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Additional candidates for list
editAdditional potential candidates to be included in this subpage include: Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Boston College, BYU, Cincinnati, Florida, Houston, Indiana State, Louisville, Maryland, Mississippi State, NC State, Northern Iowa, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Rice, Richmond, Rutgers, South Carolina, Washington State, Yale. Cbl62 (talk) 02:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- How far back will Boise State go. I doubt that we should include their Ju-Co days. But I am willing to help on Oklahoma State.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- @UCO2009bluejay: If you want to tackle Oklahoma State, that would be great. I'll add Oklahoma State and Boise State to the list. Cbl62 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Having second thoughts about adding Boise State. We already have season articles for every year since Boise State jumped to Division IA , i.e. there are articles for every season from 1999 forward. I'm not sure single season articles for prior years, when they were competing at a lower level, are a significant priority. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- I would swap out Boise State for Iowa State. Somebody tackling BC would be nice. Cake (talk) 05:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Having second thoughts about adding Boise State. We already have season articles for every year since Boise State jumped to Division IA , i.e. there are articles for every season from 1999 forward. I'm not sure single season articles for prior years, when they were competing at a lower level, are a significant priority. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- @UCO2009bluejay: If you want to tackle Oklahoma State, that would be great. I'll add Oklahoma State and Boise State to the list. Cbl62 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
What qualifies as a historically significant program?
editWould it include any team that participated in the Big 8/Missouri Valley, like Grinnell, and WashU pre-28? While we stick to the MVC could it include other programs that were in the conference at one period of time such as Washburn (1930s), or West Texas State (WT now D-II was D-I for a while in the 70s and I think part of the 80s)? I am not criticizing any of the programs already listed here but I've never heard of some of those programs listed. Should champion seasons for FCS programs be listed? Or many other current FBS programs e.g. Appalachian State, Akron, Tulsa, etc.? We don't have many of those articles?–UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:00, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- I have similar thoughts/questions, myself. What exactly is the historical significance of Kansas, Duke, and Texas Tech, as opposed to, say, any other FBS program? Ejgreen77 (talk) 02:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think that each Power five season is notable, and likely any FBS level season. We create articles for every FCS team's current season now. But I've never heard of Galludet, or Erksine I'm not saying they aren't notable, but I'm wondering the rationale. I would like to see some FCS champion/D2/D3 champion pages created as well.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Good questions. As with other areas of interest on Wikipedia, WP:GNG ultimately determines which seasons warrant a stand-alone article. In the modern era (say 1920 forward), I think it's pretty clear that every Power Five season is sufficiently notable to warrant a stand-alone article. Beyond the Power Five (e.g., Mid-American Conference, American Athletic Conference, Mountain West Conference), other programs' individual seasons may or may not be notable, depending on the level of coverage. In earlier periods, some additional programs had periods of great significance, e.g., Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, and Chicago were major programs up until the 1930s. Some other programs had briefer periods of significance (e.g., Saint Mary's, Carlisle, and Sewanee). I do not believe that every season for every program warrants a stand-alone article. As for Gallaudet, Erskine, Rollins, Oglethorpe, etc., I don't know enough to say whether or not they warrant stand-alone season articles; I will leave it to User:MisterCake to speak to those ones if he cares to do so. I will say this, though: Before we devote substantial time creating single-season articles for little-known historical programs, it behooves us to do the work to ensure that there is sufficient coverage of those seasons