Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest

submissions?

how will a submissions system work for this? should we use the same system as the WikiCup? or something else... i have very little preference on that front, but i'd like to require submissions to designate which country they're submitting for. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 23:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah it could be the same system as the WikiCup with additional rule that submissions must include the primary country claimed. For example, if one did the Eritrean–Ethiopian border conflict they could claim it as either, but the bonus multiplier will depend on that explicit choice made by the submitter. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 00:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

great idea! (although both Eritrea & Ethiopia are least developed, so it wouldn't matter for the multiplier). i think we could allow people to include multiple countries in their submissions, but only claim one for multiplier & point purposes. i think it would be fine for someone to submit a Nagorno-Karabakh conflict article (for example) for both Armenia and Azerbaijan & get credit towards the "most countries covered" award for both, though. hope that makes sense ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Like I mentioned earlier somewhere, I don't think we'll be dealing with a volume of submissions large enough to merit subpages WikiCup-style; at least not for now. A regular backlog drive–style page with sections for each participant should work just fine, maybe with a couple of columns to track the number of submissions and coordinator-approved points. I like the idea of "claiming" the country or countries that have been expanded with the submission — maybe just a {{flagicon}} or two before the links, which would give the page some color. I know Women in Red sometimes does that. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

this works for me; i agree that there is not a real need for subpages (which would also be a lot of maintenance) & a single page will probably be fine. flagicons sounds fun :) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 05:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I've never participated in any of these events. Reading the rules it mentions a submission page. Can somebody point me in the right direction as to how to set it up? HarveyPrototype (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@HarveyPrototype: The submissions page is still under construction, but you can find it at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Submissions. Both it and the main project page will be updated with more information when relevant. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you HarveyPrototype (talk) 01:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Do we submit the article after they've been reviewed? In draft form? Complete the article and share it for submission? HarveyPrototype (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

HarveyPrototype, point scoring milestones are only available for published articles, so drafts would not qualify. You can see my 2022 WikiCup submissions page to see how articles are submitted for points, for example. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 04:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok lets see if I understand.

1. Where do I find the project page DCWC/2024/Submissions/{user} in order to create my submission page.

I would like to see if a couple of participations are considered. The first would be Cooperative University of Colombia it was a stump but since I was working on a list which mentioned the university I proceeded to add the information that I knew.

The second would be the following List of universities in Ecuador

And finally I've been working on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ecuador to organize it and make it more readable see:Wikipedia:WikiProject Ecuador/Missing articles HarveyPrototype (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@HarveyPrototype: The current plan is to have all participants' submissions on a single page; each editor will get a sub-heading to list their work. The two articles you've linked should fall within the scope of this contest, though the coordinators may want to chime in on that. However, you will have to put the article through one of the processes listed at the scoring page to get points. Also, note that the contest only opens for submissions on July 1. And while WikiProject organization is a valuable and appreciated addition to the project, this contest is content-focused — "back-end" contributions don't fall within its scope. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@HarveyPrototype: Plans have changed! Participants will now have dedicated subpages for their submissions owing to the number of editors who have signed up so far. More information will be forthcoming towards the start of the contest. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Multiplier template

Hi! Is someone here skilled enough to make a version of Wikipedia:WikiCup/Multiplier that would work with our multiplier criteria? — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 14:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ixtal: Done, see Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Multiplier. The DYK bonus points don't get multiplied, right? – Hilst [talk] 15:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Question

Is the country Bangladesh under this contest? Mehedi Abedin (talk) 00:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

It is; see Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring § "Least developed" countries. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Fauna/flora articles

Are species of animal/plant/fungi that live mainly or entirely in a developing country eligible to be claimed for that country? For example, could black-headed tailorbird be claimed for the Philippines? AryKun (talk) 10:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, AryKun. The threshold we're using to determine whether a subject falls within the contest's scope is based on how closely associated or significant it is to the country in question. In this case, the fact that O. nigriceps is endemic to the Philippines and has been commemorated on a stamp indicates to the coordinators that it is indeed associated and should be eligible for points. Please feel free to bring specific questions like these to the talk page if there are any doubts in the future! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

