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National team totals

Anyone know where I can find individual national team stats? You know, games played leaders and such, but also for current players. --Krm500 00:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Online, the best cross-competition-attempt I know of at the moment is the season-by-season stats below this menu (path: www.swehockey.se - LANDSLAG - TRE KRONOR, and then SÄSONGEN 200x/200x etc). Thats the skater and goalie stats (Team Sweden only) of recent years, but only from the Euro tour (not World/Olympic). The stats of the (recent) World competitions are instead on iihf.com (below Tournament and History, respectively). There is also some less official stats on EP including even older championships, Worldwide only (Olympic, WChamp and CCup/WCup). Seems we need to do a summary page on Wikipedia ourselves...? --Bamsefar75 11:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Offline, perhaps this book is useful... Björklund, Lars-Gunnar: Tre kronor genom tiderna (ISBN 91-88541-43-6), published in 2002. Some public library might have it. I don't. --Bamsefar75 12:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The library often have the 'Årets Ishockey' books which are great resource. I have only read the older books so I don't know if they have the international stats in the newer books. I don't trust Eliteprospect to be 100% accurate since I've come across many errors there. --Krm500 12:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The info on my closest public library searchpage says the book is a dictionary and contains stats and facts about every player in the national team ever. Too bad the same webpage claims the book is not available for some reason, so I might not be able to verify it myself. --Bamsefar75 13:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Categories

I don't know, I find having both Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in Sweden and Category:Ice hockey venues in Sweden a little redundant. Should these categories be merged? --Krm500 00:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point in having a category for Outdoor or Indoor hockey venues, as long as there are no articles on any outdoor venues. I don't think there are any notable arenas of that kind in Sweden that have not since long been rebuilt or replaced. Sure, there are a lot of local outdoor hockey rinks around the country but they surely would have very low priority, even on sv.Wikipedia. The reason for the category seems to be the Category:Indoor ice hockey venues which contains the Sweden category. Respectively, there are only three countries and five venues inside Category:Outdoor ice hockey venues. One of them is the russian Luzhniki Stadium where the final game of IHWC 1957 was played, but has any other hockey game been played there since? --Bamsefar75 00:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Outdoor? I don't think there's any outdoor venues in use in Sweden. The two categories I linked to have basically the same amount of venues but list different venues. It looks like someone has created on of the categories without knowledge of the other existing one. --Krm500 00:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

There are probably not many rinks with spectator stands around these days, but I'm sure there were here 50 years ago. Notable enough, or not, thats the question... There are currently four arenas recently added to the parent category Ice hockey venues in Sweden, those being Björknäshallen, Dackehallen, Rosenholm Arena and Skövde Arena. All were created by the same user. Three of them sounds like hockey arenas, not sure about Skövde Arena which seems more aimed at swimming. Those three could be sorted down to Indoor. Four other arenas are already removed from the parent category: Gavlerinken, Nobelhallen, Färjestads Ishall and Rosenlundshallen. There are also an Indoor arenas in Sweden category where some of these are present. To me it looks like the subcategories were created just because there were a few articles about Outdoor venues, and because of a general Arena/Venue (not hockey) point of view. I wouldn't mind having the parent category removed from every article (and Indoor added to three of them), or the other way around (and Indoor category removed, perhaps) but a bot would do the job better than me, even though there are just 30 articles or so. --Bamsefar75 13:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added the indoor category to Björknäshallen, Dackehallen, Rosenholm Arena and removed the ice hockey category from Skövde Arena (see its talk page). This have caused Indoor to be slightly larger than its parent. I noticed that someone added the parent category to 30 articles some weeks ago. 28 of these changes are still not reverted. I remember seeing that but beleived it was in order in some fashion I didn't understand. Perhaps because the User benefit rule or Common sense rule as mentioned on WP:SUBCAT. On the other hand, the editor was anonymous, and also added the cat to a football arena article (Jämtkraft Arena). --Bamsefar75 14:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Håkan Loob Trophy

Anyone interested in bringing this list up to FL status? I added goal scoring leaders from 1980-81 but the list contains too many redlinks and needs a better lead and some more references. --Krm500 10:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