to pass the GNG bar. Cbl62 (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- I've been adding the historical teams I work on for various reasons. So, I won't take it personally if any are removed. However, I have of course tried to add those which I think fit the bill. For those which bring up curiosities: Gallaudet, for instance, claims to have invented the huddle, and at the turn of the 20th century were a regional power. Rollins and Erskine more 'fill in' gaps in the state histories of the sport in Florida and South Carolina, respectively. The Gators first ever game was against Rollins, for instance. Jack McDowall is in the hall of fame in part for his work at Rollins. For Erskine, Dode Phillips and the '21 team is legendary. Oglethorpe upset Georgia Tech in 1926 and Georgia in 1929 (Georgia beat Yale that year!). Kansas, Duke, and Texas Tech all have major conference titles. Duke hosted the only Rose Bowl not played in the Rose Bowl due to Pearl Harbor. Wallace Wade and Eddie Cameron loom large. Iowa State is one I could see adding; and I would be for teams like Grinnell and Washington U for the same reasons as the likes of Erskine or Oglethorpe. As I try to fix neglected importance rankings - West Texas State is one I would like done to resolve the confusion of when they were major and not. Washburn was at one time pretty big. I made the 1905 article. Cake (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- My question wasn't related to notability - at the very least, all FBS & roughly historically equivalent seasons are notable, IMHO. My question was more related to the selection of the schools on the list. Why is (for example) Kansas on the list and other FBS schools (say, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, etc.) aren't? What's so historically significant about Kansas football, or are we just allowing every user to list their favorite FBS program (which is fine by me, BTW, I was just trying to get some clarification about the criteria being used for selection here)? Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- I took it to be those a) of current and historical significance, lacking coverage and b) those with users willing to cover it. A fairly broad criteria, but willing to have some removed. Wake is already covered in decade articles which just need to be moved, and so IMO are a good selection on that alone. There is one season of Cincy I could make an article for, but as to their history in general I would have to shrug as to their inclusion. I do not know of much success with Wake football, which hinders both angles. You perhaps counter "What about Kansas?" Indeed, they are probably the weakest Power 5 team as of late. However, Kansas first of all gets the name of an entire state behind it. Kansas also had Fielding Yost for a season, multiple Big 8 titles, and the likes of A. R. Kennedy and George Sauer - not to mention Gale Sayers. Cake (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Tulsa's history looks a little interesting. Poor Cumberland. Cake (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- My question wasn't related to notability - at the very least, all FBS & roughly historically equivalent seasons are notable, IMHO. My question was more related to the selection of the schools on the list. Why is (for example) Kansas on the list and other FBS schools (say, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, etc.) aren't? What's so historically significant about Kansas football, or are we just allowing every user to list their favorite FBS program (which is fine by me, BTW, I was just trying to get some clarification about the criteria being used for selection here)? Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- I've been adding the historical teams I work on for various reasons. So, I won't take it personally if any are removed. However, I have of course tried to add those which I think fit the bill. For those which bring up curiosities: Gallaudet, for instance, claims to have invented the huddle, and at the turn of the 20th century were a regional power. Rollins and Erskine more 'fill in' gaps in the state histories of the sport in Florida and South Carolina, respectively. The Gators first ever game was against Rollins, for instance. Jack McDowall is in the hall of fame in part for his work at Rollins. For Erskine, Dode Phillips and the '21 team is legendary. Oglethorpe upset Georgia Tech in 1926 and Georgia in 1929 (Georgia beat Yale that year!). Kansas, Duke, and Texas Tech all have major conference titles. Duke hosted the only Rose Bowl not played in the Rose Bowl due to Pearl Harbor. Wallace Wade and Eddie Cameron loom large. Iowa State is