"Combat systemic bias on Wikipedia and earn special awards" at the top of everyone's watchlist

Is having a banner basically saying "Wikipedia sucks" at the top everyone's watchlist really appropriate? I'm not sure advocacy for such a subjective subject belongs in Wikivoice. And who decided on that verbiage? Was it the product of consensus? Marcus Markup (talk) 12:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

It is well-known and well-documented that en.wiki has a WP:Systemic bias, but I don't think that means Wikipedia sucks! Similar drives are held reasonably regularly. What might alternative wording be? CMD (talk) 12:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Marcus Markup, I'm not sure "wikivoice" is a term that can be applied to text outside of the encyclopedic articles. Watchlist notices do not require site-wide consensus regarding their wording. Calls for signups for other events, such as GAN drives, copy-editing drives, and the WikiCup this contest is based off are frequently placed on the watchlist. I disagree that the wording implies "Wikipedia sucks". I do not think "bias" is an inherently accusatory or negative word, and I hope that other editors reading the notice instead see it as an optimistic and excited call for action. "Let's make the site better!" is kind of the spirit I get from the message and which I was feeling when we started brainstorming this contest. I encourage you to sign up as well! Based off of your editing activities, articles like Chess in China or Chess in India seem like great articles to get your first GA with and which would qualify for this WikiContest. ^u^ — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 15:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Great idea

I do not have time to participate this year but I'm glad you organized this and hope it turns out with great article improvement results. (t · c) buidhe 13:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for well wishes, Buidhe! Should everything go smoothly this time around, we're hoping to make this a recurring event. Maybe next time! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I need an explanation

I just saw the notification banner and came here, but I really can't understand what this WikiContest is about... Could someone clarify it for me. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Vestrian24Bio, how familiar are you with the WikiCup? — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 17:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Never even heard of it before... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

this WikiContest is for articles relating to developing countries, to help combat systemic bias on Wikipedia (see also WP:Systemic bias) by encouraging editors to contribute to our coverage of ignored parts of the world. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 17:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

So, we just improve articles related to a developing country; is that it? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, through a process like DYK, GA, etc. then you submit it and you will get points for it. see Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring ... sawyer * he/they * talk 17:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Subjects related to countries that no longer exist, but whose successors are devloping

Am I right in assuming that these would go under the flag of their successor countries? For example, an article related to historical events/people in Rhodesia could count as an entry for Zimbabwe, South West Africa articles for Namibia (typically), ect?

But also, how do you guys want to deal with articles that may not cleanly be connected to one singular modern day country? For example, Drinka Pavlovic was a Yugoslavian resistance fighter, murdered at the Banjica concentration camp. She was born and raised in what we would consider Serbia today, but never identified as anything other than Yugoslavian (which itself was, I believe, considered a developing country at the time of its dissolution(605)). I'd probably feel comfortable putting Pavlovic's article under the Serbian flag for this contest. Would that be appropriate? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, i would definitely consider those to be within the competition's purview. regarding people like Pavlovic, i think she could be put under the Serbian flag, but i wouldn't see anything wrong with adding the Yugoslav flag next to it, for example. see below ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

adding on - i know i chatted with @AirshipJungleman29 at one point about his Mongol Empire projects, and said that would indeed count for Mongolia (or Afghanistan, etc.) since it is part of the history of currently-existing countries. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