HockeyAllsvenskan

I thought I'd bring the discussion here so more people participates. I was thinking that it would be a good idea to move Allsvenskan (ice hockey) to HockeyAllsvenskan which is the official name since 2005. But then I saw the discussion on the article talk page. I think it might be a little drastic to create all those pages that exist on the Swedish Wikipedia, but then I got the idea; How about creating an article – Hockey in Sweden? Football in Sweden already exist, we could make a similar article with a good general history section, and also explain the (very complicated) league system during the years. How about it? --Krm500 12:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, instead of making a lot of small former-league articles, we could make a (huge) historical article for all previous Swedish hockey leagues. (What is considered standard? History of Swedish ice hockey leagues?) If we limit the scope to only include Top + Second + Half-third-Half-second + Kvalserien leagues the size should be kept down. We could consider the lack of an article about the current third level (Division 1 leagues) as a measure of level three history being less notable for now. And as an upper limit, the list of Swedish ice hockey champions can be kept as the separate article it is. (It has not always been exclusive to members of the top league system (as it is now), so it is not fully in the scope of a league history article.) The league history article could be linked from the History section of Elitserien which should be linked from a League system section of Hockey in Sweden. Also, the league history article could be linked from a brief History section of HockeyAllsvenskan and so on. If we would try to have two articles instead, like one for level 1 and one for level 2-3, we might also need one history article for Kvalserien (since it is interconnected to level 1 and 2), which in the end might make it all end up the same way as the articles on Swedish Wikipedia. Rather have 10 sections in the history article than 20 separate historical articles? --Bamsefar75 17:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Elitserien

The Elitserien article is one of the articles that I wish to improve sometime in the future. I have some ideas but I'll just start with the small ones first; The team logos in the team table looks nice but if we try to get the article to GA sometime they'll have to go due to Wikipedias image policy. Unless we can find a really good reason to why they should be there. The second thing I was thinking about was adding a column with information about each teams first season in the league. Shouldn't be to hard to dig up. --Krm500 23:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Team table could use some team colours instead when the logos are gone. Not sure if there is a good source of official colours.

Note about "first" seasons: On stats.swehockey.se in the Historical database the original 10 teams of 1975-76 are visible (but with their current names, not the ones they were known by). After that, there is an official up-to-date document on www.swehockey.se - HISTORIK/STATISTIK - Kvalserien till Elitserien -Lag som gått till Elitserien sedan 1975 which traces the team promotions of each season. The pdf starts with the qualifications of 1975 just before Elitserien, where 6 teams were removed from the top-flight Division 1 (not mentioned there). Four of those teams have returned to Elitserien later (IF Björklöven, Mora IK, Västerås IK, Örebro IK), two have not (KB Karlskoga, Tingsryds AIF). If we sum it up in a (semi-usable?) table:

Team(s)	First SEL season (for team)	Drought seasons (for SEL)
AIK, Brynäs IF, Djurgårdens IF, Färjestads BK, Leksands IF, MoDo AIK, Skellefteå AIK, Södertälje SK, Timrå IK, Västra Frölunda IF	1975-76	-
IF Björklöven Örebro IK	1976-77	0
HV 71	1979-80	2
Hammarby IF	1982-83	2
Luleå HF	1984-85	1
Väsby IK (expansion from 10 to 12 teams)	1987-88	2
Västerås IK	1988-89	0
Malmö IF	1990-91	1
Rögle BK	1992-93	1
Linköpings HC	1999-00	6
Mora IK	2004-05	4
-	currently	2

The last column is how many number of seasons passed between two seasons with a new team. Not counting returning teams in any way. There's been 9 new teams the last 30 years (1978 through 2007). About half of them had been in top-league before. (Since 1922, the size of the top league(s) has varied: 7, 6, 7, 8 (9?), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12 (6+6), 16 (8+8), 16, 10, 12 teams. I've been looking into the pre-SEL history recently...) ---Bamsefar75 15:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Another angle on this could be to say that Elitserien should summarize the entire history of top-level hockey (hinted by x-Flare-x on Talk:Elitserien). Perhaps that would call for another column, the most recent year (or season) of promotion to the league, or even both that and a column for the first promotion. Or a large column for all the promotions of the team. And the number of seasons (both SEL and total?)... Etc. But since we have excluded the Swedish Championships from the article, perhaps pre-top-level stuff should be in the history section of Swedish ice hockey champions instead. --Bamsefar75 15:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

And, there the logos were removed, by admin and policy! --Bamsefar75 11:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Season article

I was thinking of starting up a 2007-08 Elitserien season article. Does anyone have any objections? And is anyone interested in helping me keeping it updated? --Krm500 19:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll help you. --claes 20:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I do anything for an easy edit. :) --Bamsefar75 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

If we ever do separate playoff articles, should they be called 2007 Elitserien Playoffs or 2007 Swedish ice hockey championship Playoffs? Perhaps 2007 Le Mat Playoffs? :) --Bamsefar75 17:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't done anything yet but I'll get going soon. --Krm500 12:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I pause updating the template until it becomes useful. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 23:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Elitserien players