one I could see adding; and I would be for teams like Grinnell and Washington U for the same reasons as the likes of Erskine or Oglethorpe. As I try to fix neglected importance rankings - West Texas State is one I would like done to resolve the confusion of when they were major and not. Washburn was at one time pretty big. I made the 1905 article. Cake (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Good questions. As with other areas of interest on Wikipedia, WP:GNG ultimately determines which seasons warrant a stand-alone article. In the modern era (say 1920 forward), I think it's pretty clear that every Power Five season is sufficiently notable to warrant a stand-alone article. Beyond the Power Five (e.g., Mid-American Conference, American Athletic Conference, Mountain West Conference), other programs' individual seasons may or may not be notable, depending on the level of coverage. In earlier periods, some additional programs had periods of great significance, e.g., Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, and Chicago were major programs up until the 1930s. Some other programs had briefer periods of significance (e.g., Saint Mary's, Carlisle, and Sewanee). I do not believe that every season for every program warrants a stand-alone article. As for Gallaudet, Erskine, Rollins, Oglethorpe, etc., I don't know enough to say whether or not they warrant stand-alone season articles; I will leave it to User:MisterCake to speak to those ones if he cares to do so. I will say this, though: Before we devote substantial time creating single-season articles for little-known historical programs, it behooves us to do the work to ensure that there is sufficient coverage of those seasons to pass the GNG bar. Cbl62 (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think that each Power five season is notable, and likely any FBS level season. We create articles for every FCS team's current season now. But I've never heard of Galludet, or Erksine I'm not saying they aren't notable, but I'm wondering the rationale. I would like to see some FCS champion/D2/D3 champion pages created as well.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Keep in mind
editI think that a lot of these articles need some evaluation before creating. I am all for creating all of these articles but not if it consists of solely a three sentence intro. I corrected some Tulsa articles that claimed they were independent from 1996-98 when if fact they were in the WAC. Also, many of these articles have corresponding standings templates that should be included in them. Finally without schedule tables calling these articles done is simply making a grave miscalculation.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I had not been aware that the Missouri Valley Conference (or the WAC) had standings templates. Thanks for adding them. Cbl62 (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I agree that schedule tables and standings charts are helpful and important (roster lists as well). However, in the context of an encyclopedia (as opposed to a sports almanac or statistical database), it is probably even more important that the article (a) be sourced to reliable sources (hopefully, with formatting that is not a mere bare url) and (b) have some essential narrative text providing basic information about the team. We have many articles that include a schedule chart and standings template, but lack proper sourcing or meaningful narrative text. E.g., 1999 Pittsburgh Panthers football team. Ideally, an article should include narrative text describing as much of the following as can be found: (i) win-loss record (conference and non-conference), (ii) conference membership and finish, (iii) head coach and year of servic, (iv) championship claims, (v) bowl games, (vi) rankings in the final AP and Coaches polls, (vii) significant player and coach honors and awards (including all-conference, All-American), (viii) key team statistical leaders (readily available on SR/College Football for modern era). As the articles progress further, game summaries are also helpful. That said, I am reluctant to adopt a rule that imposes a minimum standard for article creation. Each person does what he or she is willing to do. Collaboration toward incremental improvement is key. Cbl62 (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Additional candidates on the list. (championship edition)
editWould anybody object to having a section not based on program, but small college accomplishments, such as winnning a Division II/III, NAIA national championships. Several of these programs include current FBS members Louisiana Tech, Troy, Central Michigan, Georgia Southern.
