Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anarchism

24 edits	Individualist anarchism
15 edits	Camila Jourdan
13 edits	Libertarian socialism
11 edits	Syndicalist Defense Committee (1922)
10 edits	National Workers' Union (Portugal)
10 edits	Noam Chomsky
9 edits	Industrial Workers of the World (Chile)
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6 edits	Bavarian Soviet Republic

These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days. Last updated 20 August 2024 by HotArticlesBot.

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Cleanup drive

Here is the full list of anarchism articles in need of cleanup. Below is a subset for focus during the cleanup drive. Strike out completed items with {{s}} and we'll add more sections as we go.

finished

Biographies of living persons (10) These articles have any cleanup tag but are high priority because we hold biographies on living people to a higher standard Barrett Brown Cristina Perincioli Daryle Lamont Jenkins Dunstan Bruce Gorki Águila Gáspár Miklós Tamás Maya Marcel-Keyes Michel Onfray Subcomandante Marcos Toby Mott Yves Bonnardel Unsourced passages need footnotes {{citation needed}} (69) Search for the passages tagged with {{citation needed}} and either (a) add a source and remove the tag, or (b) remove the passage and the tag if it cannot be verified Alfred Radcliffe-Brown Anarchism and nationalism Anarchism in Bangladesh Anarchism in China Anarchism in Puerto Rico Anarchism in the United States Anarchist communism Anarchists Against the Wall Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria Buenaventura Durruti Chen Jiongming Chiquet Mawet Consensus decision-making Danielle Cain (series) Daryle Lamont Jenkins Debt: The First 5000 Years Direct action Dunstan Bruce East Asia Anti-Japan Armed Front Georges Brassens Giancarlo De Carlo Gáspár Miklós Tamás IWA–AIT Industrial Society and Its Future International Revolutionary People's Guerrilla Forces Issues in anarchism Jean-Jacques Liabeuf José Martínez Ruiz José María Leyva Libertarianism Life and Labor Commune List of self-managed social centers May Days Mexican Liberal Party Montjuïc trial Monuments relating to the Haymarket affair Mutual aid (organization theory) Nadezhda Ulanovskaya Occupy Wall Street Occupy movement in the United States Paris Commune Participatory economics Paul Signac Peacemakers Prison abolition movement Queer anarchism Raul Seixas Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities Revolutionary Catalonia Robert Bodanzky Sacco and Vanzetti San Diego free speech fight Schwartzbard trial Simone Weil Southeast Asian Massif Spanish Civil War Squatting in England and Wales Subcomandante Marcos Sydney Push Thomas Merton Toby Mott Tragic Week (Argentina) USI–CIT Ungdomshuset Urban guerrilla warfare Vera Figner Wall Street bombing Workers' council Yegor Letov Yves Bonnardel Zabalaza Anarchist Communist Front Zapatista uprising Factual verification needed (12) Search for the passages tagged with {{verify source}} or {{vn}}, which indicate that another editor has requested that our article content is verifiable in the citation. If verified, say so in your edit summary and remove the tag. If not verified, either bring the discrepancy to the talk page or resolve the discrepancy yourself by rephrasing or removing content. Anarchist communism Anti-Stalinist left Battle of Peregonovka Black anarchism Earth Liberation Front Egoist anarchism Grass Roots Books Individualist anarchism Issues in anarchism List of anarchist musicians Propaganda of the deed Stateless society Cites unreliable sources (26) Search for the passages tagged with {{Better source}}, {{Obsolete source}}, {{Primary sources}}, {{Unreliable sources}}, {{Verify credibility}}, {{Third-party}}, {{Third-party-inline}}, or {{Circular reference}}. This could be, for instance, a primary source affiliated with an anarchist movement or a reference without editorial distance from the subject. Either (a) replace with a reliable, secondary, independent source and remove the tag, or (b) remove the passage and the tag if no reliable reference exists. Anarchism in Serbia Anarchism in the United States Anarchist communism Anarcho-syndicalism Earth Liberation Front Egoist anarchism Eros + Massacre Expropriative anarchism History of anarcho-syndicalism IWA–AIT Individualist anarchism International Workingmen's Association Issues in anarchism Killing of Tortuguita Leo Tolstoy Lucía Sánchez Saornil Lysander Spooner Mikhail Bakunin Neozapatismo Property is theft! Rewilding (anarchism) Tragic Week (Spain) Treyf (podcast) V for Vendetta (film) Yegor Letov Zapatista Army of National Liberation Zapatista uprising

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Our cleanup backlog has grown since the last drive, so thought we could kickoff another push for the month of May. There are currently 228 articles tagged in total with 386 tagged issues. Can we get it down to zero?

