Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/stations
Whichaway? edit
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Icon request edit
Prefix K for terminus? edit
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TuBHFu edit
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Request for additional icons edit
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S-Bahn Vs. other suburban edit
Are the icons under German S-Bahn stations only for the S-Bahn system or they can be used for any suburban railway system? --Coolguyche17 (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well depends ... within the German wikipedia railway project we discussed on which network to use those icons. Feel free to use them if you think it's appropriate :) axpdeHello! 14:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Cool! Thanks for the explanation :). I guess these icons would give the suburban system a difference from the normal heavy long-distance rail system. --Coolguyche17 (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't anyone update the chart to include available icons? edit
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Missing Station, single direction edit
What are the right codes for missing stations --Triglav 2000 (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- umm, Patience? (I'm getting to creating them as I can, but life gets in the way...) P.S. The same applies to Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/junctions: Loops. Useddenim (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- I see that loops were fixed. At the moment I'm only missing one way stops uBHFrgq and uBHFrfq --Triglav 2000 (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Argh! Who invented those incredible suffixes "rgq" or "rfq"?!? Suffix "f" means "track facing forwards" and "g" means "track facing backwards", how can this go with suffix "q" which means "track running across"??? axpdeHello! 14:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Ahhh…, that would be me. r indicates right side of the line with respect to direction of travel (as opposed to top-to-bottom left or right, since it's not in the vertical orientation), and since there's a direction of travel (indicated by the < in the station mark) we now have forward and go backward. q indicates a horizonatal track-line, as h has been co-opted for helevated. It fit in with the existing names for the vertical icons, and makes perfect sense to me.
- Is directionality based on an absolute reference point at the top centre of the diagram, of on the current direction of travel, which varies at the PoV moves through the diagram? And finally, Argh! Who invented those incredible "+r" or "-f" suffixes?!? And even worse, didn't bother to document and explain them?... Useddenim (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- The q is ok because of track running across, r is ok to indicate the direction of travel, but for what reason ever is there a f or a g?!?
- And it was me who introduced the "+" which became necessary by the growing complexity of the new BSicons. You're right it should have been documented at a central place, but since noone bothered to keep the policies uptodate since the project was copied from de-WP ... axpdeHello! 21:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Possibly too presumptive of me, but I simply took the existing vertically-oriented icons and rotated them to horizontal (hence the q). However, upon further consideration (and much admonishment from axpde), I concede that rrq, lrq, llq and rlq would probably be better names. Any disagreement? Useddenim (talk) 22:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- q does not mean "rotate" ... would it be clockwise or counter-clockwise?? It stands for "track running across", nothing else.
- r stands for "track running to the right", so rr does not make any difference, "track running to the right and to the right"?!?
- lr stands for "track running to the left and to the right" and should be the same as rl which means "track running to the right and to the left! axpdeHello! 12:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- I was actually thinking rr (stop to the right, track running to the right), lr (stop to the left, track running to the right), rl (stop to the right, track running to the left), and ll (stop to the left, track running to the left); based on the existing uBHFlf (stop to the left, track running forward), rg (stop to the right, track running backward), etc., etc., etc. I added the q suffix to make it obvious that it was a horizontal track (as opposed to a turn to the left/right).
- Oh yeah, and according to the esteemed Wikipedia, + means "positive", "addition" or "more", and – means "negative", "minus" or "less"; I'm not sure how that fits into the concept of track diagram directions... Useddenim (talk) 00:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Bad icons edit
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Vanished icon edit
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Found in ja.wikipedia BSicon catalog (ja:Wikipedia:経路図テンプレート/鉄道用ピクトグラム一覧/駅) edit
Useddenim (talk) 01:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
See also sv:Wikipedia:Projekt_linjekarta#Stationer 128.205.48.116 (talk) 16:39, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Station or stop? edit
There's different icons for stations and stops. I noticed in Germany there is a clear definition of stations. In stations trains can change to a different track (i.e. there are more tracks available in the station than there are before arriving and after leaving the station). In stops that is not the case. Is this definition to be considered as an international standard, for which we should use the respective icons in Wikipedia? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Common usage is that a station
(BHF) is much busier and more important than a stop
(HST); however, this is not a hard and fast rule, and some editors use
(uBHF) for all rapid transit diagrams. Useddenim (talk) 12:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)- In Britain, the term "stop" isn't used on railways (although it might be used on light rail/tram systems). At one time, we did have two terms, and there was a legal distinction: "stations" had staff, and "halts" were unstaffed. In about May 1969, the term "halt" was dropped, and since then, all places where trains stop have been called "stations", regardless of whether they have staff or not. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
