with some missing articles!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of churches...

May I suggest a topic for the future in the form of Churches in South Tyrol? There are several noteworthy (several can be found here: [4]), the issue seems not very strongly covered in English Wikipedia and there's plenty of information to dig into for our Italian- and/or German-speaking translators. Yakikaki (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, we can do those next month, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Cats

Can we have categories? At least one for the members, perhaps even each language? Another for the articles, perhaps also one for each language: "This article was improved by ..."? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Trying again: I am in Category:WikiProject Germany members, would like to be in Category:WikiProject Intertranswiki members, perhaps even Category:WikiProject Intertranswiki German members. Articles could carry a banner that the project improved them and/or a cat Category:WikiProject Intertranswiki article, - wording subject to discussion. - Ah, I see we have one already! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I entered myself by just the cut, and am sorted under G without further ado. Top explanation is perhaps needlessly complicated ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah I'm with you, I was thinking you meant to create categories like Category:Intertranswiki articles improved by Dr. Blofeld LOL. Sure go ahead and create what you want!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Feel free to pick a topic you want us to work on from German wiki for Round 12 and list 10 articles!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of categories, I always have trouble creating them, but I was surprised, maybe even shocked, that there is no category for UNESCO Cultural World Heritage Site(s). @Gerda Arendt: could one be created? SusunW (talk) 14:02, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

There is a whole system around Category:World Heritage Sites in Germany, see Category:World Heritage Sites by country, - if you need redirects mentioning "UNESCO" (which the article title doesn't), you can create them like other redirects, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: good grief. I tried Unesco, I tried Cultural, I guess you have to be able to think like whoever made up the category. But THANK YOU. I now have my two articles categorized for Ecuador. SusunW (talk) 16:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Cats are a pain for me. When I look for one I go to something that will be in it and take it from there. So here: Hildesheim Cathedral, an article I helped expanding. - For de, I wrote some guiding notes, - could you check if it is comprehensible? Relevant partly for Spanish? Some for all? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: not sure what Zinsregister has to do with music bios? Looks like an interest register or something?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

It came up in connection with the Bach organ in Störmthal, feel free to change. It's a document but I didn't know how it would be called in English, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you pick a more straightforward biography instead? Zinsregister should be started too of course at some point!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Bio, off a DYK article in 2 days: Andreas Tscherning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

That's better! May want to check and improve! He was also in Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/ADB 49!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

There's a proposal to alter the display format of {{Ill}}- and {{Illm}}-generated interlanguage links to superscript. It might be to some interest to this project. Alakzi (talk) 12:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Mexican actresses

@Dr. Blofeld: I picked 10 actresses. Must admit that I know nothing whatsoever about film, or actresses. Found this article, Golden Age of Mexican cinema which I culled for articles on the Spanish site. Interestingly Maruja Grifell has no article in English or Spanish but her name comes up in multiple other pages. The two pages I listed that already have English wikis have virtually no data in the English page. One has 1 sentence. The other has 2 sentences and a list of films. SusunW (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Anything which goes towards improvement in coverage of Latin women is a positive thing. Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Totally agree. SusunW (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Fanny Schiller

I have just spent over 6 hours working on the above referenced file. I translated it from the Spanish Wiki and was working on finding sourcing for the claims, since as you know there are no sources listed on the Spanish Wiki. Sitush reverted every bit of my work. So my question is, how does the project move forward if we cannot translate the info and then search for sourcing? Is that not within the scope of the project? I find it quite disheartening that anyone would revert without at least an attempt to discuss, especially since it was clear I was working on the file. SusunW (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't clear to me that you were working on it. I was searching for emereo across the entire project, and poor sources simply have no place here. See WP:RS and WP:MIRROR for the specific situation at that article. Maybe the translations should be done in userspace until the sourcing issues are sorted out? - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think it was given that Sitush warned me about Emereo the other day and noticed several other mirrored sources in the article (and wasn't aware you were still working on it too). The content is otherwise fine and has now been restored with better sourcing. I've left some pointers on what to watch out for to avoid this happening again in the licensing/sourcing section.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: and @Dr. Blofeld: we could avoid this happening again if we assume that editors are working in good faith and replace a questionable citation with citation needed and a comment on the talk page. I need to walk away for a while. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: I want to get back to working on Fanny. I really do not want to individually have to verify her films, but I will. I find it really, really odd that IMDb is not an acceptable source, but it is given as the source on every single one of the Telenovela pages and so far the movies I have checked. But, I checked each of her telenovelas and she is listed as in them. On the films, I found a database [5] that I am not sure is any better than IMDb. Is it a useable source? I have so far found no listings of her films in books, etc. but will keep looking. SusunW (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, someone I never heard of posted her films. Not all of them, only those up through 1950. But a bunch of them.SusunW (talk) 03:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