This category does not work, at least not with its current contents. It might seem to be a Elitserien version of the Category:National Hockey League players by team, but the subcategories are all team/clubs, not franchises. The Elitserien status of a team/club might change season by season (currently zero, one or two teams are exchanged after each Kvalserien). The clubs don't end or begin with that, the way the NHL franchises do. Notable players may belong in a team/club category but at the same time not in the Elitserien category, yet the team/club categories are not named specifically for Elitserien seasons. (Some categories state that they are for the Elitserien version of the team and some dont.) The category might be re-made into something like Category:National Hockey League players but that doesn't prevent a future by team subcategory coming around and being filled with team/club players categories, which would bring us back to square one. The team/club player categories might be renamed to include "Elitserien", but they are already in Category:Swedish ice hockey players by team too. That would require cloning non-SEL equivalents of most of the categories, at least. But what parent category would they be distinguished in? Minor Swedish leagues players? I'm lost. What is the easy answer to this? :) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a overall name for the leagues that relegate up and down? I know the tournament has a name. Or is there an overall governing body for hockey in Sweden like Hockey Canada in Canada? You could call it Hockey Sweden players for example (and yes I know it wouldn't actually be called Hockey Sweden). On second thought the better way to do it is to put each team into both the Category:Elitserien players and Category:Swedish ice hockey players by team that way the players in the subcats don't necessarily have to have been on the team when it was an Elitserien club. --Djsasso (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok found the governing body for all the leagues...so what I would do is change the name from Category:Elitserien players to Category:Swedish Ice Hockey Association players or Category:Svenska Ishockeyförbundet players since we seem to keep the foreign language name of leagues. --Djsasso (talk) 23:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe make that as a parent category for Category:Elitserien players and odd guys like Nikolai Drozdetsky (and possible future additions) who did neither play in Elitserien or a former Elitserien team but played for a Swedish team in a Swedish league? --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That is a good idea as well. --Djsasso (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. That supercategory would spawn a subcategory for second-level HockeyAllsvenskan players as well, because the Elitserien category wants company. What subcategories goes into there? Almost all teams in Category:Elitserien players, plus a few new ones. And there are more league levels, and historical level names (even a historical system of second-level autumn leagues separating into second- and third-level spring leagues). Do they get a subcategory too? Is this structure useful? --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That's kind of why I was suggesting replacing the Elitserien category with the new one. Because it would then cover any team in any swedish league and would avoid duplicates. --Djsasso (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Could try moving Elitserien players to Category:Swedish ice hockey league players or Category:Swedish ice hockey leagues players ("leagues"). I would not be suprised if this is applicable on categories elsewhere in Europe too. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 01:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Category is empty now. I removed the single player since he only played in lower leagues. Club subcategories were removed by someone else. I feel it was a wise move. Delete this cat now? --Bamsefar75 (talk)

11:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Sportchef

Now when Kent Norberg officially got the title General Manager for Frölunda, how should we translate Sportchef? I looked in the Swedish Wikipedia, where the Sportchef article suggest Team Manager. What do you fellow swedes think about that? --Krm500 (talk) 02:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for asking... Team Manager is sometimes used for "Sportchef"/"Sportansvarig" but sometimes for "Lagledare", the more low-profile role. I tried to figure this out in October (when adding new infobox to Södertälje SK) by comparing stats.Swehockey.se (which uses English) with the other teams. General Manager and Team Manager are mostly different, except for Mora IK. Here on WP, only three Elitserien teams were using the Team Manager as the names of their GM (HV71, Färjestads BK, Frölunda HC) - besides Mora IK of course. Seven of the remaining teams used General Manager as GM, not counting Malmö Redhawks (recently demoted). I added "Stefan Jonsson" instead of "Stefan Nyman" to the infobox of Södertälje, and nobody have changed it yet, but that doesn't make it more correct. I also checked the respective club webpages (usually in Swedish) and compared them to Swehockey. I found that "VD" or "Klubbdirektör" stated by the club always equaled General Manager (never President). "Sportchef" often equaled "Team Manager", but not in the case of Djurgårdens IF, Luleå HF, or Timrå IK. For Timrå, Anders Huss was named Team Manager while Kent Norberg was "Sportchef". I remember that the Swedish title for Huss was "Lagledare" but now the club page states "Team Manager", which sounds like a translation close enough. Perhaps we just need to add a Team Manager field in Template:Elitserien Team, but that wouldn't affect Frölunda HC where Template:Pro hockey team is used. Maybe not all clubs use the title, and honestly, Anders Huss does not seem to have a public role in the club; we could just as well add every Physiotherapist and Equipment Manager around. What about Sports Manager? Too constructed? --Bamsefar75 (talk) 14:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Sports manager could also be used. The problem is that there is no clear consensus for the translation and thus we have different titles for the same position in the various clubs. Frölunda is the first team to have a General Manager position, with a clear definition of what it is. Anyhow, I created the Kent Norberg article, should we change the title Team Manager which I used since another person held that title in Timrå? --Krm500 (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Norberg became "sportchef" in 2001 and stayed in that position until 2008. Meanwhile, Huss was (among other things) assistant coach beside Kent Johansson for two years, and was replaced after the 2004-05 season. Before Huss was appointed "Team Manager" on August 2, 2005 there were no previous TM in Timrå, so no, Norberg was never a TM. This article from a local newspaper also suggests his role is similar to Mats Näslund in Team Sweden. The wikipedia article on Näslund says he was GM during the season 2005-06, which suggests that Anders Huss is GM or "assistant GM", but still the Timrå IK webpage says TM. This feels like WP:SYN. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of changing to "sports manager" in Kent Norberg article. By searching the term with google I found some links with career descriptions here and here among thousands of hits. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 02:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Team logo images

