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A good candidate:

1588 - The Spanish Armada was sighted in the English Channel.

-- PFHLai 03:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

- Probably better on August 8 when the actual Battle of Gravelines took place. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

2012 notes edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Franco-Prussian War (maintenance); Luton Town Hall (maintenance); Massacre of Via D'Amelio (maintenance)
Omitted: Great Fire of Rome; Mary Rose; Mary I of England; Battle of Fromelles (ineligible—maintenance); Farewell Dossier
Included: Battle of Klissow (first appearance); SS Great Britain (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Feyenoord (2nd appearance, last in 2008; rescued from Ineligible); Aung San (7th appearance, last in 2010); Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign 1969–1997 (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 05:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

If Burmese Martyrs' Day is going to be more or less permanent, then I don't see the point of including Aung San a 7th time since they're aspects of the exact same event. For a general variation of topics, Seneca Falls Convention seems to be a much better choice.

--Peter ^Isotalo 18:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

The choice was actually between Seneca Falls and SS Great Britain, as those are the only two 19th century items eligible (Aung San was there as the token Asian item (ie, geographic diversity)). I chose the ship because it was only making its second appearance. But since Great Fire of Rome just got put back on for balance, I'll swap that one out as it has been on every single year (although I really should go with one of the 16th century items for greater chronological diversity). BTW, it's not unusual for an event to show at the same time as the holiday/observance that commemorates it. If we always omitted the blurb in favor of the holiday, September 11 attacks would never appear because Patriot Day is always listed, and that would bring howls of protest, as I'm sure you can imagine. —howcheng {chat} 21:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I can understand that.

Concerning chronological balance, I would not mind pushing Mary Rose for that purpose, but I really, really like Seneca Falls and I think it deserves some preferential treatment because pure social/political topics like it are pretty rare on the mainpage. That it happens to be about women's rights makes me even more partial to its being included every year.

Peter ^Isotalo 23:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

Apart from holidays/observances, no article is guaranteed a spot every year: not even days that many people would consider "important": D-Day, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc. Some articles have been repeated yearly but that's almost always on days where the pool of eligible articles is very small. —howcheng {chat} 00:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

2013 notes edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Omitted: Battle of Klissow; SS Great Britain; Seneca Falls Convention; Feyenoord; Aung San; Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign 1969–1997
Included: Great Fire of Rome (9th appearance, last in 2011); Mary Rose (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Maurice Garin/1903 Tour de France (both: first appearance); Battle of Fromelles (4th appearance, last in 2011; rescued from Ineligible); United Airlines Flight 232 (2nd appearance, last in 2010)

—howcheng {chat} 05:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm looking through the version history, and I could only find the Great Fire in 2011. Where are the other eight?

Peter ^Isotalo 15:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

See the OTD banner at Talk:Great Fire of Rome. Each link goes to the appropriate version in the revision history. —howcheng {chat} 21:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ah. Used to be at 18 July. Thanks.

Peter ^Isotalo 22:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

2014 notes edit

Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Franco-Prussian War
Omitted: Mary Rose; Maurice Garin/1903 Tour de France; Battle of Fromelles; United Airlines Flight 232 (normally would leave this in for the 25th anniversary, but Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was just shot down, so let's not have another air disaster right now)
Included: Battle of Klissow (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Seneca Falls Convention (8th appearance, last in 2012); Farewell Dossier (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Massacre of Via D'Amelio (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible)
Repeats: Great Fire of Rome (2nd consecutive appearance, 10 total; 1,950th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 06:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

I suggest replacing the Rome fire with something of higher quality. It's been at "On this day..." almost every year, but has seen little improvement: it's very short (just over 500 words), relies heavily on fairly uncritical use of primary sources and much of the content is not attributed to any sources at all.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

It happened to be the 1,950th anniversary this year... I tend to give preference to round-number anniversaries. —howcheng {chat} 16:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

2015 notes edit

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Franco-Prussian War (maintenance)
Omitted: Great Fire of Rome; Battle of Klissow; Farewell Dossier; Massacre of Via D'Amelio
Included: Battle of Apamea (first appearance); Mary Rose (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Aung San (8th appearance, last in 2012); Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign 1969–97 (2nd appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: Seneca Falls Convention (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total)

—howcheng {chat} 05:44, 17 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

2016 notes edit

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Battle of Apamea; Mary Rose; Seneca Falls Convention; Aung San; Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign
Included: Mary I of England (6th appearance, last in 2011); SS Great Britain (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Maurice Garin/1903 Tour de France (both: 2nd appearance, last in 2013); Battle of Fromelles (5th appearance, last in 2013; 100th anniversary); Farewell Dossier (3rd appearance, last in 2014)