For a place to start, I thought biographies of living people (BLPs) and articles in need of citations would be good. To cross off finished items from the list, there is a link above to edit the section (so as not to bother watchers of this page). Open to any other ideas here as well to make it interesting. Perhaps we should set up a mailing list for editors who have participated in the project previously?

If this is your first time participating in a cleanup drive on Wikipedia, (1) you're invited to be bold and try your best to resolve cleanup issues, and (2) if you have any questions or need a hand, please respond below and someone will help! czar 14:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Oof, there is a lot of work to do on some of these articles. Some should be simple enough to fix but damn, others have much deeper problems that I'm not sure simply addressing the CN tags will solve. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Addressing the {{citation needed}} tags is enough to remove it from this list but if an article needs more support, feel free to bring it to discussion so others can chip in too. czar 03:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, we can't fix everything all at once. It's a work in progress. As much as I'd like to fix everything everywhere, as long as we don't have falsehoods or policy violations hanging around... it's ok that some things are a bit crap. -- asilvering (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Czar: Hey, we seem to have gone way over the limit of templates on one page, which I think has come down to both the cleanup drive transclusion and the recent literature transclusion having introduced a lot more than the page can handle. I manually archived a section and removed a bunch of templates from another, but this problem still persists. I think we may need to consider that striking every resolved entry, rather than simply removing it from the list, is causing problems of its own. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok no, after doing a bunch of archivals and changes, then just fiddling around with removing random hings, I identified the newly-added "Recent stubs" template as the source of the problem. I have temporarily removed it, just so the entire page doesn't break. We need to figure out what went wrong with it before we add it back in. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a backlog drive for sourcing unsourced statements starting tomorrow, which can be a good reason for finishing our above {{citation needed}} list. :)

Also nice work on sourcing List of self-managed social centers, @Graveyardpansy! czar 11:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Ooh we're close to finishing this one off! Don't know how much time I can spend on this area this month, as my attentions are focused on the Women in Green edit-a-thon, but I hope we'll be able to address these last few before the end of the unsourced statements drive. :) --Grnrchst (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your citations on Ungdomshuset, @Replayful! czar 12:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem, I just thought I could help since I know Danish and could get Danish sources. There's still room for improvement in the article :) //Replayful (talk | contribs) 14:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Just finished the last few articles needing citations and/or footnotes. I'll let the cleanup listing reset this week and add some new targets. I think this week will be a big drop in cleanup issue count and we're already halfway (54%) to goal. czar 00:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

We're two thirds (67%) of our way to goal! New cleanup tags added for your consideration above: Factual verification needed and Unreliable source cited. Take a peek and if you struggle with any article, bring it here for discussion as you're likely not alone. czar 04:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

This has unfortunately resulted in quite a few articles being stubbified, which has reversed some of the progress we made with the stub expansion drive. So if anyone has the time and energy to expand some of these stubs, that'd be appreciated. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

We're 85% to goal! Very close to a historical low number of cleanup tasks (56 remain and low is 53, from the 2019 drive). I'll pick up some expansions again once we're down to zero. The way I see it, those articles were stubs but just weren't classified correctly, beneath the cleanup tags and unverified material. czar 12:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Down to just a handful now! czar 04:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Seeing those articles as already stubs is a good way of looking at it. Amazing to see the cleanup backlog down so low! There's only a dozen or so left, which has put it down to a fraction of a percentage point! Excellent work on getting through this, to you and everyone else involved. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Challenges

There are a few cleanups that look particularly challenging and I thought I'd list them here for consideration separate from the list above, in case someone is interested in a meatier project. czar 16:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