I just checked the status of logo images for every team (related to our task force). Some of them have recently been deleted because no NFUR was present, some of them lack NFUR but have not (yet?) been challenged by this. The majority however has NFUR, I think nearly all were added by me.

Anyway, here is the list of logos/teams that seem problematic.

Challenged because of no NFUR, and image recently deleted

• Frolundaindians.gif, on Frölunda and Elitserien (someone removed the link on Elitserien also)
• AIK.jpg, on AIK and Allsvenskan (deleted today)

No NFUR, but not challenged, image still present

• Djurgarden Hockey 100px.gif, on Djurgården and Elitserien
• Vfhc.png, on Frölunda
• Mora logo.jpg, on Mora and Elitserien
• Hammarbyif.gif, on Hammarby and Allsvenskan
• Leksands IF 100px.gif, on Leksand and Allsvenskan
• MB-Hockey.gif, on Mälarhöjden/Bredäng (women's team)

Teams without logo images

• IK Göta (historically significant)
• Vätterstad (historical)

Every other team in the Swedish ice hockey teams category currently has both logo images and NFUR, as far as I can see.

I make this posting because some logos have been deleted, which makes the articles look broken, but no action has been taken yet. I am probably capable of repairing and uploading missing images, and adding NFURs if there is enough source info in the image descriptions present, but have not got around to it yet because I've been busy living.

Feel free to fix any of the problems above. Check NFUR examples on the healthy teams (there is a template). Also see the "Image tagging" discussion at WT:HOCKEY about PNG images. --Bamsefar75 14:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• Added NFUR to Djurgarden Hockey 100px.gif, Mora logo.jpg and Leksands IF 100px.gif (stiked them above). The Mora and Leksand sources are outdated now, perhaps they must be replaced anyway. Mora has made a scalable logo available on the homepage but something is wrong with its colour, perhaps someone knows how to fix this. If not, there is another 100px logo where the current one was found, a bit less shiny. There is also a Leksand logo on the Leksand page on HockeyAllsvenskan.se which is probably large enough even for Elitserien team infobox, if they would need that one day... --Bamsefar75 13:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Uploaded the smaller HammarbyIF.gif (100px) with an NFUR instead of the deleted Hammarbyif.gif (huge) and added it to its two hockey-related pages (only). Also found another AIK logotype Aik.gif and added that instead of the deleted one. The AIK image however has no NFUR and I cannot add one since the source is not known enough. --Bamsefar75 14:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Esbjoern2 today uploaded AIKcrest.png and added that on AIK IF and Allsvenskan (ice hockey) instead of Aik.gif. He also got an automatic note saying the image lacks NFUR and will be deleted. The images are both transparent but uses slightly different colours. I haven't checked which image is more correct, but I expect the GIF will survive since it isn't auto-detected. --Bamsefar75 17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Added a IK Göta logo that was found on a presentation webpage created by someone connected to the team. Couldn't find usable logotypes on the official page. --Bamsefar75 15:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Some German guy (Malc82) has added a 100px logo for Frölunda HC now. Perhaps it will be that size for a while, like the one of Mora IK. There is still a large version on sv.Wikipedia. --Bamsefar75 13:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Seems the SEL webpage hockeyligan.se has made a facelift but in the process removed the plain 100px versions of all team logotypes. I think this means there are no official logo sources for a some of the teams, unless they publish their own logos themselves some day. Some teams seem to have a policy against publicly providing their logotype online, so we'll need to take care of the present logos. --Bamsefar75 01:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course that was only on a first glance... They also added 400px logos of each of the 12 teams on one page! :) --Bamsefar75 02:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Uploaded three new files as replacement for the 100px SEL team logos. Worked fairly well for Mora IK and Frölunda HC but I didn't make Image:DjurgardensIFHockey.gif appear as it should. Downscaling to anything else than original size makes the text edges fade in an unwanted way. Perhaps I'm just doing it wrong, could be a GIF transparency effect. Keeping the rather large 200px scale (looks a bit oversized) on Djurgårdens IF Hockey for now, until. Should be replaced on Elitserien too but looks bad, and logos on that page might be history soon as mentioned in the topic below. Any suggestions about what is wrong? --Bamsefar75 10:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• FUR for Vfhc.png made by Flibirigit. Thanks. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 04:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hockey team/club abbreviation key