What I do Susun is use imdb to write the film career of a person. Say In 1953 xxx starred opposite xxx in director's xxx, I'll use the imdb list but I'll source it to a book. I'll google book search the actress and film and use that to support it. Kinda of what I did with Martin Miller (actor, born 1899). I'd never source discussion of films to a database unless I have to. And yes, you should get hits on most films if you google book search her name and the film/director, check out this for instance. You could say In 1944, Schiller starred in Emilio Gómez Muriel's musical comedy La guerra de los pasteles and source it to this, you can paste that url into here to draw it up quickly.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, got it. She's looking better. I still think I lost some parts of it in the hullaballoo. Something keeps rolling around in the back of my mind about voice-overs and I don't have anything on that. Gonna work on another one and will keep coming back to her until I am satisfied. SusunW (talk) 13:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't be afraid to red link all the films. I've been meaning to have a massive stub spree for Mexican and Latin cinema sometime. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I was kind of giving the two guys who have posted films time to see if they will finish them out. I have them in my sandbox, but not in a table. If they don't post the rest, I will. What I have found is that I get hits on virtually no books. Something about the way they link to Mexico. Rosiestep and I have learned that books she can see I can't and vice verse, so... I did find some good links that may be helpful.

• ARIEL AWARDS
• Institute of Mexican Cinematography
• Cuban list of Mexican/Cuban films SusunW (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Evangelina Elizondo

Can anyone tell me where/how I find a list of her CDs? There is a list on her webpage, which is obviously unusable, but surely someone who knows more about music knows? I have tried all sorts of searches and am coming up blank. She recorded a bunch at Cisne Records, but I cannot find them either. [6], [7] [8] [9] her web page Apparently she was quite talented, sang with Placido Domingo. SusunW (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Not sure, but that's a great new article Susun!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I loved her. The more I wrote, the more amazed I was about her. She links to tons of other articles in the "What links here" as well. There is virtually nothing on the Spanish wiki other than a somewhat sensational account of the killing of Raymon Gay, so I think mostly the sources are good and could not have come from Wiki. Would love to put in more of her albums, I just don't know how to document them except one by one? SusunW (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Composers

Several ill-links in List of composers by name, - where would that be advertised? Different languages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll put up a composers one next week to tackle sometime based on those red links. Will need more than just me starting them though!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You asked me for red links, here they are ;) - I didn't know where to place them, because of the many languages. No rush. The ones I want to start I start without even coming here. The progress I see on this Project front page is just amazing! - Rather than starting new ones, I see potential for DYK, and that needs to be realized soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, yup a LOT to tackle!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I have a similar red link list of artists but as Gerda Arendt says is all different countries. Can we do a few groups with mixed languages but similar categories? SusunW (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Yep, at the end of the next week I'll do a general composer one.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if I gave you the artists' link and it doesn't indicate if they have articles on other wikis but surely there are some worthy of doing that have foreign language articles. Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts is the page. SusunW (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Romania?

I don't know if it would be of interest, but I was involved in the AfD to save Călin Gruia. In the documentation presented there were 5 authors listed as important and none has an English Wiki article. All save one have an article on Romanian Wiki except Gica Iutes. Possibly we could find 5 women to round out 10? SusunW (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

There are a few redlinks over at the excellent article on the Symbolist movement in Romania that may be of interest in that case. Yakikaki (talk) 17:36, 17 May 2015 (UTC) Like SusunW (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I finally took some time and went through red links. Unfortunately, the only woman I found in the Symbolist piece doesn't have an article on Romanian wiki, but I was able to put together a list of 10 with links. Didn't know what to do with them, Dr.B.,so here's what I found:

Round ??:Romanian writers and symbolists

1. Mihai Codreanu ( ro)
2. Dumitru Almaș ( ro)
3. Carol Scrob ( ro)
4. Octav Pancu-Iași ( ro)
5. Bonifaciu Florescu ( ro)
6. Mircea Sântimbreanu ( ro)
7. Nicolae Ghica-Budești ( ro)
8. Ovidiu Zotta ( ro)
9. Alexandru Săvulescu (architect) ( ro)
10. Cristofi Cerchez ( ro)

