Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 35

BOT issues with Bengali categories on TinucherianBot

This bot is malfunctioning badly, and is tagging entirely incorrect articles with the WP:IND tags. For example, it has marked Panna Kaiser, a Bangladeshi politician to be under WP:India. These bugs need to be fixed ASAP. I spent a considerable time today fixing all the mess. --Ragib (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The issue is _NOT_ essentialy a bot malfunction. The issue is on miscategorization with respect to Bengali categories.

Let me explain the operation of TinucherianBot .We feed in a category ( an india related one is selected , say Category:Indian people by occupation ), making a list out of this cat recursively and then running the bot. The BOT automatically identifies talk pages in the list without the banner and adds them. I am selecting different categories from Category:India. It is impossible to go down to every lowest node of the category tree , therefore I run the category (recursive) list from 3-4 levels down the main cat Category:India See User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg .
The problem is the jurisdication of bengali cats falls both in India and Bangladesh.
eg: 1) Category:Bengali newspapers has BOTH Category:Newspapers published in India and Category:Newspapers published in Bangladesh as super category ,which is Wrong. The super category should be compleletly inclusive of all the subcats and articles in it.
2) Category:Bengali people has both people from India and Bangladesh and the cat is lowlevel subcat of main cat Category:India
3) Category:Bengali writers has both people from India and Bangladesh and the cat is lowlevel subcat of main cat Category:India

I have stopped the Bot for now till we fix the issue.
I need comments from the members for fixing this. Please understand the issue is tricky and sensitive so we need to handle this with care.

What do you think of recatergorization of Category:Bengali writers to Category:Bengali writers in India and Category:Bengali writers in Bangaladesh ?

Please dont take any offence in this suggestion. I am suggesting to avoid wrong categorization.

Ragib suggests "Category:Indian people by occupation " should never be a supercategory of "Bengali people" or "Bengali writers". Not all Bengali writers are from India nor from Bangladesh. So, it will be a fallacy to include that as a super cat. Also, "Bengali writers in India" is redundant ... Bengali writers who are from India should already be covered under "Category:Indian writers". Same goes for Bangladeshi writers. "

Thoughts ?? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To clarify, I am suggesting separation of ethnic/linguistic and nationality categories. For example, suppose X is a Bengali (by ethnicity) poet from Bangladesh (or historically, from the region now called Bangladesh). So, X should be under category "Bangladeshi poets" (to denote his national/geographic origin). X shoudl also fall under "Bengali poets" to denote his ethnicity.

The problem with the bot tagging arose because "Bengali X" were marked as a subcategory under Category:Indian people by occupation or something similar, making "Bengali X" categories a descendant of Category:India. This is not necessarily correct, as people of Bengali ethnicity are also in Bangladesh (in fact, the majority 66% of Bengalis are there, but that's a different story). To resolve these confusions, I propose separating ethnicity based categories from Nationality based categories. --Ragib (talk) 05:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

(Parenthetical note: Separation of writers should be by language rather than ethnicity.) --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 09:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sub categories under India - level categories should be Indian states not ethnicities like Bengali / Tamil. Indian Poets should / may have a sub-category named Poets from West Bengal not Bengali poets. Arman ^(Talk) 05:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Poets from West Bengal also has a problem, how about those who were born in anywhere in Bengal before West Bengal was born? I agree with Ragib that more care is needed while making a category part of another category. For a solution, I suggest that Bengali Poets category (and similar categories) should not be part of Indian Poets category, rather Bengali Poets who are Indian also should be categorized under Indian Poets also. BTW, there are a lot of mistakes in this area. For example, just see the various category trees which contain Category:Bengali writers. GDibyendu (talk) 06:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Indian literature by language >> Category:Bengali literature >> Category:Bengali writers and Category:Bangladeshi literature -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 08:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment It seems to me that there should be three category trees separated by ethnicity, language, and nationality. One for writers who write in Bengali, one for writers of Bengali ethnicity (many Bengali writers write in English, for example), and one that is based on nationality People from India, Bangladesh, etc.. So, Amitav Ghosh would be in the ethnic tree and nationality tree but not in the language tree. Someone like Bankim Chandra Chatterjee would be in the nationality tree (India branch), ethnic tree and language tree. Someone like Taslima Nasreen would be in the ethnic tree, language tree and nationality tree (Bangladesh branch). Or, to phrase it another way, why use subcats that combine ethnicity, language, and nationality when the article can be categorized independently in some subset of the three (except, possibly, when the subcat is a terminating placeholder node with several parents).--Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 10:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment on the above - Good idea, with a small issue ... people who died before 1947 , e.g. Bankinm Chatterjee, cannot be in the nationality tree for India (i.e. Republic of India). Republic of India as a nation didn't exist before 1947, and marking people under the nationality tree for Republic of India would be incorrect. Bankim can be under the ethnicity and language trees. Otherwise, the proposal sounds fine. --Ragib (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Noted - thinking about it. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC) see below