I was browsing the book "Svensk Ishockey 75 år" (1997) (from Strömbergs Brunnhages förlag AB) and found a key of Ice Hockey club abbreviations. This might be useful since the meaning of that part in the names of most Swedish hockey clubs are taken for granted in most sources:

• AIF = Allmäna Idrottsförening
• AIK = Allmäna Idrottsklubb(en)
• AIS = Allmäna Idrottssällskap
• BIK = Boll&Idrottsklubb
• BIS = Boll&Idrottssällskap
• BK = Bollklubb
• BoIK = Boll&Idrottsklubb
• BoIS = Boll&Idrottssällskap
• BS = Bollsällskap
• FfI = Förening för Idrott
• GIF = Gymnastik&Idrottsförening
• GIK = Gymnastik&Idrottsklubb
• GIS = Gymnastik&Idrottssällskap
• GoIF = Gymnastik&Idrottsförening
• GoIK = Gymnastik&Idrottsklubb
• GoIS = Gymnastik&Idrottssällskap
• HC = Hockeyclub
• HF = Hockeyförening
• HK = Hockeyklubb
• IF = Idrottsförening
• IFK = Idrottsföreningen Kamraterna
• IK = Idrottsklubb
• IS = Idrottssällskap
• SK = Sportklubb
• UIF = Ungdoms&Idrottsförening
• UoIF = Ungdoms&Idrottsförening

For this Wikipedia, it would be interesting to make English translations of these. Most articles have names including these shortenings. Should Swedish abbreviations be added to the linked pages above or are those just for English ones (HC in this case)? --Bamsefar75 (talk) 02:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to add them to the articles you posted, but it's important that the full name is used on team articles, maybe with an translation too. --Krm500 (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

So, if anyone wants to have a go, here are some translation suggestions, not all of them obvious.

• Boll = Ball (duh!)
• Kamraterna = the Comrades
• Allmänna ("allmäna" is a typo in the book) = General, Generic, Universal (Common is "gemensam" in Swedish, and Public is "offentlig") Tricky one; Some info on AIK Fotboll and some discussion on Talk:Allmänna Idrottsklubben adds to the confusion.
• Ungdom = Youth
• Förening(en) = (the) Association (more fitting than Club or Society, I think)
• Klubb(en) = (the) Club (as above)
• Sällskap = Society (as above)
• Gymnastik = Gymnastics
• Idrott = Sports (I dont think there is a word for "idrott" in English which means Sports without Competition, and in our Pro Ice Hockey perspective, isn't there always competition?)

Let's be bold... If we can. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The equivalent in english would be Exhibition team as I believe Sports without Competition means team without a league. -Djsasso (talk) 02:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. No, sorry, "idrott" does not mean what I wrote. It means Sports with or without Competition. The Swedish word "sport" (as in Sportklubb or SK) means something like Sports with or without physical activity. In the area where the Swedish "idrott" and "sport" intersect, we find ice hockey. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 03:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

There are unsourced statements in an article on the Swedish Wikipedia (called "Ice hockey team") claiming that IF sometimes means Idrottsförening and some times Ishockeyförening (Ice Hockey Association), and that IK means Ishockeyklubb (Ice Hockey Club) rather than Idrottsklubb. The articles also mentions, as an exception, that Rögle BK means Rögle Bandyklubb (Rögle Bandy Club). A simple google test gives heavy support for Rögle Bandyklubb as the correct meaning. On the other hand, another google test shows that Färjestads BK means Färjestads Bollklubb, as one might expect. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Mattias Karlsson (ice hockey)

Needs a correct birthplace. Hockeydb has Orebro, Sweden. Binghamton Senators lists Stora, Sweden. Thanks. Alaney2k (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Both are correct, but one is more specific. He was born in the Storå locality, in Lindesberg Municipality (Storå is listed in its article), in Örebro County. Also see Eurohockey link. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 22:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

General Manager and "Sportchef" difference

According to Kent Norberg, a Sports Manager (Sportchef) is responsible for the entire organisation of all teams within the club while a General Manager is dedicated to the elite team. His statement in Swedish: Kent Norberg på plats i Göteborg 2008-05-06. This means that if a club does not have a General Manager, the Sports Manager performs his duties. However, it does not define the term Team Manager. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Swedish Detroit 2008 Champions

Times have never been this great for Swedish hockey in the NHL. Johan Franzén, Tomas Holmström, Niklas Kronwall, Nicklas Lidström, Andreas Lilja, Mikael Samuelsson, Henrik Zetterberg and probably Jonathan Ericsson and Mattias Ritola will have a big share new edits, facts and stats. There are a number of firsts and rewrites. But first, I'll get some sleep. :) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 04:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations to the Swedish Wings! What a great series it's been. --Krm500 (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Icebreakers