Division I FCS
edit1978 Florida A&M Rattlers football team, 1979 Eastern Kentucky Colonels football team, 1981 Idaho State Bengals football team, 1982 Eastern Kentucky Colonels football team, 1983 Southern Illinois Salukis football team, 1985 Georgia Southern Eagles football team, 1986 Georgia Southern Eagles football team, 1989 Georgia Southern Eagles football team, 1991 Youngstown State Penguins football team, 1993 Youngstown State Penguins football team, 1994 Youngstown State Penguins football team, 1997 Youngstown State Penguins football team
Division II
edit1973 Louisiana Tech Bulldogs football team (redirect), 1974 Central Michigan Chippewas football team (needs table), 1975 Northern Michigan Wildcats football team, 1976 Montana State Bobcats football team, 1977 Lehigh Engineers football team, 1978 Eastern Illinois Panthers football team, 1980 Cal Poly Mustangs football team, 1983 North Dakota State Bison football team, 1984 Troy State Trojans football team, 1985 North Dakota State Bison football team, 1986 North Dakota State Bison football team, 1987 Troy State Trojans football team, 1988 North Dakota State Bison football team, 1989 Mississippi College Choctaws football team, 1990 North Dakota State Bison football team, 1991 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team, 1992 Jacksonville State Gamecocks football team, 1993 North Alabama Lions football team, 1994 North Alabama Lions football team, 1995 North Alabama Lions football team, 1996 Northern Colorado Bears football team, 1997 Northern Colorado Bears football team, 1998 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats football team, 1999 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats football team, 2000 Delta State Statesmen football team, 2002 Grand Valley State Lakers football team, 2003 Grand Valley State Lakers football team, 2004 Valdosta State Blazers football team, 2005 Grand Valley State Lakers football team, 2006 Grand Valley State Lakers football team, 2007 Valdosta State Blazers football team, 2008 Minnesota–Duluth Bulldogs football team, 2009 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats football team, 2010 Minnesota–Duluth Bulldogs football team, 2015 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats football team -UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:13, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Carleton and Hamline
editUser:Mnnlaxer removed Carleton and Hamline from the Minnesota teams referred to on the list of historically significant programs. Both are currently Division III programs, so this does not seem out of line to me. If anyone disagrees with this move, please feel free to discuss here. Cbl62 (talk) 08:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Articles Still needed to created
editCincinnati, Colorado State, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Indiana State, Louisville, New Hampshire, Northern Iowa, Penn, Richmond, Temple, UNLV, UTEP, Villanova, Western Carolina, Western Illinois, Youngstown State.
- Why yes, that is why they aren't crossed out on the page example Louisville. Furthermore, the projects members are primarily focusing on FBS teams first. But if you can create articles (also by creating an account) please do. With an account you can add any notable reliably sourced season page you'd like.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Program seasons list
edit@Cbl62: et al. I would like to add a link to the campaign for different seasons lists such as Category:Lists of college football seasons. With all the work that has been done on the type it would be very easy to create these lists. But I don't want to do that unilaterally.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand. Can you clarify? Cbl62 (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't know why I phrased it like that. I want to know if we can add lists such as List of Oklahoma Sooners football seasons, List of Nevada Wolf Pack football seasons to the articles campaign. As they are lists of seasons I think that they would be beneficial to add to the campaign without being too distracting. And since there are a growing number of teams that have articles for every season they've played, it makes these much easier to create/source than previously.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- @UCO2009bluejay: Sorry for the very late reply, but I haven't visited this page in months. I think your suggestion is a good one. Cbl62 (talk) 18:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't know why I phrased it like that. I want to know if we can add lists such as List of Oklahoma Sooners football seasons, List of Nevada Wolf Pack football seasons to the articles campaign. As they are lists of seasons I think that they would be beneficial to add to the campaign without being too distracting. And since there are a growing number of teams that have articles for every season they've played, it makes these much easier to create/source than previously.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
@Cbl62: There is a lot of open territory to expand as well as maintain existing articles.–UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
One-sentence sub-stubs
editThe following is a list of season articles that typically consist of a single sentence of prose and also lack schedule charts. It is a working list of articles that badly need improvement.
