Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Gertie the Dinosaur/archive1

File:Gertie.jpg should state the film as the actual source

Do you mean in the caption, or file description? Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• File description. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Winsor McCay 1906 with cigarette.jpg - proof of publication?

I could've sworn it was a publicity photo for his vaudeville performances, but I can't find a source that states that. I've replaced it with File:Winsor McCay 1906.jpg, a 1906 photo that was published at least as early as 10 February 1907 in the New York Herald (the full page from that paper is reproduced on page 122 of Canemaker 2005). Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Winsor McCay - Dream of the Rarebit Fiend 1913-05-25 panels 3–6.png is fine, although a JPG will render better in articles

File:Gertie the Dinosaur.ogv is fine; see article's talk page about higher resolution versions

I assume (hope) FunkMonk's handling this. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Winsor McCay (1914) Gertie the Dinosaur - Gerite carries MccCay in her mouth.jpg should state the film as the actual source, with Examiner as the immediate source.

Done. Actually, it appears to be an original drawing (the registration marks don't show in the film). Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Gertie stacks of drawings.jpg - May want to state that this was in the film

Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• I meant on the description page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Gertie Variety.jpg - Link if available. Page is necessary

Archive.org has The December 1914 issues of Variety. On page 44 of the 19 December issue (p136 of the file) there's a cropped version of the advertisement, but it's not the exact same ad that appears in the file. The defferences are the text portion at the top is chopped down to "Mr. McCay's Great Act", and there is a list of dates at the bottom. The file itself is clearly not taken from any December issue of Variety, but the artwork (including all the hand-lettered text) was clearly in print in 1914. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Gertie dinner party.jpg - May want to state that this was in the film

It already says: "in a live-action sequence made for the film's theatrical release." Is that inadequate? Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• I meant on the description page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:The Sinking of the Lusitania (Winsor McCay, signed cel).jpg is fine.

File:Winsor McCay - Little Nemo - In the Land of Wonderful Dreams - 1913-09-21 - Flip in the Land of the Antediluvians - panel 9.png is fine, although a JPG will render better in articles

File:Gertie On Tour.ogg - I'm pretty sure this is fine, as the film was never registered for copyright.

Either way, as McCay died in 1934 and owned the copyrights to all his films, it couldn't have been renewed. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• In theory, his estate could of. The LOC seems to imply that this is PD, and I see no issues. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Gertie the dinosaur standing on a cliff edge looking at a mastodon.tif is fine, although a jpg version is also available.

• How does this not have any supports yet?
• keyframes - space or no space?
  • It appears both are in use ("keyframe", [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22key+frame%22&oe=utf-8&oq=%22key+frame%22&gs_l=heirloom-serp.12...0.0.0.27167.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac..15.heirloom-serp.ZSXYmgO8ISU "key frame"). The source used "keyframe", and the Wiki article used "key frame". Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• United States National Film Registry. - United States or US?
  • I'm not sure. I'll go with whatever anyone with an opinion prefers. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • I'd stick with US, but either one is acceptable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:47, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• McCay's first film - link the film
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• a May 25, 1913 - Combine the explanatory notes after this
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• What's with the footnote in a footnote?
  • I've changed the way I've handled this. Check it out and see if there are any issues. Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
• Some PNG comic strips are not displayable as they are too big; need JPGs.
• Some of the footnotes on the strips' different names seem unnecessary for this article.
  • I've cut back, but not eliminated it. Some of the individual strips mentioned appeared when the strips were under different names. Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
• after taking advantage of McCay's lapse to patent many of McCay's techniques, including the use of registration marks, - any way to avoid repetition of "McCay"?
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• McCay registered the copyright for Gertie the Dinosaur on September 15, 1914. - Any reason why he took so long? Also, shouldn't this be in the body of the article?
  • It was, but I didn't think it read well. It also seemed kind of incidental. I wouldn't fight it if someone put it back in.
    I have no idea why it took so long. Perhaps he thought it was an unimportant technical detail? Maybe it took that long to process? Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • It might be worth mentioning around the time of his first screenings. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• Palace Theater - Do you mean Cadillac Palace Theatre?
  • It couldn't be, as it didn't open until 1926. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• Any reason for not using File:Gertie the Dinosaur poster.jpg?
  • It was originally the infobox picture. I removed it because I thought a film still would be better. Also, I'm almost positive that it's not McCay's artwork. There's a really nice poster for the French version that's also not by McCay. In the end, I just ran out of space for more images, so I gave precedence to McCay's own work. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• Bad Luck! - As in the original?
  • Yes. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• The sentence about McCay's death is not quite relevant; you already have his lifespan above.
  • I thought it emphasized how he was near the end of his life when he started taking shots at the animation industry. I think it's the impression that The Boulevard of Broken Dreams has left on me. If someone took it out, I wouldn't fight for it, though. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• which deteriorates and becomes inflammable in storage. - which deteriorates and is highly flammable.
  • Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• since 1967 the original prints of all of McCay's films have been stored at the Cinémathèque québécoise film conservatory in Canada. - Why in Canada?
  • Canemaker on p255 quotes Maurice Sendak that America "still doesn't take its great fantasists all that seriously". Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Might be worth noting (certainly struck my curiosity) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
      • I've expanded the story and added a footnote with the Canemaker/Sendak quote. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• McCay's son Robert unsuccessfully attempted to revive Gertie with a comic strip called Dino, - When?
  • I couldn't find an exact date. I've found mentions of it going back as far as 1947 in Waugh's The Comics, but I can't find a date (even in blogs, etc). Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Alright, no biggy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
• That's it for prose. Looks quite good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, plot summary is inaccurate (we don't have to cite secondary sources for this, just watch the film). He throws her a pumpkin, and she tosses the mammoth in the lake after it walks past her, throwing a bolder at him when he sprays her.
  • No, it was an apple in the original. It was made a pumpkin in the intertitles in the theatrical release. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Worth noting as a footnote or in text, then, at the very least to avoid "corrections" like this one. Just watched again and, yes, it does look like an apple. However, the mammoth bit is still inaccurate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Done mammoth. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Done & reffed pumpkin. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)