Some questions arose about the listing of Icebreakers on Dynasty (sports). They are listed there as champions of the "ASHL" (no explanation of what that is) in 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008. There is no mention on the team's article of these championships or of what league they compete in, but since they are categorized as an ice hockey team in Sweden, I hoped that someone here might be able to help by 1)improving the Icebreakers article in these respects and 2) adding a reference on Dynasty (sports) showing that this team has been referred to as a dynasty (linking to evidence of multiple championships is not sufficient; that would constitute original research or synthesis). Thanks for any help you can give! Cmadler (talk) 14:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Well it wasn't the Swedish Icebreakers this was referring to, it was the Scarborough Ice Breakers of the Adult Safe Hockey League. And I removed it, beer league teams can't be considered dynasties... --Krm500 (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL Cmadler (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Teams

Just updated the teams and the map for the 2008-09 season (though forgot to update season, thanks Bamsefar!) and was thinking about a few things regarding the teams table; In the teams table in the NHL article they list City/Area, how about adding Sundvall after Timrå in parentheses or with a slash separating them? I've never been up there but isn't correct to say that Timrå is a suburb to Sundsvall, even though it is a separate municipality? And I was also thinking it would be a good idea to add inaugural season to the table. --Krm500 (talk) 22:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice work with the map, should be easier to update it now. You doing the HockeyAllsvenskan too? I've updated the teams who changed league and the templates I could remember. I'm not sure what you mean with Sundsvall, they have a HockeyAllsvenskan team of their own. And that would surely be reverted (anonymously or not) anyway. The NHL article lists some small unexpected places as well, like Glendale or Uniondale. As for inaugural season, see the "Elitserien" discussion above. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know that there is a team in Sundsvall, but isn't Sundsvall and Timrå basically the same city/urban area (tätort) despite that they are two independent municipalities. The above discussion about inaugural season contained all teams, that is still an alternative. How about adding an inaugural season column to the table and write a new subsection with it's own table featuring former teams? I will do Allsvenskan shortly, but I'm not sure if it's allowed to use templates anymore since the maps aren't labeled anymore, but I like to keep the templates anyway since vandals, or anons who don't know how to edit them, will have a harder time editing them. --Krm500 (talk) 01:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No, the way I see it Timrå and Sundsvall are connected the same way as Södertälje and Stockholm (highway neigbours), only in a smaller scale. :) But yes, a list of former SEL teams inside the article is a good idea, instead of List of defunct NHL teams. Columns coudl be number of seasons, first season, latest/last season, and maybe a "current status" column (for defunct, inactive, lower-league, etc). Later we can add a "see also" link (or similar) to a future list article of all 67 formerly-top teams since 1922. Maybe have a NHLdefunct-style template added to the article of each former SEL team, unless that is considered overtemplatization. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 03:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone updated the HockeyAllsvenskan team list now, without either renaming the section, sorting the list, or updating the map, so I made a quick fix of that instead of reverting a WP:GOODFAITH. Looks a bit cluttered, perhaps the map should be enlarged (16 teams instead of Elitserien's 12). However, I think that might require updating all the coordinates (unless there is a clever way of rescaling). Also, both your SEL map and HA map images are now orphaned, but they might look good on sv:Elitserien i ishockey 2007/2008 and sv:Allsvenskan i ishockey 2007/2008. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Previous teams

Team	City	SEL seasons	First season	Last season	Currently
AIK		25	1975–76	2001–02	HockeyAllsvenskan
IF Björklöven	Umeå	15	1976–77	2000–01	HockeyAllsvenskan
Hammarby IF		2	1982–83	1984–85	defunct
Leksands IF	Leksand	29	1975–76	2005–06	HockeyAllsvenskan
Malmö Redhawks	Malmö	16	1990–91	2006–07	HockeyAllsvenskan
Mora IK	Mora, Sweden	4	2004–05	2007–08	HockeyAllsvenskan
Örebro IK	Örebro	2	1976–77	1978–79	defunct
Väsby IK	Upplands Väsby	1	1987–88	1987–88	Division 1
Västerås IK	Västerås	12	1988–89	1999–00	HockeyAllsvenskan

Suggestions, improvements, additions please. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 04:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, I think I will add inaugural season and season totals to the table for current teams. --Krm500 (talk) 03:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

2008–09 Elitserien season

I created the first season article for Elitserien, and will try to create as many as possible so we get a complete set. But we need to keep it updated during the season, and it can also be a good idea if we could get season articles for each individual team. --Krm500 (talk) 05:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Kvalserien to Elitserien 2008–09