For purposes of points tracking, please only use current countries' flags. If not it messes up with our ability to apply the points modifiers. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 20:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

ah good point - forgot about the bot haha ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sawyer777 Thanks for the response and confirmation, and thank you @TechnoSquirrel69 for clarifying on the main page. (Demonstrable signifigance, that's something I can deal with). I suppose it's for the best that we get all our edge case testing out of the way in the first year (hopefully of many). And silly bots, not being able to recognise countries that don't exist anymore. How dare it follow the instructions exactly as it was given. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Might be worth putting this somewhere noticeable if we haven't already. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I was about to ask this in reference to Korea. While North Korea is considered a least-developed country and South Korea a highly-developed country, there are a lot of articles about pre-division Korea when it was either under the Joseon dynasty or Japanese imperial occupation. How are we to treat these? --Grnrchst (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

coords chatted about this and we agreed that pre-1945 Korean history is definitely suitable, as long as there's some kind of demonstrable connection to the North. we want to avoid scope creep, especially since North Korean articles are eligible for the least-developed bonus. without any examples (and i don't know much about Korean history) it's hard to draw a specific line, but if you've got an article in mind post it here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hypothetically, if I were to do something with Mongol invasions of Korea, it would fall under high-developed (SK), developing (Mongolia), and least developed (NK). Probably best to devise a blanket rule, if you don't want to judge each time this comes up. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

speedy replier over here... we'll keep workshopping this. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 14:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Airship; the blanket rule for this contest is the point of association and significance mentioned at the guidelines, which I've just expanded a little per the questions raised at this discussion. Articles qualifying for submission under multiple countries should be submitted under an applicable "least developed" country, as that would give the submission the 1.5× points multiplier. The coordinators are happy to resolve any remaining questions about potentially ambiguous subjects. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm confused about "Articles associated with a "least developed" country will receive a 1.5× points multiplier." Is the multiplier wrong? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

The multiplier is correct. There are also multipliers for broad-topic articles about eligible countries; details are at § Bonus points. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That says that a "least-developed" country article will receive either a x2 or x2.5 multiplier, no? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned in the table, the higher multipliers only apply to "high-level" articles (and don't stack on other multipliers). Most articles associated with "least developed" countries won't fall into these categories and so will receive the usual 1.5×. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Q

I'm not familiar with Wikicups, so I'm asking this here: What would get something to "GA"? Aside from those six criteria that I'm aware of, like if something is meeting the 6 criteria but is short (Let's say... ~7000 bytes or around 500 words in prose?) will it be possible for it to pass? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 04:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

It would have to run through a WP:Good article nomination and be approved by an uninvolved editor. There is a perennial debate about short length, so it would really depend on the reason for the length, the page, and the reviewer. CMD (talk) 04:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Well to get a good idea of the GA process I just went and nominated one for experience. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Qualifying reviews list

In the "Review requests" box, should there be a second list below the requests, listing all other open reviews that would qualify for points? That way we don't demand every participant try to find qualifying reviews on their own, and it might help get more reviews done overall. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I took the initiative and created Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Eligible reviews. Move it, transclude it, ignore it, whatever you want, but I'm willing to keep it updated. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

sounds good! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 22:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Articles related to developing countries in a broader/general sense, rather than specific developing countries

1. Do such articles count, and 2. if so, how would these be treated/listed? E.g. if someone were to improve the developing country or fair trade or neglected tropical diseases or decolonization articles. All of them are strongly associated with/have a clear significance to developing and/or least developed countries, but it wouldn't make much sense to list any of them under a specific country. AddWittyNameHere 00:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd say they should qualify if they're specifically about developing countries. So fair trade and decolonization wouldn't really count under that metric, since those apply to most countries. And maybe they shouldn't be subject to multipliers, because the point of giving bonus points to least developed countries is because those ones need specific attention. On a similar point, I'd say that any topic relating to Africa, Latin America, Eastern Europe, Pacific Islands, or Asia in general should count for non-multiplied points as well. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, AddWittyNameHere! Yes, these articles absolutely do count. For subjects that could be submitted under multiple countries, you can take your pick as to which one — a "least developed" country if applicable, since that would give you the 1.5× points multiplier. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)