SusunW (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I will boldly take them to the next slot, - revert if wrong, - please use {{ill}} if an article exists in the other language, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Like SusunW (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

de nada - I invited a native speaker, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Even better :) SusunW (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, good, but I think I have enough for the next few days myself to be getting on with and have a lot of Mexican films I wanted to get cracking on with. If you can take care of most of them it's fine! Actually Dahn is the Romanian writer expert and he's even worse than you Susun, he can't produce an article under 50kb LOL. Every article of his on Romanian writers/books/critics has probably the highest number of red links that I've ever seen on wikipedia!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

This is really nice to see! I will read all these with great interest :) Yakikaki (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Yakikaki: If you're working on 10 or more articles on a given topic, involving either translation or creation please put them up on the board so others can also enjoy them and see what people have started. Didn't you create 10 Latvian lighthouses? Put them up too!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Yay! already one article done :) Yakikaki, I did nothing other than link the Romanian articles, but was happy to help with your redlinks. Am really behind, been at ER all morning. Hubby fell off a ladder. Nothing broken, thank goodness. SusunW (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

SusunW, well, you did more than I did ;) And thanks Dr. Blofeld, it's very kind of you and it also gave me an idea - while I haven't done any Latvian lighthouses (though someone did), I see now that there's an opportunity concerning Estonian ones. Once I'm tiring of churches and nature reserves, I will locust swarm on to those. Stay well, both of you. Ciao for now, Yakikaki (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

It was User:Arbustum. I've added those too.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Nielsen topics

Gerda, is it OK if we do that as one of the early ones for next month's stub focus instead of now in the days leading up to the anniversary?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I thought red links in a FA-to-be are not wanted, and the sooner they go the better, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Are they all red links from the FA? I didn't realise! Yes OK, from now it is then!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

They are all done. My tiny contribution to a FA. SusunW (talk) 19:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Libertad Lamarque

My brain is fried. I THINK, I am as done with her as I can be. I did not go through and list all of her films and certainly not all of her music ... 800 pieces, indeed. There are 3 citations I could not find, 2 of which I think are crucial -- her mom's name in someplace not related to Wiki and that her Hello Dolly really was the first Spanish performance. (It is on the Hello Dolly page). Please feel free to jump in and make changes. I need to rest my brain from translating and searching for sources. Trust me, Cuban Spanish, Mexican Spanish, Argentinian Spanish and all the rest are NOT the same language. Ufffffff SusunW (talk) 02:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't want you to burn out! Excellent job, that was the biggy, I may get that up to GA at some point. Merello and Bence are the other particular big ones, but the others should be easier. Lamarque was an Everest of a figure in the Latin world!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

She was. I will also tell you I read three sentences of the Spanish Wiki and never looked at it again. There may be sources (eye roll) on the page that would help, but the flowery prose and blog references put me off. I just documented it blind and hopefully have no mirrors. SusunW (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right! The articles look of deceptively good quality though!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: That is an ongoing problem with some of the articles on the Spanish language Wikipedia: sourcing. Blogs, deadlinks, or no sources at all. #sign But LL is now a wonderful article; good job. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. And yes @Rosiestep: deadlinks, if there are any references at all is a huge problem. I think the first several I clicked on in LL were all dead. I tried to remember to run every link into Wayback. I may have missed one or two, but all the critical ones are there. SusunW (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

And Fanny is nudging me to go back and work on her. Did you notice that LL's producer on Hello Dolly! in Mexico was Fanny Schiller's son? Someone needs to do an article. LOL. BUT, today, one more of Ian's Danes and then a Brazilian feminist.SusunW (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Templates

One thing I'm utterly incapable of doing but would really appreciate is the translation of templates. A particularly neat one which we're missing is Italian wikipedia's Template:Vescovo, but I run into others fairly regularly - is there a place for listing templates for translation? Furius (talk) 21:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You can ask here or at WP:RT. Does {{Infobox Christian leader}} not work for this purpose? Alakzi (talk) 21:49, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant! I think this is actually what I'm after / will produce - a list of templates that are effectively translations but aren't interwiki'ed. Furius (talk) 12:07, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Another one I can think off the top of my head is {{Infobox venue}}. Alakzi (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Another one for people is {{infobox person}}, following the comment by which Andy won my heart: "Unless, of course, someone wishes to argue that Barber was not a person...", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Mecha Ortiz

They did not call her the Argentine Garbo for nothing. I am having a heck of a time finding any documentation that is not Wiki related. She wrote an autobiography which might be helpful, but I cannot find it from here. I also find 785 listings for her in the [Argentine film library] but when you click on the links to the "400 Revues et articles de presse" none of them seem to go to actual articles, just the summary of what is on file. Uff. I was able to significantly improve the article on Nelly Omar. Will keep looking but Dr. B if you have ideas for sourcing, let me know. SusunW (talk) 03:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Mentioned Garbo here. If you can't find general bio stuff a basic coverage of her films and book sources should suffice. Google book her name and the film etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