resolved

Asterisks for discussions that still have further possible follow-up/expansion despite the cleanup being addressed Talk:Acayucan Rebellion#Incomplete citations - cites a source many times but not page numbers Talk:Alexander Ulanovsky#Rewrite – largely using primary source memoir and needs to be rewritten from reliable, secondary sources Talk:Anarchism in China#Further cleanup and work to be done – cites a source many times but not page numbers *Anarchism in Germany needs to be written as a general history rather than as an overview of German anarchist figures; will require removal *Anarchism in Spain was originally written with general references that were never clear what was being sourced to what, if the content was sourced anywhere at all; needs to be rewritten from sources with footnotes Talk:Anarchist economics#Scope – needs to be greatly culled to basics; is barely readable as is *Talk:Confederal militias#Rewrite – needs to be rewritten from scratch to make organizational sense Talk:Expropriative anarchism#Scope Talk:Fauda (anarchist group)#Notability? FEJUVE only uses a single source and needs some expansion from other listed sources Talk:Governance without government#Created by a sock puppet – consider merging Talk:Grass Roots Books#Source verification Heroic Corps – general copy edit needed to make suitable for a general audience; might want to confirm sources Talk:Issues in anarchism#Merge back into Anarchism § Key issues? *Talk:IWA–AIT#Rewrite *Talk:Left-libertarianism#Synthesis Lev Chernyi needs to address closely paraphrased sources, likely by removal rather than repair *Talk:Lysander Spooner#Factual Accuracy Tag – needs to be rewritten from sources in the bibliography Talk:Mutual aid#Worldwide examples PM Press needs to be rewritten from secondary sources as prose (rather than a list) Talk:Prison abolition movement#Scope Talk:Rewilding (anarchism)#Merge?

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Cleanup drive: 100% complete

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🎊🎊 100%! We're officially at zero cleanup items—the first time in three cleanup drives since 2017, with over 2200 issues addressed. Since 2017, our scope has tripled to nearly 3000 articles on the strength of new translations, new articles, and revisiting and retagging decades-old articles up to today's standards. Some of these final cleanup items were pretty dense challenges looming for over seven years. Congrats to all contributors and looking forward to the next community drive. czar 17:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Viscaaaa! Amazing work everyone. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Recent literature (2024 Q1/Q2)

For not-as-recent lit, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Anarchism/Recent literature

New thread for 2024 and anything we've previously missed. Feel free to add! czar 03:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Books

• Johnson, Steven (May 14, 2024). The Infernal Machine: A True Story of Dynamite, Terror, and the Rise of the Modern Detective. New York: Crown. ISBN 978-0-593-44395-8.

Articles

• Bratton, Francesca (2023). "'Strange symbols to the new dawn': Lola Ridge, Anarchist Networks, and the Carceral Elegy: Irish University Review". Irish University Review. 53 (2): 385–403. doi:10.3366/iur.2023.0621. ISSN 0021-1427 – via EBSCOhost.
• Brown, Henry (February 2024). "The Anarchist in Uniform: The Militarisation of Anarchist Culture during the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939): Contemporary European History". Contemporary European History. 33 (1): 305–322. doi:10.1017/S0960777322000285. ISSN 0960-7773 – via EBSCOhost.
• Cadle, Nathaniel (2023). "Ralph Touchett, Anarchist". The Henry James Review. 44 (3): 207–214. ISSN 1080-6555. Project MUSE 910905.
• Collins, Lucy (2023). "Poet, Editor, Anarchist: Lola Ridge's New York Networks: English Studies". English Studies. 104 (6): 1118–1138. doi:10.1080/0013838X.2023.2257532. ISSN 0013-838X – via EBSCOhost.
• Desjardins, Sophie; Giroux, Annabelle; Gamache, Dominick (February 10, 2024). "Comparison of personality traits of two anti‐oppression groups: Vegans and anarchists: Analyses of Social Issues & Public Policy". Analyses of Social Issues & Public Policy: 1. doi:10.1111/asap.12385. ISSN 1529-7489 – via EBSCOhost.
• di Stefano, Mariana (February 2024). "Lengua y utopía: El movimiento esperantista en España, 1890–1936: Journal of Sociolinguistics". Journal of Sociolinguistics (in Spanish). 28 (1): 93–96. doi:10.1111/josl.12627. ISSN 1360-6441 – via EBSCOhost.
• Etherington, Ben (June 2024). "Is Rewilding Twenty-First-Century Primitivism?". Comparative Literature. 76 (2): 240–259. doi:10.1215/00104124-11052901. ISSN 0010-4124.
• Gowers, Bernard (March 1, 2024). "Graeber and Wengrow's Middle Ages". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 92–108.
• Kaczmarek, Tomasz (2023). "De la Commune à l'anarchie de Charles Malato : le destin de l'écrivain libertaire: Cahiers ERTA". Cahiers ERTA (in French) (36): 137–153. doi:10.4467/23538953ce.23.035.18975. ISSN 2300-4681. EBSCOhost 174591486.
• Kenworthy, Nora; Hops, Emily; Hagopian, Amy (2023). "Mutual Aid Praxis Aligns Principles and Practice in Grassroots COVID-19 Responses Across the US". Kennedy Institute of Ethics Journal. 33 (2): 115–144. ISSN 1086-3249. Project MUSE 904080.
• Kreilkamp, Ivan (2024). "Meat, Flesh, Skin: The Carnality of The Secret Agent". Studies in the Novel. 56 (1): 21–40. ISSN 1934-1512. Project MUSE 921057.
• Miller, David W. (2023). "The Social Prison: Ursula K. Le Guin's The Dispossessed as Postanarchist Critical Utopia". Utopian Studies. 34 (3): 399–417. ISSN 2154-9648. Project MUSE 917445.
• Nelson, Eric S. (2023). "Daoism, Practice, and Politics: From Nourishing Life to Ecological Praxis". Philosophy East and West. 73 (3): 792–801. ISSN 1529-1898. Project MUSE 903375.
• Schwartz, Yossef (2023). "Like Giants Sitting on the Dwarf's Shoulders: Religious Anarchism and the Making of Modern Zionist Historiography: Religions". Religions. 14 (10): 1239. doi:10.3390/rel14101239. ISSN 2077-1444 – via EBSCOhost.
• Sørensen, Majken Jul; Martin, Brian (April 2024). "Beyond nonviolent regime change: Anarchist insights: Peace & Change". Peace & Change. 49 (2): 124–139. doi:10.1111/pech.12663. ISSN 0149-0508 – via EBSCOhost.
• Turbutt, Sophie (February 2024). "Sexual Revolution and the Spanish Anarchist Press: Bodies, Birth Control, and Free Love in the 1930s Advice Columns of La Revista Blanca: Contemporary European History". Contemporary European History. 33 (1): 338–356. doi:10.1017/S0960777322000315. ISSN 0960-7773 – via EBSCOhost.
• White, Stuart (February 2, 2024). "The vulnerability of pragmatic anarchism: contribution to a symposium on Sophie Scott-Brown's Colin Ward and the Art of Everyday Anarchy: History of European Ideas". History of European Ideas: 1–3. doi:10.1080/01916599.2024.2307759. ISSN 0191-6599 – via EBSCOhost.