I created Kvalserien to Elitserien 2008–09 but I'm a little unsure about the naming conventions, I chose to copy the format of the Swedish Wikipedia, but maybe Kvalserien 2008 would be a better name? --Krm500 (talk) 17:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather go for "Kvalserien 2008" just like the main article is namned Kvalserien and not "Kvalserien to Elitserien". Tooga - BØRK! 21:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure seasons and playoffs usually are named with the year(s) first, not last. The exceptions are probably mistakes waiting to be fixed. But I can also understand the idea of having the year last (proper google test?). The question might be if it is to be the English Wikipedia or a Sweden-related subject. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well it isn't the 2008–09 Kvalserien, it is the 2008 Kvalserien, which determines who will qualify for Elitserien's 2008–09 season. I have no idea how we should do, I just decided to copy the Sv Wiki format for now. But there are examples when the year comes after the season or tournament, Allsvenskan for example. --Krm500 (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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2008–09 Elitserien game log

I was just wondering what you all think of the format? Anything else we should implement, broadcaster for example? The table looks different from September and on, but I will make sure that they are formatted (like the september one) correctly before we get there. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 02:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hm... Weekdays seem one day behind what they should. Format works, mabye lacks a little colour but I can see no logical use for colours at the moment. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 12:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Oops, don't know how that happen. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 17:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe link the team name the first time it appears each month. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 17:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I added Elitserien teams to the Season Article Drive, please sign up to adopt an article or two so we get full coverage of Elitserien 2008–09. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 12:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Moderklubb (motherclub?)

Is "motherclub" an established term in English? I added an explanatory link here but it got removed here. The links go to the edit history of Nybro Vikings IF. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 08:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

It might be used rarely, I think what we would use in english more often that I think means the same thing is "Parent Club". -Djsasso (talk) 15:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Djsasso, never heard the term used in english before, in Sweden it's very common. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 15:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Another term might be "Big Club". But that is more in the NHL/Farm team sense. -Djsasso (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

So "parent club" is usually not the same as "nursery club"? It seems that the Swedish term (see sv:Moderklubb) can mean both "the first club the player represented (in this sport)" and "the club the player is owned by in a farm team relationship". The usage I mentioned in the Nybro Vikings article is about first/origin club, not farm team (and not to be confused with "First team", that is "A-lag" in Swedish). --Bamsefar75 (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Moderklubb to me only means first club, never heard it used when a player is on loan. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 16:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait I didn't realize that is what it meant in sweden, I should have read closer. No Parent Club always means top club as like the NHL team. I think we just say first team for a players first team. So basically it sounds like we are the opposite from you in english. Parent club means what you call First team. And first team means what you call Mother club. -Djsasso (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Roster templates

I created List of current Elitserien team rosters to help us keeping the roster updated. And see which players need articles, would be nice to see all blue links. --Krm500 (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The five Norrland teams should be updated now. While updating the rosters, the infobox should not be forgotten. Seems only MODO and Luleå get to keep their captains of the teams up north. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I just made 10 stubs by selecting a couple of the oldest players from Brynäs IF, Luleå HF and Skellefteå AIK. These teams had more than 40% redlinks. If one is up to speed, it takes around 20 minutes to research and format each player stub with infobox and categories. There are 100 redlinks at the moment, making 33 hours of work in total. (There are also some redlinks that can only be made into stubs when the player have had their first pro game) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 05:26, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the HV71 roster template with the Player4 template. It now looks like the roster templates for the NHL teams. I think it's easier to get a good overview of the team's roster. What do you think, should we use this type of layout for the rest of the Elitserien roster templates? --claes (talk) 12:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe the idea is to eventually get all team articles in all leagues to this format. Its just a huge undertaking. -Djsasso (talk) 15:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I've converted almost all of them to the new format, only one left, I believe. --claes (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Slow day at the office, so I fixed the last one. --claes (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

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Elitserien from 2010

It seems Elitserien will change dramatically from 2010. News (in Swedish) here about the major teams cancelling their contracts and plan for merge with KHL and similar. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't believe teams would actually leave to the KHL after all the crap that happened this year. -Djsasso (talk) 16:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't jump the gun, it wouldn't surprise me if it happen, but officially they are just holding out for a better TV deal. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 16:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't read the article and coldn't find an english one so I was just going on what he said. -Djsasso (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Try Google Translate [1], might be more or less accurate. (the word "American" is not in the Swedish version) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for the tip! --Krm500 (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Site being currently unavailable, it can still be found in the IA, most recently at this page. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The site seems to be up again, and the history can be found here. Tooga - BØRK! 20:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Swedes drafted in 2009

So far there are a handful of Swedish players without articles that have both played in Elitserien and just been drafted. Number 62, 73, 88 and 102 have at least one SEL game played. Would be nice to have articles for them as well:

• Anders Nilsson
• Alexander Urbom
• Mattias Lindström
• Mattias Ekholm

Quite a lot of Swedes overall this year. Probably there are players from previous drafts without articles too, if anyone wants to pursue that. :) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a shot at em' tomorrow night unless I'm beaten to the punch. Oh and great draft for Sweden, a few guys I wanted to be picked that weren't (Tömmernes, Styrman, etc) but I was pleasantly surprised to see Almquist being selected by Detroit. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 02:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Tre Kronor

Tre kronor is currently a disambiguation page, and other articles named Tre kronor are conveniently already disambiguated. So I was thinking of moving Tre kronor to Tre kronor (disambiguation) and move Sweden men's national ice hockey team to Tre Kronor since it is quite clear that our beloved national team is the primary topic. Any objections? —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 02:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Also how about moving Elitserien Rookie of the Year to Årets Rookie? I created the article and should have been more careful when selecting name since there isn't an official title in English.