I agree with the idea of separating nationality from ethnicity. The only reason why I mentioned about subcategorization by state (e.g. West Bengal) is that, the India country level categories may become too large and there may be a natural tendency to subcategorize such large categories. If such subcategorization is needed, instead of language or nationality, state can be the more appropriate classifier. I didn't quite get GDibyendu's point on problem with classifying by state. If someone was born in a place which is currently in Bangladesh and spent significant part of his work life in present-day West Bengal (e.g. Madhusudan Datt) - is there a problem if we classify him as both "Poet from Bangladesh" and "Poet from West Bengal"? Arman ^(Talk) 03:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

(1) When he was born, there was no West Bengal or Bangladesh. (2) He was born in 1824 and joined Hindu College in 1837, I am not sure whether he could be called a poet by then. (3) He spent a few years in Madras also; do we have to call him a "Poet from Madras" also? (4) Between 1947 and 1971, the place he was born was under Pakistan. Would you mind calling him a "Poet from Pakistan" also? Mainly these are the reasons why I think there is no point in creating separate state-specific categories for cultural arena like literature, film etc. And BTW, "Category:Bengali people by occupation" is a subcategory of "Category:People by nationality and occupation", but it should not be: Bengali is not a nationality. GDibyendu (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• The reason I took time to think on this is because it is a wide issue that is not limited to the categories mentioned.
• Category:Bengali writers is the category for those who write in Bengali, regardless of their nationality, as long as it is Indian literature.
• All others should go under the category of People from India >> People from Bengal. May be clearer at the bottom of the page.
• For people either from Bangladesh, or who write Bangladeshi literature, categories will be sorted out at the bottom of the page.
• There are some other categories in our own India project that need to be renamed and moved accordingly - I'll leave that discussion in a separate topic on this page so the request can be made at the same time, that is, if Tinucherian doesn't mind :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Punjab

I recently noticed WikiProject Punjab's scope includes Punjabs on both sides of the border. It will not be correct to the include it's article count in the Indian assesments. I was thinking we should create a child-project, WikiProject Punjab (India) to be a child project under WikiProject India and WikiProject Punjab. This is similar to what we had done for Bengal and West Bengal. Please let me know your thoughts. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right ... I was also thinking the same -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 02:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, i think that a new wikiproject in a neccessity. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 00:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I created the Punjab workgroup. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 02:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