Book/film reviews

• Bishop, Wesley R. (2023). "Rev. of The Collected Works of Errico Malatesta, Volume III, A Long and Patient Work: The Anarchist Socialism of L'Agitazione, 1897–1898, ed. by Davide Turcato". Journal for the Study of Radicalism. 17 (2): 222–224. ISSN 1930-1197. Project MUSE 920065.
• Genens, Doug (2024). "Rev. of Haymarket: The Bomb, the Anarchists, the Labor Struggle by Adrian Prawica, New Day Films (review)". The Public Historian. 46 (2): 161–163. ISSN 1533-8576 – via Project MUSE.
• Golder, Lauren J. (2023). "Rev. of Debating Anarchism: A History of Action, Ideas, and Movements by Mike Finn". Journal of History. 58 (2): 213–215. ISSN 2292-8502. Project MUSE 915089.
• Hansson, John-Erik (2023). "Rev. of Disaster Anarchy: Mutual Aid and Radical Action by Rhiannon Firth". Utopian Studies. 34 (3): 606–612. ISSN 2154-9648. Project MUSE 917466.
• Patrick, Wil Sahar (December 17, 2023). "Rev. of The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow". Anarchist Developments in Cultural Studies. 2023 (2): 187–210. ISSN 1923-5615.
• Shepard, Nikita (December 17, 2023). "Rev. of Letterpress Revolution: The Politics of Anarchist Print Culture by Kathy Ferguson". Anarchist Developments in Cultural Studies. 2023 (2): 177–186. ISSN 1923-5615.
• Waldron, Caroline (March 2024). "Rev. of Transatlantic Radicalism: Socialist and Anarchist Exchanges in the 19th and 20th Centuries". Labor: Studies in Working Class History of the Americas. 21 (1): 130–133. doi:10.1215/15476715-10949064. ISSN 1547-6715 – via EBSCOhost.