It may take me a while, I'm stubborn like that, but I will find documentation. Snippets - husband had a horseback riding accident leaving him either paraplegic or in a coma which led to her career. She had a huge, Judy-Garland-like, gay following. She was considered a bigger star than even Lamarque, partially because of the mystery that surrounded her. If I must, I will just do her films, but I will keep searching for info on her. Now I am totally intrigued. SusunW (talk) 19:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Expansion

As the expansion ones need a lot of work and take longer to do, I've decided to move the Argentine ones to the bottom. At the end of each month we can propose a topic focus of existing stubs to expand, and SusunW can decide what she wants to work on! Or between us we could select 10 random articles which badly need expansion and mix it up, whatever is most interesting to people here! I think I would favour a mix of 10 different ones to generate the most interest, and they have to be ones which people like Ipigott and others have had in mind to expand too and will be interested in expanding aside from just Susun.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Works for me. I am obviously not going to get through the Argentines this month, as I keep working on other translations, but I am working on them. Besides which, I seem genetically incapable of making a stub unless it is something non-human. Even in humans I cringe about, apparently. José María Reyes Mata was a soldier, eeeek. Castro called them "his soldiers of Medicine". Extremely disturbing sources. We can safely bet I will never want to expand an article about war again. SusunW (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The problem there is that most pre 1900 Latin American male biographies from the colonial period usually involve them in some sort of battle. Most of the presidents were war heroes!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

For next month three of us are planning a focus on Mining in Africa:

1. Mining industry of Guinea - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Guinea
2. Mining industry of Lesotho - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Lesotho
3. Mining industry of Liberia - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Liberia
4. Mining industry of Libya - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Libya
5. Mining industry of Madagascar - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Madagascar
6. Mining industry of Malawi - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Malawi
7. Mining industry of Mali - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Mali
8. Mining industry of Morocco - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Morocco
9. Mining industry of Senegal - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Senegal
10. Mining industry of South Sudan - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of South Sudan
11. Mining industry of Sudan - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Sudan
12. Mining industry of Swaziland - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Swaziland
13. Mining industry of Tanzania - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Tanzania
14. Mining industry of Togo - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Togo
15. Mining industry of Tunisia - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Tunisia
16. Mining industry of Uganda - Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Sandbox/Mining industry of Uganda

The goal for that will be more than just stubs though, to produce all start class articles. It would be great if more than Rosie, Nvv and myself could help out with a few of them, we're planning a 16 in one hook. Perhaps each month one: Stub expand drive for translation and one missing article drive for start class for non translation like that will work well. Argentine actresses can continue into next month for you if you like unless you've had enough of them hehe!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with the actresses, am just slow, since I can hardly write anything but start class articles. It takes me a while to synthesize the translations and then find sources and then translate sources and then look for links, realize the article I'm linking to needs sources, then look for more sources. LOL I am too OCD to link to a page that is unsourced. I'll get them all done, hopefully by the end of June. Do you know of any sources for the silver condor? They all seem to be dead links. ;) SusunW (talk) 05:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I started some of the Silver Condor winning films a while back, something else I need to continue with! Yes, they're not easy to source for some reason.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm no mining expert but it seems to me that it's almost perverse not to have articles on mining in every country of Africa. It's a blaring case of "content gap" when one thinks of all the Star Trek episodes going through GAN in comparison (and everyone knows I'm a huge Trekkie, so I'm not dissing ST). I know mining articles aren't to everyone's liking, but I think that having a group of editors beyond Dr. Blofeld, Nvvchar, and me creating/working these sandbox articles will produce something pretty good. And for newer editors, it'll be a chance for them to get some DYK credits if they work on them. What's a good way to promote this month's project as lots of folks don't have this project page watchlisted? I'm thinking about dropping a templated note on members' talkpages. Any other ideas? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Trees of Chile

Round 33 is "Trees of Chile". Dr Blofeld stubbed some of these and invited me to help. I have created articles for the rest and expanded his stubs. I aim to get them all to start class and submit them, or some of them, to DYK with multiple article hooks. I have done descriptions for each of them and if anyone wants to participate in their further expansion, they are welcome. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Excellent work Cwmhiraeth!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles

Started a thread there about project coordination. Now, I like this project name and format and that we mainly focus on transwikiying content, but generally we are interested in missing content in general, and rather than a project like the Missing encyclopedic one largely being a database of missing articles in which the occasional person plods through a page or two, I'd like to see it more functional, like we have been this month. I'm not sure a full merge is desirable yet, but something in support here of general missing content and to regularly list missing articles from old encyclopedias and stuff to be started from that project too I think would be a good thing. Really it would make sense to have one large project geared towards all missing content, but I think most of us of course would be unwilling to do the large scale development stuff we'd need to create a massive scale directory of missing content, neither do I see much value in really having a massive database of missing content as there's only so much a few of us can really contribute. It's much more productive and effective I think to take small chunks of a topic and put 10 up on a board like we've been doing which can realistically be started. The best thing I think would be to also put 10 articles up from the old encyclopedias needing starting for the project to function more as an overlap and support the wide picture.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

May 2015

Fantastic stuff folks, over 400 articles created! Things will run at a more leisurely pace this month anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yay! 400 articles is huge! But where might we find the May list? and more leisurely is good. You work amazingly fast. I feel like I am doing good to do 2 a day and sometimes that is a stretch. SusunW (talk) 13:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

That's huge! We could do an "Articles created" subpage, such as this, to house them, but it could get really big really fast. And that's not to mention all the translations going on -- ITW's original scope -- in addition to Stub Focus of the Month. I don't know that anyone, including me, has been keeping track of them on these project pages. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I created a nav box in the stub section, the May 2015 run is linked at the top of it. It's best to archive each month I think. Well, I'm amazed how you manage to write such good articles on even languages like Romanian. I do a quick google translate on everyone and decipher what I can from it. French, Spanish and Italian translate rather well, and I'm intermediate level Spanish anyway, but German and languages like Norwegian, Romanian etc still rather poor so they tend to be more stubby. Yes, I'll be working at a slower pace on these from now on, but I still think we could probably manage 15 to 20 rounds a month without too much difficulty. The first 12 should last at least two weeks now anyway. If we keep the topics fresh and exciting ones it can continue, especially ones which any one of us might typically be working on regardless of the project anyway like Latin women writers etc..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC) @Gerda Arendt: Can you add ten German ones for Round 7, German composers or organists or whatever, ideally from your cantata entries.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I will, - too busy with a possible GA to translate myself, but a bit annoyed how many red links we still had in yesterday pic, - anybody to find agood translation for "Trösterin Musik", - closest so far "Comforter Music", but not presenting that Trösterin is a female Tröster. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Trust me, I am not even intermediate in anything other than English (okay, maybe piglatin). I barely speak Spanish, but, I learned to read Latin as a kid and can usually figure out the roots to Latin based languages. I was surprised at how much Romanian I could decipher. I am truly terrible at hearing and speaking. If people could hand me a print out of what they are saying, communication would be simpler :P I'm almost done with Zubarry and then think I can whip out a couple of haciendas. They go fairly fast with the fill-in-the-blank sandbox I made. Actually my goal for the month is to try to do one long and 1 hacienda each day, but not sure I will manage that. SusunW (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess we could have made the haciendas a project of the month. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

LOL @Rosiestep: they will take much longer than a month, there are so many, and I am trying to work the municipalities that link with them as I go, so it is taking longer, but ultimately will make for a more complete encyclopedia. Soooo, can anyone tell me how to make a disambiguation page? We will need it with the Kancabchén haciendas. SusunW (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Never made a disambiguation page before. Is this all I have to do to it? User:SusunW/Kancabchén And where do I find the format for the text that goes at the top of the articles to refer them to it? SusunW (talk) 21:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: WP:DAB and WP:HATNOTE would give you particulars. Some things I keep in mind: only wikilink the entry, and do no wikilink the subsequent words (i.e. Hacienda Kancabchén (Halachó), Yucatán, Mexico). In the Kancabchén example, the hatnote would look like this: {{otheruses|Kancabchén}}. And I know what you're thinking... so much stuff to learn/remember. Yup! But I love hatnotes, so that's always been a fun one for me. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: when I move it, do I call it an "article"? Or is there some other designation I give that kind of page? SusunW (talk) 18:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Yes, article. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:09, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: Okay, so I sort of screwed it up. *sigh* If you do it as I set it up,it does not show as a disambiguation page. Just makes a page called Kancabchén and Kankabchén. I tried to undo the pages after I made them and it would not allow me to do that. So I moved them again to Kancabchén (disambiguation) and Kankabchén (disambiguation). Thus the first two need to be deleted. Then I topped the pages with: {{See also|Kancabchén (disambiguation)|Kankabchén (disambiguation)}}. I hate making extra work for anyone. Sorry. SusunW (talk) 00:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

 Done @SusunW: no worries! I deleted them. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: Gracias, mi amiga. At least I now know how to do it. I apparently seem to learn better if I screw it up the first time ;) SusunW (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Testing testing

While I've been working on this project I've been listing approximately 25% of the red links identified (by me) as more than averagely deserving of the translator's attention. However, I'm not sure I've yet sufficiently identified the priorities of the group - eg as between quantity of entries we can start and quantity of "beef" in any individual entry.