This WikiProject might be partial regarding Tre kronor. I wont mind things stay; all other national teams seem to use the long descriptive version. Rookie article could be named either way if it was up to me, but maybe not as Flibirigit:s topic on my talk page (Feb 2008), Swedish Rookie of the Year. Actually, having 'Elitserien' in the name is more descriptive than just 'Årets'.--Bamsefar75 (talk) 13:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

2009–10 Elitserien season

I created an article for the 2009–10 Elitserien season and used the NHL season article as a reference. I noticed in the NHL season article that a game log is not included. Should we have it included in the Elitserien season article? Maybe we can go for a description of the season (or both) like in the NHL article. Thoughts? --claes (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Gamelogs tend to go on individual team season articles to avoid clutter. I like the description of the season for the main league article. -DJSasso (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The gamelog of an NHL season is nearly four times as big as an Elitserien one, so that makes sense. We included all SEL games on the 2008-09 season article. But yeah, it felt a bit heavy while I was updating it. On the other hand, there are only a season article for every fourth team. That actually cuts the workload of updating (another way to do it easier would be a clever bot/script). --Bamsefar75 (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

A Conn Smythe Trophy equivalent in Sweden?

Anyone know if there's an equivalent Swedish hockey award to NHL's Conn Smythe Trophy? I can't seem to remember any Swedish MVP playoffs award being given out after the finals. --claes (talk) 20:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ice hockey article standards

When checking the season articles for Elitserien teams it seems that they differ a bit. I think we should establish a article format standard like the NHL articles. Also, a standard for Elitserien seasons would be good to have. Just look at the current season article. I've tried to make them same as NHL articles but it's difficult when we don't have a standard to refer to. What do you think? --claes (talk) 20:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Images

I have uploaded images for most of the players on the 2010 Swedish World Junior team, but some of them do not have pages yet - if you create a page for one of these players, please drop me a note and I can check to see if I have an image of them. Canada Hky (talk) 18:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Only Nilsson and Rasmussen who doesn't have articles, I'll create an article for Nilsson right away. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 19:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded, and added it to the article. Canada Hky (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any images of Jacob Josefson? It would be nice to have one for the international section. Tooga - BØRK! 21:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I just uploaded 4 to Commons. My username there is the same. Unfortunately, I think I spelled his name wrong for all of them (Jacob Josefsson). If there is anyone else you need multiples of, let me know - I have about 5000 images.  :) Canada Hky (talk) 22:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Tooga - BØRK! 22:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Naming discussion at Talk:AIK (ice hockey)#Move

Input needed. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 01:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Help with AIK players

Section moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive52#Help with AIK players.

Hello! I would like some help with creating an article for each player in AIK of the Elitserien. See examples of my articles at Victor Ahlström, Talk:Victor Ahlström, Viktor Fasth and Talk:Viktor Fasth. The list of all the players can be found at Template:AIK ice hockey roster. /HeyMid (contributions) 19:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Women's Hockey

Hello Everybody, I worked on Women's Ice Hockey in Sweden. If you will verify if everything is correct or completed , Thank --Geneviève (talk) 21:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I think the prose needs some work, but overall the facts seems to be correct. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 22:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank so much for your help and for your good work. Also Today I worked the page of Danijela Rundqvist. I make in red the IIHF European Women's Champions Cup because I will work this Women's Hockey Tournament next week for write a new Wikipedia page User:Genevieve2/sandbox08. Next week-end (8-9 January 2011), I will go to two games Montreal Stars -Burlington Barracudas at Montreal. Maybe I take some photos with Danijela Rundqvist and I put one on the Rundqvist's page. I need your advice and opinions. Thank. Bon Week-end and enjoy --Geneviève (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed merge

It is my feeling: The season 2010-11 Riksserien probably does not merit his own article, and such content as is appropriate should probably be merged into the Women's ice hockey in Sweden article. I invite discussion, --Charlesquebec (talk) 12:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

In the reading of your comments, I remove my proposition of merger. I only wanted to improve the Wikipedia encyclopedia but the Sweden ice hockey is not my domain of specialization. Thanks and happy editing. --Charlesquebec (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)