Journals

• Anarchist Studies (2024), vol. 32, no. 1. ISSN 2633-8270
  • Bantman, Constance (2024). "Rev. of Women of Liberty". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 115–117. doi:10.3898/AS.32.1.REV. ISSN 0967-3393 – via EBSCOhost.
  • Bekken, Jon (2024). "Rev. of The Making of Kropotkin's Anarchist Thought: Disease, Degeneration, Health and the Bio-Political Dimension". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 123–125. doi:10.3898/AS.32.1.REV. ISSN 0967-3393 – via EBSCOhost.
  • Lademacher, Marina (2024). "Rev. of The Modern Crisis/Enlightenment and Ecology: The Legacy of Murray Bookchin". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 117–121. doi:10.3898/AS.32.1.REV. ISSN 0967-3393 – via EBSCOhost.
  • Lloyd, Declan (2024). "Rev. of Sculptors Against the State: Anarchism and the Anglo-European Avant-Garde". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 111–113. doi:10.3898/AS.32.1.REV. ISSN 0967-3393 – via EBSCOhost.
  • Margarucci, Ivanna (2024). "Rev. of Direct Action in Montevideo: Uruguayan Anarchism, 1927-1937". Anarchist Studies. 32 (1): 113–115. doi:10.3898/AS.32.1.REV. ISSN 0967-3393 – via EBSCOhost.

• Anarchist Developments in Cultural Studies (2023), vol. 2023, no. 2 ISSN 1923-5615

Special issues

• Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies, volume 29, issue 3, 2023, special issue on Iberian anarchism in twentieth-century history
  Newmark, Joshua; Turbutt, Sophie (September 2, 2023). "Iberian anarchism in twentieth-century history". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 295–299. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282829. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.
  • Brown, Henry (September 2, 2023). "'¡Vivan las tribus!': persecution, resistance and anarchist agency in the Popular Army during the Spanish Civil War (1936-9)". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 357–379. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282836. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.
  • Byrne, Charlotte (September 2, 2023). "A queer problem: writing sapphic anarchism in Spanish Civil War fiction". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 381–402. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282837. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.
  • Campos, Ana (September 2, 2023). "It started on the railroads: the journey of an anarcho-syndicalist in the Spanish Civil War". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 319–333. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282831. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.
  • Doyle, Alex (September 2, 2023). "Transnationalism, class and national identity in the Cuban labour movement (1898-1902)". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 335–356. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282832. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.
  • Duarte, Diogo (September 2, 2023). "'Anarchy in the streets': anarchism, public order and social housing in Portugal (1900-1940)". Journal of Iberian and Latin American Studies. 29 (3): 301–318. doi:10.1080/14701847.2023.2282830. ISSN 1470-1847 – via Taylor & Francis.

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czar 03:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Anarcho-monarchism

This new article needs some attention, if someone has time to review the sources for reliability and depth (describing this concept in more than passing mentions). czar 11:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Czar: After looking at the sources, I've started a deletion discussion. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent death: James C. Scott

I missed it in WP:ITN but James C. Scott died a week ago czar 03:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeing Like a State could really use some work... -- asilvering (talk) 03:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Zapatistas within scope?

I was thinking about @Grnrchst's comment from a few months ago—The Zapatistas aren't anarchists and it's frankly offensive to continue claiming them as such. —and was wondering: Should our project still continue the Zapatista articles in scope or remove the {{WikiProject Anarchism}} banner from them?

They've been historically "claimed" by anarchists in some way, but it hasn't fully borne out in the sourcing. I think of the autonomist movement as being in similar associative circumstances. czar 17:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I think they're relevant to the scope of the WikiProject, I just don't think we should be labelling them as "anarchists" in Wikivoice. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Grass Roots Books

Requesting assistance finding reliable sources and determining notability for Grass Roots Books, a radical UK bookshop. Discussion here: Talk:Grass Roots Books#Source verification czar 13:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:AND

I've been thinking for a while about our series of "Anarchism and..." articles and how we could rework them. I was motivated to raise a discussion about this after @Czar unilaterally merged the article on propaganda of the deed, a very well-defined topic, into the article on anarchism and violence, which always seemed synthetic in scope (it shoves together unrelated text about propaganda of the deed, anarcho-pacifism and random anarchist views on violence, with no clear structure). Per WP:AND, we are supposed to be exercising caution when using "and" titles, yet we have several:

• Anarchism and capitalism
• Anarchism and education
• Anarchism and Esperanto
• Anarchism and Friedrich Nietzsche
• Anarchism and issues related to love and sex
• Anarchism and nationalism
• Anarchism and religion
• Anarchism and the arts
• Anarchism and violence

This makes anarchism rather unique in terms of "and" articles, as most ideologies have few if any. Fascism only has one (Fascism and ideology), socialism only has one (Socialism and LGBT rights), communism only has one (Communism and LGBT rights), Marxism only has two (Marxism and religion; Marxism and Keynesian economics), etc.