TFD:Indian Selected Article/Image/List templates

Thoughts ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I have added a proposal on that page stating that 1st one should be changed like other three. Then all four will look good for talk pages. These templates are not for use in article pages. Hope people will agree with that. GDibyendu (talk) 06:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I suggested to use a different image ( not to be confused as the FA star ) and then move all the templates to the Talk pages -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 13:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I am okay with (1) changing the icon to something else and (2) moving it to the Talk pages. I am completely against any use of this in the article page. --Madhu (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No question about putting such things in article pages. Only two articles had it by mistake or whatever of editors, and they have been cleaned today. I also had visited one of these two pages earlier and thought it to be FA. These portal-specific templates are meant for talk pages only. By the way, please come with suggestion for new icon/picture. Please think on the line of "showcase" not "selected". GDibyendu (talk) 14:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably one of our featured images? We need a consensus on this, of course. --Madhu (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Surely we need consensus. Category:Indian featured pictures contains only one pic, which can be clearly identified related to India. That is Taj Mahal. But, Taj Mahal's pic is already used for other things. Among other important (though not featured) pictures, listed in Category:Indian selected pictures, there are some which can be easily (hopefully) identifiable with India: Peacock, Royal Bengal Tiger, Wheel of Konarak, Gateway of India. My vote goes to Peacock (uniqueness) and Wheel of Konarak (clarity of pic). GDibyendu (talk) 15:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Good point pointed by thunderboltz. The parameter portal=yes of {{WP India}} is good enough for the purpose -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 16:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. That's good enough. Since it is part of WP India template, nobody's going to put it on article page and its icon is also commonly used by other portals. GDibyendu (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree too. Thanks to User:Thunderboltz for bringing this to everyone's notice! --Madhu (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Portal:India/Selected articles should show this image rather than old image. Plus, why is Black Pepper in that list? Its not even related to WP India! GDibyendu (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Assessment drive

is now open, and you're all invited to participate! (A few changes may still be made but it should not affect the overall aims and outcome of the drive.) Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

{{Guntur district}}

Can someone please help fix this template? It takes too much space. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done Mspraveen (talk) 05:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks much! Ganeshk (talk) 13:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

{{Metropolitan cities of India}}

I need community input on how cities should be sorted. I had reverted User:Nikkul's change to sort the cities based on the population count. I feel alpha-sort is more reader-friendly and generally the standard with templates. He disagrees. Please let me know your thoughts. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 02:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel a template listing the largest cities in India should list them in order of size, making it clear to the reader which city is larger than another. Templates such as World's Largest Cities do not list the cities in alphabetical order. They are listed in order of size. Its common sense Nikkul (talk) 03:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Without commenting on the specifics of this issue - because I really don't know what the norm for similar templates is - I do wish to point out that there is a fundamental difference between 'most populated urban areas' (an ordering, or at least a magnitude, is implied) and 'metropolitan cities' (no ordering or magnitude is implied). Doubtless there are better examples but I'm not sure that the example provided by Nikkul is a good one. (Parenthetic note: Isn't alphabetical listing also common sense?) --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 03:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Well if it is being sorted by the population count of metropolitan cities, then it's currently being sorted wrong. A metropolitan city consists of the city itself (as a municipality) as well as the surrounding urban agglomeration. Bangalore is therefore not the third largest metropolitan area (although it is the third largest city), and neither is Kolkata the fourth largest metropolitan area (its actually the third largest). See [1] for some clarity on the definitions of "Urban Area" and "Metropolitan Area". Because the subtleties of these terms aren't understood by one and all, I think the table should be sorted alphabetically. Thanks AreJay (talk) 03:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree to Ganeshk's thoughts as per Regents Park & AreJay. There is unanimous support by the assessment department for this position. Mspraveen (talk) 05:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC) & Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment The template takes space of 1 line. I believe it has lot of space to provide some more information to the user(right now it conveys nothing more than 5 names). Nikkul's suggestion of sorting it on basis of population is good but nowhere the template says Mega cities "by population". I think we have 2 options

• Keep the template sorted alphabetically but mention some ranking in ( ) by population in it.
• Sort it on basis of population. Template:Million-plus cities in India is also alpha sorted. I believe there is no Indian template currently which shows cities by population. Similar templates for other nations exists and are sorted on population. FA's like London and NYC have these templates.