Anyhow, here's a proposal for a batch of ten. What they have in common is that (1) I thought they looked interesting - slightly educative even - and (2) in each case there's enough text in a non-English wikipedia entry to provide for at least ten to twenty lines without having to google round and find more info outside wikipedia. And (3) they're all potted biographies of a mildy historic character. And (4) on reflection it all looks a bit churchy ... but then so does a lot of life / stuff / history.

Round 9999: Potted biographies (Historical)

1. Walter Bartel Historian (DDR)
2. Albert Schreiner Historian (DDR)
3. Eduard Pfeiffer Banker & co-op pioneer. Looks interesting.
4. Jakobus ("James"), Count of Lichtenburg Medieval castle owner
5. Hugo Aufderbeck DDR auxilliary bishop
6. Gerhard Schaffran DDR auxilliary bishop
7. Abbès Mohsen High profile Tunisian politician
8. Hassib Ben Ammar High profile Tunisian politician
9. Anselme de Peellaert Insider at Napoleonic court who came a cropper after 1815
10. Monsignor Johan Joseph Faict Belgian bishop

What do people think, please?

Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:07, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

You can add what you like so long as you start most of them ;-) Another idea might be to add a Miscellan. feature every month and you pick out 10 really notable missing biographies or something? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:46, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Wiki

This Ingrid Cabrera is the 2nd article I have hit on in Spanish wiki that has no sourcing and I can find nada, not one thing, that does not lead back to the wiki. I ran her name, Ingrid Cabrera Valladares, Ingrid Cabrera, Ingrid Cabrera Navarrete, Ingrid Cabrera Carpenter; her books: Llegará un tren a media noche (A train will arrive at midnight), Veneno para ciegos (Poison for the blind), Frágil baile es el fuego (Fragile dancing is the fire), Smile, Prendas olvidadas (forgotten apparel) Salida a Harlem (Exit to Harlem), Cinco cigarrillos para el señor Cabrera (Five cigarettes to Mr. Cabrera); her husbands: Roberto Navarrete and Steven Carpenter and for all of that get nothing that is not a direct mirror of the info in wiki. I tried her in worldcat, abebooks, google. Maybe someone else with different search access can find something, but I am wondering if she existed?

@Rosiestep:, @Dr. Blofeld: Back to this because it is a total puzzlement. I am honestly wondering if she is real. I tried Project Muse, Open Library and Newspapers.com too. I get nothing at all. SusunW (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

The other one is Carlos Irigoyen Ruiz I think he is probably real, but every thing including government web sites go back to an article written by his daughter, on a webpage maintained by his granddaughter. I am going to stub him, but he needs help with sourcing. SusunW (talk) 18:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If Google really won't help, I see that the person who wrote (>95% of) the entry on Carlos Irigoyen Ruiz is still, from time to time, wiki-active. If you leave a message on his/her talk page asking nicely for his sources because the entry is so interesting that it deserves translation for an English speaking readership ..... but sources are better than no-sources ... he or she may very well be delighted that you share his/her enthusiasm for the subject. You're unlikely to get inline citations from that approach, but you may nevertheless get some clues sufficient to use for a short list of "general" sources. I've done this in the past. Sometimes it works: sometimes it doesn't. But in the spirit of a project that, at its best, is "collaborative" it costs nothing (except maybe 10 minutes) to try. Success Charles01 (talk) 19:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC) Who knows, you might even get to liaise with his granddaughter....

@Charles01: on Irigoyen though there aren't in-line sources, every single bit of it comes from the two references cited--both by his daughter. She says that there are newspaper articles, but I find none. My problem in citing the source given without corroboration with some other documentation is how reliable is she. You know my father hung the moon in the sky, (really, he did), even if *you* can't prove it. If he played for Wallis Simpson, there ought to be a record in the British press. If he made records with RCA Victor, there ought to be a record. I can find nothing. But Mexico limits what I can search. That's why I posted them here. Maybe someone else can find something. I have a friend from Salvador who lives in Belize, so I asked him, but don't know if he can/will be able to help. SusunW (talk) 20:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I find it interesting that she doesn't have an entry at Worldcat or VIAF. I googled the 3 books mentioned in the lede, and nada; also nada for the Steven Carpenter redlink. I think Charles01's suggestion sounds appropriate. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: & @Charles01: I did send him a message (guy's name is SergeiBlakz), but I don't know 1) if he speaks English and my written and spoken Spanish is awful, and 2) the only thing on his talk page is from 2013 and is a request for him to put in-line sources on the Irigoyen article, which wasn't done. As I said, it isn't like there is nothing, there is one source, but it is hard to judge whether it is RS if we cannot find anything else. There was at least a picture and google does turn up other photos, and the cultural website for El Salvador acknowledges him, so I think he was at least a real person. The Guatemalan lady, I am not so sure about. No photos, no pictures, no nothing. The person who wrote that article, Gerardo Argueta has contributed nothing since 2009. The article has been flagged for sourcing since 2013. I have no idea where we go from here with her. SusunW (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