Looking at our "anarchism and..." articles, they all seem very randomly cobbled together, with no rhyme or reason to their structure. Their scope is almost inherently broken from the outset, as the "and" opens the door for literally any passing anarchist views on a subject to be inserted in, rather than focusing on sources specifically about anarchism's connection to a certain subject. It could even be argued that it messes with neutrality.

So I wanted to bring up a discussion about these articles. What can we do about them? Are there possible improvements that could be made to them? Should we retitle them to something more well-defined? Or should some of them be deleted or merged/redirected to other articles? From my view, the only one of these I know I'd vote keep on is "anarchism and education", as I know of several sources specifically about it (although it might be better titled "Anarchist education" or something). --Grnrchst (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gobonobo and Asilvering: Pinging you two, as I notice you have discussed the "anarchism and the arts" article above. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I think most of these would survive a deletion discussion because they're topics that are frequently discussed in relation with anarchism. I see them as summary style splits from the anarchism and former issues in anarchism overview topics. Though they might need some work to get in line with how summary style should work, it doesn't warrant deletion. This said, some of these can definitely be further paraphrased and/or merged since they were written and are mostly unchanged from a bygone era of Wikipedia. Personally, I always figured we'd get to these after repairing the main ideology and country articles. Happy to discuss any of these in isolation, which I believe would be most productive. czar 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm with czar here. It's a bit funny to me that these stand out as "suspect" topics on wikipedia, since these are, well, exactly the kind of topics you'd expect to see in an actual print encyclopedia! Of course, actual print encyclopedias tend to be written by expert contributors under the aegis of an editorial board, so there's that. I hear you, Grnrchst, about opens the door for literally any passing anarchist views on a subject to be inserted in - but I don't think this is much different from how every article used to have "in pop culture" shoved into the bottom. That is to say, I think that kind of cruft is just an artifact of how wikipedia is a work in progress, and the cure is simply to write a better article. Easier said than done but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing.

imo, Anarchism and religion is particularly underdeveloped. We might want to break it into that and an Anarchism and atheism article (maybe renaming the first Religious anarchism or something, which I see we currently have as a redirect). At least for me, working with various Paris Commune articles, I've really noticed the lack of context on why these anarchists were so fervently anti-religious. -- asilvering (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

These are all good points, I'll put a pin in this for now. Thanks for the responses :) --Grnrchst (talk) 08:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Timelines on country articles

Do we need Timeline sections on the "anarchism in X country" articles? Since they were added to a few lately (for example) I figured we should discuss before continuing. I'm of two minds: Since they should be sourced to remain in the article, I think they're largely duplicative of what is already in the article. I can see the argument that it's a useful navigational aid, but I'd sooner see that as a sidebar in the related section than rehashing all of the events in the article. I think they make the most sense when the dates can otherwise span multiple articles, like Timeline of the Spanish Civil War or Chronology of the Paris Commune. Courtesy ping @AnarchistHistory czar 22:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

First I'd like to say that I am not a big fan of the timelines, even the ones I've made. If there is a better alternative I am in favour of it.

However, my issue is that there is a lot of information about anarchism across Wikipedia that cannot be easily accessed from a central place. So I think if the timelines were to be deleted and those bits of information were slowly added that could be good. AnarchistHistory (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@AnarchistHistory: In terms of a centralised place for links to other articles, we have the Outline of anarchism, the anarchism sidebar, anarchism bottombar and the Anarchism Portal. Are these along the lines of what you're looking for? Would you be interested in expanding and maintaining any of these? --Grnrchst (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Those are very interesting - I wasn't aware of how good Outline of anarchism in particular is. Since you are both more experienced editors of Wikipedia I will defer to your judgement. I will probably do some work on Outline of anarchism soon. AnarchistHistory (talk) 09:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

If your aim is to improve navigability, which I think is a very important and valuable task to take on, then the outline and our various sidebars and bottombars are the way to go. I look forward to seeing the improvements you have in store for it! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I'd recommend reading the Manual of Style on Lists as well. It may prove helpful for developing the outline. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Now that AH has explained their reasoning for including them is for navigability, I'm definitely questioning their inclusion more. So many of them seem to just be repeating information that's already in the article, which makes me question why they're needed at all (wouldn't this just make timelines a "see again" section?). Sometimes they introduce new information, but then I'm left wondering why that info hasn't been incorporated into the prose rather than shoved into an undetailed list. Also citations are completely absent from many entries in many of the lists, which carries its own set of problems.

We definitely could be taking more steps to improve navigability and simplify our presentation of information, but I don't think timelines in pre-existing regional history articles are the way to go about it. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Batman: Anarky

Batman: Anarky has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)