Examples - Template:LargestUKCities - Template:USLargestCities - Template:USLargestMetros - Template:Census metropolitan areas by size .. For Canada. - Template:Most populous cities in the People's Republic of China.
I would opt for second choice. Lets sort by population.
By the way, why is Ahmedabad having this template? It's an Indian FA but the template is no way related to city's article. --gppande «talk» 16:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see these: {{USLargestCities}} {{LargestUKCities}} {{Most populous cities in the People's Republic of China}} Having them sorted in order of population is common sense! Imaging if the list of 50 most populated cities in the world was sorted alphabetically! Nikkul (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with Nikkul's suggestion. BTW, there are only 6 mega-cities and probably template name also should be moved to Template:MegaCities of India or similar. GDibyendu (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject India/New articles

Just in case you are not aware of this , Wikipedia:WikiProject India/New articles
User:AlexNewArtBot updates this page with newer articles that might possibly come under the scope of our project. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

A notice to all WP:IND members for comments

Hello all, it is nice to see some of the old guys working. We need to chalk out certain plans to sustain the smooth running of the project. Here are some of the proposals that we may work on an emergency basis:

• Working on the WP:MOSIN- India related articles. We must do certain addition or deletion and place a formal review so that it becomes an approved process.
• Restarting the project's newsletter, it has been stopped over a year now.
• Selection of a Project coordinator, sub-coordinator(s).

Your comments in this regard will be highly appreciated. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 03:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice points that you have brought up here. I'm not quite sure if you would count me as one of the old guys :) but I thought I can chip in with my two cents.

• The project newsletter had caught my eye a while ago and I thought of taking an initiative a couple of months back. Sadly, my RL activities got the better of this initiative. However, I'm willing to contribute to this activity.
• MOS for India-related articles would be quite useful. Would there be one already in place? Thats what I understand from you.

Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Gr8 Idea !

• For the newsletter probably I can also volunteer as I am doing the same for WP:X.
  
• WP:MOS- India related articles is definitely needed
  
• For Project Coordinators , Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators is a good model to follow.
  -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 14:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

• Good idea: I'm all for either revisiting existing proposals on MOSIN or expanding it. Time and internet connectivity may be iffy for me for the next couple of weeks, but I can definitely pitch in and help. Thanks AreJay (talk) 16:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Sounds good to me. I'm around for a while and then will be gone with sporadic connectivity for a while (traveling in India!) but am willing to help out. BTW, User:Rohit nit has been doing a fine job with the portal, especially considering he's on his own. I'm sure he'll be happy to take on formal responsibility for something.--Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 19:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

• I think an MOS for India-related topics is useful only if it confines itself to issues outside the purview or expertise of the main Wikipedia MOS, i.e. to issues where the MOS has nothing to say. Thus, for example, making a recommendation that Mahatma Gandhi should be the chosen name for Gandhi's page, when the main MOS is explicitly against honorifics, and when all major encyclopedias—Britannica, Encarta, Columbia, and Webster's—and Oxford Dictionary of National Biography have the full name, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, is, I believe, overstepping its bounds. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  I'm not sure if you're (f&f) suggesting that the use of Mahatma before Gandhi's name is something that should be included in the MOS for India related topics or is just totally outre as per WP:NC. If the latter, there are plenty of exceptions to the 'explicitly against honorifics'. For example, As such, they should be included in the article title if a person if universally recognised with it and their name is unrecognisable without it. In that case, the appropriate question is whether 'Mahatma Gandhi', 'Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi' or something else is the universally recognized name. --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 15:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that, in respect of Gandhi, WP:MOSIN has nothing to add that is not already in WP:NAMEPEOPLE, which states unambiguously in its third line, "Do not have additional qualifiers (such as "King", "Saint", "Dr.", "(person)", "(ship)"), except when this is the simplest and most NPOV way to deal with disambiguation." (See also Qualifiers not between brackets). I think something specific to a country's naming convention (such as romanization in WP:NC-CHINA) would be appropriate, but not topics that have been treated thoroughly elsewhere. Sure there are exceptions, but in all cases, MOS says, "when in doubt consult a standard mainstream reference work." The standard reference works, all have "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