Power Five
edit106 articles
Auburn: 1929-1930- Colorado:
1899, 1902, 1904, 1907, 1912, 1914, 1916-1918,1926-1933, 1936, 1939-1940, 1942-1946, 1948-1949 Kentucky: 1892, 1899-1900, 1902, 1905-1908, 1913, 1923-1928, 1940, 1942, 1944, 1956-1957, 1959-1961, 1966, 1969-1973Ole Miss: 1894, 1899, 1902, 1914-1921, 1923-1924, 1926, 1928-1937, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1949,NC State: 1908, 1911-1912, 1914.South Carolina: 1896-1900, 1904-1920, 1926-1931, 1937-1940, 1942-1946, 1948-1952Syracuse: 1908, 1915-1916, 1919-1923, 1926Virginia: 1921-1924, 1926-1930 (single sentence, plus malformed schedules)
Other
editAmherst 1878-1880, 1894, 1903Baker: 1890,1893Birmingham-Southern: 2007Brown: 1891-1900, 1902-1913, 1919-1924, 1927-1940, 1942-1946, 1948-1952Bucknell: 1881, 1883Carlisle: 1894, 1898, 1902, 1905, 1908-1910, 1915-1917CCNY: 1875Centenary: 1922-1923, 1926, 1932-1934, 1939Centre: 1896, 1900Chattanooga: 1926-1929, 1931Colgate: 1927-1928, 1934Colorado College: 1919Colorado Mines: 1912, 1914 1918Dallas: 1909, 1915Dartmouth: 1881-1882, 1884,1886-1894Davidson: 1969Doane: 1890-1892Earlham: 1920-1922Emporia: 1912Erskine: 1922, 1924Florida Southern: 1913, 1919Fordham: 1882-1883Furman: 1889-1900, 1913--1919, 1922, 1924, 1926, 1934, 1978, 1982-1983, 1985, 1989-1990, 2004Grinnell: 1891Guilford: 1893, 1897, 1929Holy Cross: 1935Howard: 1909, 1933, 1935Lafayette: 1922, 1926Lake Forest: 1882, 1888Lehigh: 1909Mercer: 1891-1908, 1911-1922Middle Tennessee: 1935-1936Millsaps: 1921, 1930Mississippi College: 1913-1915, 1927Missouri Western: 2012Murray State: 1933, 1937NYU: 1876Northeastern: 1933–1936, 1939, 1942, 1951, 1963, 2002, 2009Oglethorpe: 1926-1927, 1929Pittsburg State: 1957Randolph-Macon: 1881Rhodes: 2013SMU: 1940Stevens: 1876-1879Swarthmore: 1905-1906, 1878-1879Trinity: 1894, 1897, 1909-1911Tufts: 1979Tusculum: 1916VMI: 1951, 1957, 1959-1960, 1962, 1974, 1977Wabash: 1884, 1904, 1921Washington & Jefferson: 1905-1917, 1919-1920Washington and Lee: 1913, 1917-1918, 1920, 1922, 1924, 1927-1928, 1934, 1950Wesleyan: 1905Wiedener: 1879Williams: 1917Wofford: 2003, 2007WPI: 1888, 1893
If you improve one of these articles, please strike it from the list, as with the main list. Cbl62 (talk) 18:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Other articles lacking schedule charts
editThis is a working list of other season articles lacking schedule charts or containing improperly-formatted schedule charts.
- Arizona: 1965-1969, 1971-1972, 1974-1983, 1985, 1988, 1990
- Arizona State: 1929-1942, 1946, 1948-1952, 1954-1963, 1965-1969, 1976, 1981-1983, 1985, 1987-1993
Bowling Green: 1951-1958, 1960-1977, 1979-2000- Colorado: 1890-1900, 1902-1907, 1912, 1914-1918, 1926-1933, 1935-1936, 1938-1940, 1942-1946, 1948-1949
- Kent State: 1940, 1951-1971, 1974-2001
- Maryland: 1899-1900, 1902-1940, 1942-1944,
- Miami (OH): 1943-1946, 1948-1956, 1958-1994, 1996-1998
- Ohio: 1945-1946, 1948-1959, 1961-1998
- Oregon: 1917-1918, 1920, 1926, 1928, 1930-1932, 1934-1938, 1940, 1942, 1945-1946, 1949
Oregon State: 1939-1940 (non-standard charts)Toledo: 1946, 1948-1969, 1972-1989, 1991-1994, 1996, 1998- Washington State:
1898-1900, 1902-1906,1907-1914, 1916, 1918-1921, 1923-1924, 1926-1931, 1934-1939, 1942, 1945-1946, 1948-1949 (non-standard charts)