If I think of anything else I'll share it. Didn't yet, though. Meantime, it seemed unkind to leave your expostulations unanswered. Then again, maybe that would have been just as (un)helpful. I'm off to look up "expostulations". Success Charles01 (talk) 10:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Charles01:You made me chuckle. Smiling with coffee is always a good way to start the morning. I don't think your suggestions were unhelpful in the slightest. I'd love it if the guy answers. Even better, if he answers in English ;) SusunW (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

FInd a replacement article to create then and remove Cabrera from the list.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll try and remember the es Ingrid article when I get to Wikimania and I'll mention it to an es admin. Get their take on what to do with it. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC) Like SusunW (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Woot! Thank you Dr. B, Luz Méndez de la Vega was an amazing replacement. Rosie will like her too. Feminist, writer, actress, I think she hit all of our categories. :) SusunW (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Yup, great choice! --Rosiestep (talk) 01:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Praise for all

I'm really witnessing some amazing work coming in from multiple people here. It's rare that I'll see more than two people doing good work in any one place, this is a great achievement, already in about seven weeks we've achieved so much. Keep it up everybody, this is sterling work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:52, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project

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WiR

Let's cross-post women's biographies and women's works between this project and WP:WikiProject Women in Red so that we have more eyes and hopefully more hands working on these articles. FYI, I just cross-posted the Latin women's article section. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: You could put the Finnish women there too if you want, though there is only one left. SusunW (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Archive

Can we have the links to the archived months somewhere obvious please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Did't you notice them in the nav box on the right??♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:56, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

No, sorry, swirling too much ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Barbara Reeder Lundquist

Can somebody find enough on this sociomusicologist?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Esmeralda Pimentel

Hello, I would like to know if there is any user who can help me to improve the translation of this article?. I think that there should be some grammarians errors, but I don't know very well. I was translating the Wikipedia in Spanish to English.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 11:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

@Philip J Fry: I've given it a copy edit. SusunW (talk) 14:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Thanks for the help, I think that will be all. --Philip J Fry • (talk) 15:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Like SusunW (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Newspaperarchive.com

People might be interested in signing up for this, the biggest newspaper archive resource in the world!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Requests

SusunW, Rosiestep, Aymatth2 Can either of you find enough to start the following?

• Alora Gooding -actress

I don't see that she did anything much notable other than produce a child with an unsubstantiated claim as Sinatra's daughter. Her real name, Dorothy Bonucelli, aka Dorothy Gooding, aka Dorothy Lyma results in nothing on my end except references to the affair and child. 2 movie credits but nada else. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

• Rita Maritt, Long Island debutante, the daughter of an oil baron,

You find more than me about her. I can only find one sentence in a book. She was 16 and fresh out of convent school when she had an affair with Sinatra. SusunW (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

• Mary Lou Watts, socialite

They're red links in Sinatra. Not sure on notability. Maritt appears to be notable for little more than The Sky's the Limit and dating Sinatra. If you think they're not notable I'll shut off the links.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I think I'll cut them out. Thanks anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Agree again with @Susun. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Bridge of the 14th July

Just to inform you that there is already an article for this, entitled 14th of July Bridge. Lucky102 (talk) 11:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

So there is. Many thanks for pointing it out, and for your transformational (is that a word? - I think so) work just now on the entry in question.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

The existing entry needs a lot of work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra Day