That may be the case. I'm not suggesting you are wrong but rather that the case for or against Mahatma is not as cut and dried as your original formulation (explicitly against honorifics) implies. Note also that the guidelines in WP:NAMEPEOPLE come with the 'preferably' caveat and that exceptions are mentioned in WP:NC which may (or may not!) apply to MKG. (This is probably completely off-topic anyway!) --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right, Gandhi was an example. My broad point is simply that WP:MOSIN should aim to facilitate things, not create more rules when pre-existing ones might suffice. Many pages might be India-related, but they might not be only India-related. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Looks like Project Newsletter is getting maximum support & volunteers. I am also up for it. I also think we need to focus much on Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Photography as this department is really lacking. In my view we have very few FP for India related stuff and also lots of articles have very few images. --gppande «talk» 15:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Pandeji, You can start working on the Newsletter creation.. By the time I will make a WP:BRFA for TinucherianBot to be able to deliver the newsletters ourselves -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 13:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there any template from past for India Project related newspapers? I am lost as to where to start on this. :-)) Any old template would give me starting point. --gppande «talk» 12:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hope the last version of the newsletter helps. Furthermore, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Outreach#Newsletter newsletter section on the outreach department shall give more insight. Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 12:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

• Count me in (as usual). Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

BRFA for Newsletter delivery of TinucherianBot is approved. Now we can have our own bot to deliver the project newsletters -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Reduce nuisance changes on India related pages

Today's FA had a link on its talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kentucky/Watchall

I tried replacing Kentucky with India but got a red link indicating page does not exist. This seems to be a special page. Does this kind of functionality exist for India project? Any idea what would it take to setup this?

I think just keeping an eye on such a page would help reduce nuisance edits on lots of India articles and also know whats been worked much these days. Its just like having a watchlist for entire project :-) --gppande «talk» 12:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It is simple with the help of User:SQLBot. Like I did for WP:IX at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Christianity/Articles . It is auto populated by the Bot. Therefore we can watch them at Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indian_Christianity/Articles . But considering this project articles is over 30K , the page will be huge.

If there is an agreement here, i will place a request. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 13:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Good idea--Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 13:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Nice thing. GDibyendu (talk) 14:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Support I knew Tinu wud come up for this! - Nice to have you with us buddy --gppande «talk» 14:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

This–Special:RecentChangesLinked/List_of_India-related_articles is the closest we've got as of now. Long since it was updated. I think it'd be nice if you can get it automated, Tinu.--thunderboltz^(TALK) 15:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) . I have made a request at User_talk:SQL#WP:INDIA_Watchlist_Articles -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 16:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

( User:SQL havent responded yet ... Ganesh, does you bot have this feature ??? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 13:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we have this feature at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Articles. It is split into 7 sub-pages due to page size limits (currently writes 6000 articles per page). It is not on a schedule. I have to manually run the program to update the pages. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

And there is a List of India-related articles page that is manually updated. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Does it have the 40K+ India articles ?? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 11:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The bot-created page does have 40K+ articles. It creates the pages based on the links to the {{WP India}} template. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 12:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

But this does not look like watchlist. --gppande «talk» 12:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Here are the links you are looking for,

Main page

Page1

Page2

Page3

Page4

Page5

Page6

Page7

Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Use this link as Special:RecentChangesLinked/List_of_India-related_articles . Gr8! I guess we are done ... Thanks Ganesh-- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 12:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Gr8  Done --gppande «talk» 14:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Satwant Kaur Dogra

This article is in serious need of some assistance, and unfortunately improving it is far beyond my areas of expertise. I was unable to find any online sources on the subject apart from this news report, and am therefore not convinced it meets WP:POLITICIAN. I was inclined to send it to AfD, but if anyone could help ascertain notability (or lack thereof), it would certainly be appreciated :) Thanks, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It does not seem the article meets WP:POLITICIAN. She has not "received significant press coverage'. And definitely she has not held any significant political office.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. A district level TUC president hardly seems notable. --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 19:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That's all I needed to hear. Now at AfD. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit, also to be held in Cebu. The Philippine Wikipedia Community is an Implementing Partner of the Open Source Summit. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to meet people from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. You can register for the Open Source Summit here. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community
WP:PINOY 17:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Watchlists

