Wikipedia talk:Donated artwork/List of articles needing images

Nobel laureates

I added the Nobel laureates for physics, peace, and economy from List of Nobel laureates. I think you may have wanted to only list living people, but while I was at it, I just added the whole list. Please feel free to remove as appropriate. Maybe someone else can add the Nobel laureates for chemistry, medicine and literature. — Sebastian 03:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Fantastique!!! These are great because they have many, many non-English Wikipedia articles!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I think we should remove all 2014 and 2015 Nobel laureates. There is a good chance, by the time a work is produced, that a photo will be provided. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:07, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Sure, if you feel it's the best way to deal with the problem, I have no objections. But please see Wikipedia talk:Donated artworks #Concern: Photographs may override drawings. — Sebastian 04:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

BTW, interesting that I got a few false positives. In many cases I just had looked at the pop-up preview; so it turns out that's not a reliable way. — Sebastian 05:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Replace_this_image_[fe]male

There are two images, File:Replace_this_image_female.svg and File:Replace_this_image_male.svg, which theoretically should be great for finding needed portraits, but somehow I don't get the What links here feature to display any articles. (One article that uses it is Émile Derlin Zinsou). — Sebastian 07:43, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Nice idea! I'll check into that now... Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, odd. Maybe it has stopped being used in the mainspace. I haven't seen it in the mainspace in years. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

No, it should at least show Émile Derlin Zinsou. — Sebastian 15:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

"If no image is available yet, do not use an image placeholder" (Template:Infobox person#Parameters). They are not a great way for finding articles that need portraits, unlike the Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people is. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 13:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Heads of state

Hi, Sebastian. I just spot-checked some of these. I am not sure if they are appropriate. Low page hits. Low other language Wikipedia (OLW) article numbers. I think we should try to see if from an artist's perspective. Too many choices, they may pick none. A nice handful, and they may feel like they better do one before someone else grabs the opportunity. Also, they want exposure. 50 hits a month and two other OLWs? Why would they draw that? Finally, the subject is important. Artists and art students are young often trendy. Some old fuddy-duddy might not sell. Pop stars and sports figures are almost always have images because they are in front of cameras a lot while performing or playing. I'm thinking movie and TV people are good choices. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:57, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I was disappointed, too. I would have thought, with the world becoming a smaller place, we'd be more interested in each other. But it can't be whether someone is often in front of a camera, or else Kim Jong-un would not be more trendy than all other unpictured heads of state together. Please don't feel you have to leave them in the list out of sensitivity for the work I put in this. I'd recommend to keep a couple, though, so that we have some variety. The reason I collected groups of people was just because it was an easy way to come up with articles that at least meet certain notability standards, not because I think we should focus on certain groups. — Sebastian 15:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Not at all. :) I trust your judgement. I actually often question mine. I am just thinking of how students will see the list. I don't want them to zone out or for hot items to get buried among the less popular items.

Anyway, no worries. Add whatever you like. The list is sortable, and artists can browse. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of "sortable": Since this is addressing people who are not necessarily familiar with the mechanics of Wikipedia, it would be useful if the list were already sorted by some useful criterion. You seem to favor page hits, so why not sort by that? — Sebastian 16:28, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly how it is sorted now. They should all be in order of hits. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Sort of.... Takaaki Kajita is out of place because the figures are for 2015 10. Plus, a photo for that could come up, so it being buried is not so bad. One or two more may be out of place. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Variety

I think it is important that we start this initiative with a nice bouquet of very different articles which we can present to the artists. If, as you say, they will pick movie and TV people, then we can always provide them with more of that later. — Sebastian 15:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

At the same time, I agree with your scarcity argument ("Too many choices, they may pick none"), and think we should keep the overall number of subjects down. We could thin out the existing list so that we have no two people from the same category: Only one physics Nobel laureate, only one prime minister, one president, one UFC fighter, one "Empire" actor, and so on. If we do that, we could move the others to a separate page (maybe "black sandbox", since you like colors), so we can easily find them later without having to leaf through the page history. — Sebastian 16:09, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

My preference is to keep the list a reasonable length. I will defer to your judgement, but I still think this is about exposure. The artist would likely ask "How many people will see this?" and "Does the subject matter to me, to friends, to a future employer? Is this a famous person or some Tasmanian chemical engineer?" So, known and big numbers probably count most from their perspective. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Setting the bar for inclusion

Hi, Sebastian and others. I'm thinking 30,000+ monthly hits and/or 15+ other language Wikipedia (OLW) articles. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

We're only exploring, and we want to present a variety (I hope we agree on that; see above), so I don't think hard thresholds are useful at this time. It's not that we're edit warring over our list and need to resort to hard rules as a common denominator. If you do want to set a bar, I would rather go for long-term measurements because of Wikipedia talk:Donated artwork#Concern: Photographs may override drawings. — Sebastian 15:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I've been trying to find a variety too. Nobody wants all movie stars. And it's me, Anna! I never war. :) :) :) If you want those items in, that's totally okay with me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Holding pen

I've started Wikipedia:Donated artwork/List of articles needing images/Holding pen in case we get too many items or decide to prune the list. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Former or current

You reverted here, but most are former, right? Plus, first caps per some serious shoehorning of MOS:BULLETLIST. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

7 of the 21 are former. — Sebastian 19:17, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Sorry for the mass-addition of "former". :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Picture that you recommended has been removed

Hello Anna, after I had listed Daniel C. Tsui‎ here as requiring a picture, you had taken him from the list with the recommendation to crop it from the existing group picture. So I invested some time doing that, only to be reverted for "obvious" reasons. This is the second time since I started my Wikibreak I'm being reverted by an editor in good standing, and I hate getting the same treatment as a vandal. This just adds to my conviction that my time is better spent elsewhere. Please take care of the Tsui picture business; I'm outta here. — Sebastian 21:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sebastian, I'm so sorry I didn't inspect the quality of the group image well. I didn't realize it was so small. Sort of on the line in terms of worth. You've been pinged at Talk:Daniel C. Tsui. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

PD image of David Geffen

There is a PD image of David Geffen from the White House here: File:Ford B0144 NLGRF photo contact sheet (1976-06-06)(Gerald Ford Library).jpg (frame 32A) – at least most of his face, maybe it can be of use? – Brianhe (talk) 03:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I think it is below the threshold for use. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)