I've proposed December 12th for Frank Sinatra Day for DYK, to host related hooks for 24 hours. See Template talk:Did you know. Articles are listed under the special holding area at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:Did you know ‎ . I'd be grateful if SusunW, Charles01, Rosiestep, Bede735, 78.26, Nvvchar and anybody else could help create/expand an article or two to go towards it. If you support the idea of Sinatra Day please offer your support at Wikipedia talk:Did you know ♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I like writing album articles. Got one in mind, or should I select a random LP? 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think his early Capitol stuff in particular, Songs for Young Lovers, Swing Easy!, In the Wee Small Hours, Songs for Swingin' Lovers!, Close to You, A Swingin' Affair!, Where Are You? and Come Fly with Me are essentials. Songs for Young Lovers I'd highlight in particular, his first at Capitol as being underdeveloped.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I'll do one, not sure what. Between the scientists editathon and the Caribbean schools and my out-of-town guests my time is crazy, but I promise I will do one. SusunW (talk) 19:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: If I can find enough I may get Jack Entratter to GA. If you can find anything else along with Rosie we might be onto a winner!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@78.26: Do you have enough material for Sinatra at the Sands, that's my favourite Sinatra album I think, largely because of the feel of the setting and the hilarious Tea Break.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:07, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I can add material to Sinatra at the Sands, but probably not enough for 5X, which it would need to appear in DYK. Songs for Young Lovers might be an easier go, as it is such an iconic album. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 22:25, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, now I feel bad. I did the article on the Riobamba Club, but didn't know you had posted it on the DYK page as well and that someone else had tagged it there that they would do it. I tagged it on this page, not knowing of the other page's existence. Too many postings in too many locations and now I've stepped on toes not meaning to. Anyway, the article is written, feel free to make any adjustments you want. I have to go play hostess so will not be back for a bit. SusunW (talk) 23:31, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I'm sure Yoninah doesn't mind. Yoninah can contribute further to it if she? wishes or create a different one. Thankyou!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I found at least three mentions of Sinatra staying at the Hollywood Plaza Hotel[10] when he was on the West Coast, so I created that article. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I think that's it Rosie, so cool, thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Echo

WikiProject Echo is completely redundant to this project. Can someone import all the useful resources from its subpages over to this project? 103.6.159.85 (talk) 21:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: What's the rationale behind removing the merge tag? 103.6.159.85 (talk) 10:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Le déclin de la télévision en faveur de la diffusion instantanée

Is there a tag to tag pages needing to move to a different language wikipedia? Or a Deletion tag for this? -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

It's a draft, not an article. Why would you want to remove it? It seems clear it is only a work in progress as it is not in mainspace. SusunW (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

It's in French, not English, so will never go to mainspace. As we don't publish works written in French on English Wikipedia, even the draft is on the wrong Wikipedia, it should either be deleted or moved to French Wikipedia. Since Wikipedia is WP:NOTWEBHOST we shouldn't be hosting draft articles that will never be published, and with any non-English articles, this is the case on English Wikipedia. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

If I am working with Spanish sources, I often save text in Spanish in the draft and then translate it to English. It isn't as if we are running out of space. You are assuming it is going to be moved to mainspace. It may never be and the person may not work on French wiki. I write English articles only, though I often translate Spanish articles to English wiki. Moving one of my drafts to Spanish wiki would not be remotely helpful. I guess I still don't understand why it is an issue. SusunW (talk) 20:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

The sources used in the draft article are in English. This is clearly not meant for English language consumption. The author is not writing for an English language audience, and Wikipedia is still not a webhost, so if it is not meant to be published, it should be deleted forthwith. If it is meant to be published, it is on the wrong Wikipedia. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:57, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Drafts

Does this project covers drafts as well? MFD is having a discussion about a non-English language draft and I wonder if it's possible that it be looked at, even if it has been blanked. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know there is not anyone currently active under the cloak of this project who works with the language in question. But if someone will tell me I am wrong about that, I will be happy.

As far as "does this project include...?" the position in reality seems to be that you can list on the project page for translation any batch of ten (or fewer) entries that takes your fancy. BUT you are likely to be the one who does most of the translations. Or else they get left month after month looking eternally hopeful. But in that sense, if you wish to list a batch of drafts for improvement, and especially if you are happy to be the one who does most of the work, go for it.

As far as the discussion to which you posted a link is concerned, my first reaction is that trying to find someone to translate it might be a more constructive response than nominating the page for blanking. On the other hand, if it's been sitting there untouched for five years, maybe someone already tried that several times. We are all of us - well almost all of us and quite a lot of the time - on Wikipedia much better at suggesting work for others than doing stuff ourselves. Anyhow, guilty as charged I flagged up a request on project Sri Lanka that someone might care to take a look. There must be people there who are familiar with the language. Or? If you can think of anywhere else to flag up a request, please do it. Then again, maybe you just did.

Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 08:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Intertranswiki

Hi Ser Amantio di Nicolao,

I read your message about giving this project a push, and I'd love to take part in it. I didn't know where to put my username with the tick next to it, so I opened this new section for this. Feel free to move it anywhere else if this is not the place.

Y --Indiralena 20:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)