Ganeshbot has created watchlists for each of the workgroups. This allows for watching articles over smaller subset of data/area of interest. They can be accessed at the /Articles page. Examples: WikiProject Karnataka/Articles, WikiProject Protected areas of India/Articles and WikiProject Chennai/Articles. Can anyone please publicize this at each workgroup page? Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done I have notified all the workgroups. -- Ganeshk (talk) 11:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Gr8 Work ! , Ganesh... This is of good help to the prjt and workgroups -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 11:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Lovely work there, Ganeshk. That makes things a lot easier for WP:India Patrol. Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 16:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Tourist attractions in Mumbai

In my view, there are too many images in this template but User:Nikkul doesn't think so and has reverted removal of the imgs. I will like a Comment preferably on template talk from Membeers of Project India to build a consensus to resolve the issue. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess there is no need for removal of the images , as the the templete show is hide by default. The template looks kewl in those images -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's fine too. It is, after all, a template for tourist attractions! --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 09:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it is fine, but maybe the images on the template header be removed. With their microcosmic size, they don't really add much to the template anyways. Mspraveen (talk) 16:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Images fine, somebody look at the text please. Why are there so many tourist attractions with no article links. Example: Infinity Mall --gppande «talk» 16:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think its fine especially since the images are aligned. The tourist template should appropriately have images that describe the topics. Nikkul (talk) 18:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted. The inclusion criteria is highly subjective. How can Metro Adlabs or Crosswords Mall said to be a tourist attraction? FYI the mall is deserted these days. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I did wonder about some of the entries. I've been to Phoenix Mills (that noodle bar is phenomenal!) and was a bit surprised to see it included as a tourist attraction but figured 'what do I know?' Is there a norm of sorts for tourist attraction templates (i.e., is it generally acceptable to include them in city articles?) --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 19:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:India Spotlight department

Hello everybody. At WP:India, we have the following departments to serve different purposes - Outreach, Assessment, Collaboration, Peer review, Photography and Cartography. While a frequent visitor to WP:Films, I realized that we lacked a Spotlight department - a department that could serve the purpose of highlighting or spotlighting those articles that have achieved merit of quality as a part of this Wikiproject. Ranging from Featured Articles, A-class articles and Good Articles, we can have a variety of topics included within this department. For an idea, please visit their spotlight department to understand what I'm talking about.

• What does it serve? It serves the members with what is currently being reviewed or which articles have achieved FA- or GA-ship. As far as I recollect, I never had much idea about any active FAR's or FAC's unless and until a few co-editors highlighted them to me on my talk page. Furthermore, it will add value to the Wikiproject by serving as a one-stop page to seek the best articles under our workgroup in an updated manner.
• How else does it add on? Once we have the monthly newsletter back on track, the spotlight department's statistics can easily help add content to the newsletter's news section about the latest articles.
• Other uses? Maybe you can chip in with your thoughts...

For starters, I created this in my sandbox. Hence, I moot this proposal to the members and seek your opinion in this matter. Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We have a WikiProject India/Featured and good content page to display/hightlight India-related FA and Good articles. We use Dashboard to display active FAR's and FAC's. I would support reorganizing content into a Spotlight department as you mention above. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Dashboard was not updated regularly during last 5-6 months. many FACs, GACs and FARs were missed. IMO, a well-organised and active spotlight department will be helpful.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ganeshk and Dwaipayan for your comments. I'll be working on the Spotlight department and once I have the final draft of it, I'll put it up for one final round of discussion before starting the department. Mspraveen (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability/ Deletion Notice

User:Lillycottage has deleted some material from the page Sabarna Roychowdhury and the page has been tagged for notability and other cluses. I think it would be wrong to delete historically importanat pages such as these and request assistance from other editors in the matter. - Shiben Dutta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.206.149 (talk) 06:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. Looking at redlink I thought it is already deleted. Sabarna Roy Choudhury is high-importance article for history of Calcutta. GDibyendu (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the action taken. The user seems to be one of a group that belongs to the Brahmo Samaj and have been defiling pages at will for some time. They have a particluar point of view and are trying to delete material not conforming to their views. They are anti-Keshub Chunder Sen and has already defiled the page, deleted his photograph and the page links to Wikiquote. There is need for vigilance so that they do not damage pages that they do not like. - Shiben Dutta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.206.149 (talk) 07:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Vadama

