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Chapters

10 Active chapters, 5 Inactive chapters, should chapters = 10 or chapters = 15? Naraht (talk) 00:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I've often wondered that when I see the infobox in the wild. If anything we should change the wording of the label to be "Active chapters" to make it more obvious. I don't think the number of inactive chapters is particularly useful. Primefac (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

In the wild indeed. What about a defunct group that used to have 375 chapters? Would that be zero? I tend to go with the number of active chapters if the group is still active and the total lifetime chapters if the group is defunct. But what about a case of 125 total chapters with only 3 active? Some editors solve this issue by something like: 3 (active), 122 (dormant), but not everyone does this and I think it clutters the field. See my suggestion below. Rublamb (talk) 12:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Reposting my suggestion for the chapter field from above: We could expand this to provide the option of Active Chapters, Dormant Chapters, Alumni Chapters, and Graduate Chapters. These could stand alone or populate the Chapters field, the way Lifetime goes into the Members field. That would let us add these chapter options without having to immediately address the many variations of data currently in the Chapter field. Rublamb (talk) 13:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply Rublamb (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

My only quick comment here is that I *hate* using the term dormant in this context. If a GLO uses that term fine, but using it across the project, ug.Naraht (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Inactive works for me. That terminology would align with our chapter tables. FYI: I just came across an article that had something like: 123 (chartered), 12 (active) in the Chapter field. Rublamb (talk) 17:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

At least useful. A group down to 10% of charters. Oof. Naraht (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Naraht, by "I *hate* using the term dormant in this context," do you mean we should reserve "dormant" to describe an entire organization, and use "inactive" for individual chapters? I'd be OK with that. And again, I support the general plan as discussed. Jax MN (talk) 20:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Jax MN All contexts...Naraht (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Delta Sigma Rho-Tau Kappa Alpha Confirmed inactive

Could someone please take a look at my changes and tweek if necessary. Naraht (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. I really want to split this into three articles, but we have such a small amount on the merged group that this is not possible yet. Rublamb (talk) 15:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Good catch Naraht, on that 2019 announcement. Thanks for jumping on the editing review, Rublamb. I hadn't known of their demise. This is a great example of where it would be helpful to include the year of their demise in the infobox. Jax MN (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jax MN, can you see if the joined group is in Baird's 19th or 20th? I would like to divide this into three articles, but the details post-merger are lacking. In the meantime, I am going to create the chapter list for Tau Kappa Alpha from 1963. Rublamb (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Sent, via email. Jax MN (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

So eventually (sort of like what happened with Kappa Omicron Nu), I *think*, a DSR page, a TKA page, a DSR-TKA page, a DSR chapters list, a TKA chapters list, and a DSR-TKA chapters list. I don't know if to be glad or not that we don't have any list of notable members.Naraht (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's because I have not yet look for notables. LOL. There probably won't be enough for a list article. Rublamb (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Anything to do other than the APsiO chapters. :) :)Naraht (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. Also, avoiding a GA review with really picky comments. Rublamb (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

What I'm avoiding is trying to figure out how to express the three separate articles in the ACHS page and ACHS template.Naraht (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Were the former groups ACHS members? Rublamb (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

as far as I can tell, dsr, tka and dsr-tka were all members, I need to confirm.Naraht (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I found it; recovered an old ACHS page Rublamb (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

thanx. still thinking about it.Naraht (talk) 02:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

And we probably should have separate articles for the Theta Kappa Phi and Phi Kappa chapter lists.Naraht (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this plan. Jax MN (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Single Line infobox fraternity usage

I *know* that all templates work if the are all on a single line. Most of the cite templates are intended to be used that way. But for Infoboxes, I find it annoying. Would anyone object to changing single line usages of infobox fraternity to have one line per parameter like the example in the docs? (there aren't many, maybe half a dozen at most)Naraht (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Fine with me. Rublamb (talk) 20:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Beta Sigma help needed

I have worked on the Draft:Beta Sigma Fraternity that was declined in draftspace and have it ready to go. However, it brings up the Grove City redirects again (see discussion above). There is a redirect for a local frat at Grove City that is not mentioned in the college article. The fraternity in the draft has over 100 chapters, including international locations. It clearly should have the Beta Sigma title. @Primefac, do you have the abilty to delete the redirect or to fix it so that we can publish this draft as Beta Sigma? Rublamb (talk) 06:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Uh... neither Beta Sigma Fraternity nor Beta Sigma have pages there, though I do note that the latter was just deleted a few hours ago via {{db-afc-move}}. That or {{db-move}} are the best ways to get redirects that are in the way deleted (for future reference). Primefac (talk) 17:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I have the afch tool which marked this when I tried to approve it. I'll check on status when I get home. Naraht (talk) 17:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

The Beta Sigma redirect was still live when I checked. I think @Naraht had submitted requests to delete all of the Grove City redirects and it just happened to have perfect timing. Thank you both for looking at this. Rublamb (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Looks like it went through. I'll need to look at the cats for it, I didn't expect when I requested the deletion of the redirect that it would go as far as it did.Naraht (talk) 20:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Just like I wasn't expecting to find secondary sources for a Philippines fraternity... Rublamb (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

UP Cineastes' Studio

The *first* edit on this page was creation with the Infobox Fraternity, and it hasn't changed, but I'm wondering if Fraternity or Organization is more appropriate, opinions?Naraht (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I would think organization since it doesn't seem to have the characteristics of either a GLO or honor society. I will make the needed changes. Rublamb (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It does appear that one applies for membership, maybe that's the reason?Naraht (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Membership is open to all students and does not have restrictions for academics or area of study. It sounds more like a club than a GLO, professional or honor society. Rublamb (talk) 00:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing status

Nineteen left. All are ones that I'm not quite sure of how to put the status, ranging from small GLOs that apparently had a website (but don't have any more) to groups that have been active, lost all of their collegiate chapters but continue alumni activities to I have *no* idea. Could someone please take a look at the remaining?Naraht (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Some were ones I had worked on previously, so I have made progress. Rublamb (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Theta Phi Alpha

Would appreciate eyes on the article. Over the last 4 months, there have been several attempts to delete motto and patroness, but still listed on the sorority website at https://thetaphialpha.org/collegians/Family-information Naraht (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox needed...

• Peithologian Society

Naraht (talk) 01:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities

Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jax MN, do you have time to look at this? Coincidentally, a couple of days ago I decided to work on our FL, FA, and GA article that have declined. I am in the middle of another article (that is in much worse condition) and would rather not jump to another project. Rublamb (talk) 19:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It's on my list, but I too have several other items in the queue. If someone else gets to it prior to me, that's fine. I'm not regularly involved with FA and GA analysis or nominations. Jax MN (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking more about adding needed updates (new or defunct chapters), as that should address any concerns. Rublamb (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

This lost GA status. I am fine with that as it has an updates needed tag. However, I guess we need to address the reviewer's statement that this is a list article. I disagree with that and have given the article a B class, one level down from GA. To me, it has more detail than would be included in a list. Thoughts? Rublamb (talk) 18:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

German Burschenschaft

Can I get a second opinion of German Burschenschaft? It has a fraternity infobox but appears to actually be an umbrella organization. Should it be added to Affiliation? Rublamb (talk) 21:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I think it does count as an umbrella, but how many do we have underneath it? Bring it up on the talk page of the infobox.Naraht (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how many we have but it claims to represent 70 fraternities. Rublamb (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Good catch. It should be added. Jax MN (talk) 20:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I changed the infobox type and moved this within our watchlist. Rublamb (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup. Umbrella.Naraht (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)