—howcheng {chat} 16:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

2017 notes edit

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Great Fire of Rome (maintenance); Aung San (maintenance)
New articles (unused): July 2014 Al-Wadi Al-Gedid attack; Giuseppe Castiglione (Jesuit painter)
Omitted: Burmese Martyrs' Day (ineligible—maintenance); Mary I of England; Battle of Kliszów; SS Great Britain; Maurice Garin/1903 Tour de France; Farewell Dossier
Included: Schäffer affair/Georg Anton Schäffer (both: first appearance; 200th anniversary); Great New York City Fire of 1845 (first appearance); Via D'Amelio bombing (2nd appearance, last in 2014; 25th anniversary); Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign (3rd appearance, last in 2015; 20th anniversary); Richard Leveridge (first appearance); Mangal Pandey (first appearance); Yekaterina Budanova (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 16:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

2018 notes edit

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Feyenoord (maintenance)
Omitted: Schäffer affair/Georg Anton Schäffer; Great New York City Fire of 1845; Attack at Fromelles; Via D'Amelio bombing; Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign; Richard Leveridge; Mangal Pandey; Yekaterina Budanova
Included: Battle of Apamea (2nd appearance, last in 2015); SS Great Britain (4th appearance, last in 2016; 175th anniversary); 1903 Tour de France (3rd appearance, last appeared in 2016; Garin normally is bold too but was included on March 3 for his birthday); United Airlines Flight 232 (3rd appearance, last in 2013); July 2014 Al-Wadi Al-Gedid attack (first appearance); Philippa of Lancaster (first appearance); Giuseppe Castiglione (Jesuit painter) (first appearance); Khawaja Nazimuddin (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 16:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

2019 notes edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Battle of Apamea; SS Great Britain; 1903 Tour de France; United Airlines Flight 232; 2014 Farafra ambush; Philippa of Lancaster; Giuseppe Castiglione (Jesuit painter); Khawaja Nazimuddin
Included: Great Fire of Rome (11th appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Mary Rose (4th appearance, last in 2015); Seneca Falls Convention (10th appearance, last in 2015); Via D'Amelio bombing/Paolo Borsellino (Bombing: 3rd appearance, last in 2017; Borsellino: first appearance); Mangal Pandey (2nd appearance, last in 2017) Lizzie Borden (5th appearance, last in 2011; normally appears on June 20); Florence Foster Jenkins (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 16:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

2020 notes edit

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: United Airlines Flight 232 (maintenance)
New articles (ineligible): William McSherry (TFA for 2020-02-07); David Hillhouse Buel (TFA for 2020)
Omitted: Great Fire of Rome; Seneca Falls Convention; Via D'Amelio bombing/Paolo Borsellino; Mangal Pandey; Lizzie Borden (deleted—moved back to original day); Florence Foster Jenkins
Included: Great New York City Fire of 1845 (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 175th anniversary); Luton Town Hall (2nd appearance, last in 2008; rescued from Ineligible); Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign (4th appearance, last in 2017); 2014 Farafra ambush (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Damian Dalassenos (first appearance); Thomas Talbot (Upper Canada) (first appearance); Nicola Sturgeon (first appearance; 50th birthday)
Repeats: Mary Rose (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total; 475th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 18:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

2021 notes edit

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): William McSherry
Omitted: Mary Rose; Great New York City Fire of 1845; Luton Town Hall; Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign; 2014 Farafra ambush; Damian Dalassenos; Nicola Sturgeon
Included: Battle of Apamea (3rd appearance, last in 2018); Battle of Kliszów (4th appearance, last in 2016); Farewell Dossier (4th appearance, last in 2016; 40th anniversary); The Day the Earth Smiled (first appearance); David Hillhouse Buel (priest) (first appearance); Yekaterina Budanova (2nd appearance, last in 2017)
Repeats: Thomas Talbot (Upper Canada) (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 250th birthday)

—howcheng {chat} 06:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

2022 notes edit

Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Battle of Apamea; Battle of Kliszów; Farewell Dossier (ineligible—maintenance); The Day the Earth Smiled; Thomas Talbot (Upper Canada); David Hillhouse Buel (priest); Yekaterina Budanova
Included: Mary Rose (6th appearance, last in 2020); Seneca Falls Convention (11th appearance, last in 2019); The Ordeal of Gilbert Pinfold (first appearance); Via D'Amelio bombing (2nd appearance, last in 2019; 30th anniversary); Provisional Irish Republican Army campaign (5th appearance, last in 2020; 25th anniversary); Philippa of Lancaster (2nd appearance, last in 2018); William McSherry (first appearance); Khawaja Nazimuddin (2nd appearance, last in 2018)

—howcheng {chat} 18:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

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