Can someone take a look at this? There is some POV editing going on, but I don't know enough about the subject to intelligently revert bad changes. Thanks.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 12:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Bhaktivedanta Narayana

Presently there is a debate concerning the notablity of Bhaktivedanta Narayana. Does anyone know if there are sources in Hindi that might offer some evidence to whether or not he is a notable Hindu religious leader. I have looked through the english sources and they offer little assistance. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup listings

Thanks to User:B. Wolterding and his bot, User:WolterBot, we have cleanup listings for the India project and the workgroups. They are available at "/Cleanup listing" page of each project. Example: Kerala Cleanup listing. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thatz gr8 Ganesh . I have added the link in {{WPIndia Navigation}} . I used the {{BASEPAGENAME}} and hence it will list appropriately when used in workgroup pages also ( if available ) -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 09:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Indian Project Members help out pls

There is a registered book Brhmaand Pujan written in 1999 from a well known writer of India Naresh Sonee. Notability issue could be sorted/verified out from this site-

http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com/ . Acquainting you here, Wikibin engine had captured these two sites from Wikipedia. They are as

http://wikibin.org/articles/brhmaand-pujan.html

http://wikibin.org/articles/naresh-sonee.html

However one can come across infinite hits on search engines about Naresh Sonee or Brhmaand Pujan

Your good selves can go through the same and verifiy for assertments. The author has introduced a self based unique logical philosophy one of it's kind. Presently, how can I re put some information again on wikipedia. As time & again it get deleted on bias by a certain community in wiki ? Can you put my case/cause across wikiIndian portal members or Chairman of wikipedia? Or if possible can you put the same pages again by editing them as required picking up from wikibin promoting the sames. Regard --Dralansun (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Field parameter on India banner

I have added a field parameter to {{WP India}} template. This allows for creating statistics tables for subject areas that do not have taskforces/workgroups yet. Examples: economy, biography, companies, transport, railways, roadways, sports, culture, dance, food, music and so on.

To setup stats for railway for example, you can use,

{{WP India|field=railways}}

This will create assessment statistics under topic, "India (railways)".

If you are interested in using this feature, let me know, I will need to setup the assessment categories for the topic you are interested.

Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 10:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

How is this going the identify the particular parameter from the articles for stats ? Say I want 'food' -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It will have to be provided at the banner. See my edit to Pongal (dish). "India (food)" statistics will be available at the next bot run. I tried running the bot manually, it did not work...this will have to wait until tomorrow. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 11:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

A quick question: can more than one field be added? And, two more: (1) Does it make sense to add fields for science (for scientists and research institutes etc.) and education (school/college/universities etc.)? (2) Why don't we start these workgroups? GDibyendu (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

1. No...only one field is currently supported. If needed, we can add field2, field3.... paramters.

• I have added support for additional parameters, field1, field2 and field3. Regards, <font color="navy" Ganeshk (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

2. We need to create workgroups only if some members are interested in working together on a topic. Otherwise workgroups just turn out to be inactive WikiProjects. Once a group of people are interested in starting a taskforce/workgroup, all the articles under the field category can be moved to the taskforce categories.

Hope that clarifies. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• I was thinking of a easy way to create topic statistics. WikiProject Mathematics had implemented this feature in a more elaborate way. See User:VeblenBot/MainTable and one of the subject areas, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Wikipedia_1.0/Algebra.
• I often stumble into India-related articles that do not have a taskforce yet, and would be thinking if there was a way to tag them with their topic.

Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The stats for our example, "India (food)" are ready:

India (food) pages by quality
Quality	Total pages
Assessed	0
Total	0

The same can done with any other topic.

Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 13:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• this seems foolish. ONLY 2 indian dishes on wikipedia? Something is wrong with the bot. 195.189.143.58 (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Got it. But it need's lot of homework first to populate the field. Maybe need a bot for that too. This is becoming botpedia. 195.189.143.58 (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have added field-importance, field1-importance, field2-importance, field3-importance to add the importance values for the respective field parameter. See Talk:Pongal (dish). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 03:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)